I'm just saying that the claim "you can get to legend with a %51 win rate" while often repeated, is disingenuous and misleading because it doesn't say anything about the effort involved. You need a strong deck and knowledge of the game to increase your win rate and reduce the effort. I just wish people would stop trotting out that response in this kind of discussion because it isn't helpful.
I'm just saying that the claim "you can get to legend with a %51 win rate" while often repeated, is disingenuous and misleading because it doesn't say anything about the effort involved. You need a strong deck and knowledge of the game to increase your win rate and reduce the effort. I just wish people would stop trotting out that response in this kind of discussion because it isn't helpful.
Gotcha, totally fair. I think that's utterly unhelpful as well, provides no insight into how to actually get there. It's like telling someone that bodybuilders have 5 percent body fat when they ask how to get into bodybuilding: you have the end result but have no idea how to achieve it. The only thing to really take away from the 51 percent winrate observation is that you don't need to be a winstreak god to hit legend. Using a meta deck, knowing your matchups and what to mulligan for, maintaining a positive attitude and mental sharpness, taking a smart approach towards progress, knowing when you're tilting and consequently when to quit, these are all important aspects of moving up the ladder. If one is unwilling to commit to taking these actions for whatever reason, they are less likely to be successful. Couldn't agree more tho, empty platitudes about statistics don't do anything for people trying to learn and advance up the ranks.
I got to legend last month for the first time ever, and I was playing around 5-10 games a day. Mind you, that was face hunter, where the games are fast. Sometimes I had win or loss streaks of up to 4 games.
One thing that helped me is that, once I hit rank two, I aimed to gain one star a day, in order to mitigate some of the grinding. If I won the first game of the day then I could sign off, my job was done for the day. If I lost, then I needed to win that game back, plus another, etc. I hit rank 2 mid month, so that gave me the rest of the month to go with that strategy, with some days to spare.
I'm glad I got it last month though, the current meta feels terrible.
One thing that helped me is that, once I hit rank two, I aimed to gain one star a day, in order to mitigate some of the grinding. If I won the first game of the day then I could sign off, my job was done for the day. If I lost, then I needed to win that game back, plus another, etc. I hit rank 2 mid month, so that gave me the rest of the month to go with that strategy, with some days to spare.
This is a really good idea or strategy to make the grind more bearable. Very often one wants too much at once and as a result you will get tilted. If the grind is really stressing you out, it is a good idea to do it step by step.
making legend is nothing but a grind..I've done it numerous times and when I look back at the time I wasted I don't even know what I was thinking. Play the same deck and don't switch, learn the matchups and when you mulligan, hope for the best. Once you get the card back there is no reason to ever do it again. There really is no difference from rank 5 and legend in terms of skill. The only difference is how much time you want to waste getting the last 25 stars.
Grind indeed. But as for me the first legend was not the ending point. The next stop was wild legend. Then hitting top 200 legend. Then hitting legend with every class i like (shaman, rogue, hunter, priest, paladin). And after all I ladder every season, because legend rank is still an achievement for me.
I wrote at another thread some advices for other players, when i hit legend for the first time, here they are:
1. Make your own deck for current meta or pick 1 from metastats with at least 57% win rate. 2. Do NOT switch your deck after reaching rank 3. 3. Be patient and analyze your mistakes after every game. 4. If you are on a losing streak (max 2 defeats), quit the game and return tomorrow or after some time. 5. Know your deck and count your cards (i don't use any trackers because i play via my phone). And the last but not the least. One thing that kept me going was: if you managed to get to rank 3 then you can do it to legend!
And i forgot about the final point: play a deck\class YOU LIKE. I tried numerous times to hit legend with classes i hate and ended being very angry and frustrated. GL!
It is very easy, just play t1 deck and grind till you make it
I confirm that.
It's a card game people, what skill or mentality are you talking about. all you need is time and patience
I can all but guarantee that neither of you have ever gotten legend. Or if you have it was once a long time ago and you've completely forgotten what it takes to get there. As for the card game comment, are you actually serious or are you just trolling? If no skill or mental fortitude was required to play HS there wouldn't be any pros and everyone would be rank 5 plus. Frankly it's a bit mind-boggling to me that I even have to make this argument
Playing aggro or tempo deck with 51%+ winratio on autopilot and grinding legend is not that hard mate. Not everyone plays to hit legend or have dust, free time, will to get legend cardback. Also "pros" and "skill based esports ready game"
Very easy , hearthstone has made the deck for us now ! You can see 200 miles away what cards fits to what. You dont even need to think when you make a deck anymore. Then you need luck , does your deck beat the other deck ? The good thing is that you dont need skills. Its just how the blizzard team has made the decks now.
Then you need time! If you have alot of time, you will get to legend sooner or later.
Even if you're a genius at the game, it takes a heavy grind... I never get past rank 5, because I just don't have the time to play more than 7 or 8 hours per week. I would literally need a 85% winrate to get there...
Does anyone have an educated guess as to how many hours it would take to get from 5 to legend with a 55-60%(ish) winrate deck? Obviously there's a formula, but that would be optimal. There's also the fact that I lose focus of my game in 5-10% of my games, because as I said, I'm busy...
Playing aggro or tempo deck with 51%+ winratio on autopilot and grinding legend is not that hard mate. Not everyone plays to hit legend or have dust, free time, will to get legend cardback. Also "pros" and "skill based esports ready game"
Man, How can anyone still play this game? Everygame it's like this, and now is even worse, 'cause the decks are worse and far far easy to play, no strategy, just rigged turns mana plays.
Playing aggro or tempo deck with 51%+ winratio on autopilot and grinding legend is not that hard mate. Not everyone plays to hit legend or have dust, free time, will to get legend cardback. Also "pros" and "skill based esports ready game"
My friend, you seem to be laboring under the delusion that skill and luck are mutually exclusive. Like if luck exists in a game, that necessarily means that skill can't. Here's a question for you: what separates people who make it to legend with a 65 percent WR from people who need several hundred games more games to get there with a 51 percent WR? Are you going to argue that a 14 percent separation in WR is attributable to sheer luck? And that the only reason pros are pros is bc they're somehow luckier than everyone else in the game? I hate to break it to you, but even if you played HS 24/7 it's highly unlikely you would ever get to anywhere near pro level. It's not a question of time, or luck, or dust. You (and 99.99 percent of players) are just not good enough at the game, and you probably never will be. The reason for this is simple: HS is a game that requires critical thinking and decision making (unless you're going to argue that which cards you choose to play and how you use them is a matter of luck? lol). These are "skills" that one must cultivate in order to rank up. Obviously some people are more capable of said skills than others, that's the skill element of the game. Of course there are RNG elements as well; that doesn't mean that skill does not exist. In fact, maximizing the benefit one receives from good luck and minimizing the disadvantages one receives from bad luck could also be quantified as skill. Grinding legend is "hard" for a variety of reasons, one of them being that it takes perseverance to keep pushing/not tilt, especially considering the RNG aspects of the game. It also requires some level of competence with regard to knowing how to actually play the game. No one gets there on autopilot, bc you have to actually think in order to win. You would know this if you had any experience whatsoever at high rank. My advice to you would be to stop thinking so simplistically: most things in reality are not black and white, and HS is no exception.
It is very easy, just play t1 deck and grind till you make it
I confirm that.
It's a card game people, what skill or mentality are you talking about. all you need is time and patience
I can all but guarantee that neither of you have ever gotten legend. Or if you have it was once a long time ago and you've completely forgotten what it takes to get there. As for the card game comment, are you actually serious or are you just trolling? If no skill or mental fortitude was required to play HS there wouldn't be any pros and everyone would be rank 5 plus. Frankly it's a bit mind-boggling to me that I even have to make this argument
I guarantee that hitting legend is greatest achievement of your life, if we account your long,repetitive posts + avatar, you are proud aren't you? <3
It is very easy, just play t1 deck and grind till you make it
I confirm that.
It's a card game people, what skill or mentality are you talking about. all you need is time and patience
I can all but guarantee that neither of you have ever gotten legend. Or if you have it was once a long time ago and you've completely forgotten what it takes to get there. As for the card game comment, are you actually serious or are you just trolling? If no skill or mental fortitude was required to play HS there wouldn't be any pros and everyone would be rank 5 plus. Frankly it's a bit mind-boggling to me that I even have to make this argument
I guarantee that hitting legend is greatest achievement of your life, if we account your long,repetitive posts + avatar, you are proud aren't you? <3
That pic is of the first time I got legend, which I am admittedly proud of. I've been higher, but the first time I got it was the most special to me. Do you disagree with what I'm saying, or are you just salty bc you don't like what I have to say / you're mad bc you suck and can't get past rank 10? lol
It is very easy, just play t1 deck and grind till you make it
I confirm that.
It's a card game people, what skill or mentality are you talking about. all you need is time and patience
I can all but guarantee that neither of you have ever gotten legend. Or if you have it was once a long time ago and you've completely forgotten what it takes to get there. As for the card game comment, are you actually serious or are you just trolling? If no skill or mental fortitude was required to play HS there wouldn't be any pros and everyone would be rank 5 plus. Frankly it's a bit mind-boggling to me that I even have to make this argument
I guarantee that hitting legend is greatest achievement of your life, if we account your long,repetitive posts + avatar, you are proud aren't you? <3
@elnur0000, what are you proud of? This guy achieved something, so let everyone know what you've done? Otherwise STFU!!!
It is very easy, just play t1 deck and grind till you make it
I confirm that.
It's a card game people, what skill or mentality are you talking about. all you need is time and patience
I can all but guarantee that neither of you have ever gotten legend. Or if you have it was once a long time ago and you've completely forgotten what it takes to get there. As for the card game comment, are you actually serious or are you just trolling? If no skill or mental fortitude was required to play HS there wouldn't be any pros and everyone would be rank 5 plus. Frankly it's a bit mind-boggling to me that I even have to make this argument
I guarantee that hitting legend is greatest achievement of your life, if we account your long,repetitive posts + avatar, you are proud aren't you? <3
@elnur0000, what are you proud of? This guy achieved something, so let everyone know what you've done? Otherwise STFU!!!
It is very easy, just play t1 deck and grind till you make it
I confirm that.
It's a card game people, what skill or mentality are you talking about. all you need is time and patience
I can all but guarantee that neither of you have ever gotten legend. Or if you have it was once a long time ago and you've completely forgotten what it takes to get there. As for the card game comment, are you actually serious or are you just trolling? If no skill or mental fortitude was required to play HS there wouldn't be any pros and everyone would be rank 5 plus. Frankly it's a bit mind-boggling to me that I even have to make this argument
I guarantee that hitting legend is greatest achievement of your life, if we account your long,repetitive posts + avatar, you are proud aren't you? <3
That pic is of the first time I got legend, which I am admittedly proud of. I've been higher, but the first time I got it was the most special to me. Do you disagree with what I'm saying, or are you just salty bc you don't like what I have to say / you're mad bc you suck and can't get past rank 10? lol
you don't have to be chosen one to hit legend dude, it's not that hard to get past through rank 10, neither rank 1. I have no idea why are you that delusional. you paint it as very hard thing so it gives an excuse to your wasted time :) my suggestion would be to get a life, and asap
The people suggesting to just pick a T1 deck and grind and be lucky are just delusional and probably never hit Legend or even reached Rank 5.
Like someone said already, luck and skill aren't mutually exclusive.
You can see the difference in how people know the game, their deck or matchups when you see high ranked players with say, Galakrond Rogue, easily cruise through Ress Priest over a lot of games, yet a rank 15-10 player playing the same deck with the same exact 40 cards constantly crying on forums and streams how they can't beat Ress Priest with it, aand to nerf it, of course.
Also, this affects how long (and easily) you can reach Legend. Someone with a 58%-60% winrate will do it with dozens or possibly well over a hundred games less than someone who is barely holding on 51%.
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I'm just saying that the claim "you can get to legend with a %51 win rate" while often repeated, is disingenuous and misleading because it doesn't say anything about the effort involved. You need a strong deck and knowledge of the game to increase your win rate and reduce the effort. I just wish people would stop trotting out that response in this kind of discussion because it isn't helpful.
Gotcha, totally fair. I think that's utterly unhelpful as well, provides no insight into how to actually get there. It's like telling someone that bodybuilders have 5 percent body fat when they ask how to get into bodybuilding: you have the end result but have no idea how to achieve it. The only thing to really take away from the 51 percent winrate observation is that you don't need to be a winstreak god to hit legend. Using a meta deck, knowing your matchups and what to mulligan for, maintaining a positive attitude and mental sharpness, taking a smart approach towards progress, knowing when you're tilting and consequently when to quit, these are all important aspects of moving up the ladder. If one is unwilling to commit to taking these actions for whatever reason, they are less likely to be successful. Couldn't agree more tho, empty platitudes about statistics don't do anything for people trying to learn and advance up the ranks.
I got to legend last month for the first time ever, and I was playing around 5-10 games a day. Mind you, that was face hunter, where the games are fast. Sometimes I had win or loss streaks of up to 4 games.
One thing that helped me is that, once I hit rank two, I aimed to gain one star a day, in order to mitigate some of the grinding. If I won the first game of the day then I could sign off, my job was done for the day. If I lost, then I needed to win that game back, plus another, etc. I hit rank 2 mid month, so that gave me the rest of the month to go with that strategy, with some days to spare.
I'm glad I got it last month though, the current meta feels terrible.
This is a really good idea or strategy to make the grind more bearable. Very often one wants too much at once and as a result you will get tilted. If the grind is really stressing you out, it is a good idea to do it step by step.
It is very easy, just play t1 deck and grind till you make it
I confirm that.
It's a card game people, what skill or mentality are you talking about. all you need is time and patience
Grind indeed. But as for me the first legend was not the ending point. The next stop was wild legend. Then hitting top 200 legend. Then hitting legend with every class i like (shaman, rogue, hunter, priest, paladin). And after all I ladder every season, because legend rank is still an achievement for me.
I wrote at another thread some advices for other players, when i hit legend for the first time, here they are:
1. Make your own deck for current meta or pick 1 from metastats with at least 57% win rate.
2. Do NOT switch your deck after reaching rank 3.
3. Be patient and analyze your mistakes after every game.
4. If you are on a losing streak (max 2 defeats), quit the game and return tomorrow or after some time.
5. Know your deck and count your cards (i don't use any trackers because i play via my phone).
And the last but not the least. One thing that kept me going was: if you managed to get to rank 3 then you can do it to legend!
And i forgot about the final point: play a deck\class YOU LIKE. I tried numerous times to hit legend with classes i hate and ended being very angry and frustrated. GL!
I can all but guarantee that neither of you have ever gotten legend. Or if you have it was once a long time ago and you've completely forgotten what it takes to get there. As for the card game comment, are you actually serious or are you just trolling? If no skill or mental fortitude was required to play HS there wouldn't be any pros and everyone would be rank 5 plus. Frankly it's a bit mind-boggling to me that I even have to make this argument
@Sevasmios, most likely troll comments in all honesty. Welcome to Hearthpwn :)
Playing aggro or tempo deck with 51%+ winratio on autopilot and grinding legend is not that hard mate. Not everyone plays to hit legend or have dust, free time, will to get legend cardback. Also "pros" and "skill based esports ready game"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E0istFgefM
Very easy , hearthstone has made the deck for us now ! You can see 200 miles away what cards fits to what. You dont even need to think when you make a deck anymore. Then you need luck , does your deck beat the other deck ? The good thing is that you dont need skills. Its just how the blizzard team has made the decks now.
Then you need time! If you have alot of time, you will get to legend sooner or later.
Even if you're a genius at the game, it takes a heavy grind... I never get past rank 5, because I just don't have the time to play more than 7 or 8 hours per week. I would literally need a 85% winrate to get there...
Does anyone have an educated guess as to how many hours it would take to get from 5 to legend with a 55-60%(ish) winrate deck? Obviously there's a formula, but that would be optimal. There's also the fact that I lose focus of my game in 5-10% of my games, because as I said, I'm busy...
Man, How can anyone still play this game? Everygame it's like this, and now is even worse, 'cause the decks are worse and far far easy to play, no strategy, just rigged turns mana plays.
My friend, you seem to be laboring under the delusion that skill and luck are mutually exclusive. Like if luck exists in a game, that necessarily means that skill can't. Here's a question for you: what separates people who make it to legend with a 65 percent WR from people who need several hundred games more games to get there with a 51 percent WR? Are you going to argue that a 14 percent separation in WR is attributable to sheer luck? And that the only reason pros are pros is bc they're somehow luckier than everyone else in the game? I hate to break it to you, but even if you played HS 24/7 it's highly unlikely you would ever get to anywhere near pro level. It's not a question of time, or luck, or dust. You (and 99.99 percent of players) are just not good enough at the game, and you probably never will be. The reason for this is simple: HS is a game that requires critical thinking and decision making (unless you're going to argue that which cards you choose to play and how you use them is a matter of luck? lol). These are "skills" that one must cultivate in order to rank up. Obviously some people are more capable of said skills than others, that's the skill element of the game. Of course there are RNG elements as well; that doesn't mean that skill does not exist. In fact, maximizing the benefit one receives from good luck and minimizing the disadvantages one receives from bad luck could also be quantified as skill. Grinding legend is "hard" for a variety of reasons, one of them being that it takes perseverance to keep pushing/not tilt, especially considering the RNG aspects of the game. It also requires some level of competence with regard to knowing how to actually play the game. No one gets there on autopilot, bc you have to actually think in order to win. You would know this if you had any experience whatsoever at high rank. My advice to you would be to stop thinking so simplistically: most things in reality are not black and white, and HS is no exception.
It's not that hard with a good coach, this is my Twitter page is someone it's interested.
https://twitter.com/IamNovaChrono
I guarantee that hitting legend is greatest achievement of your life, if we account your long,repetitive posts + avatar, you are proud aren't you? <3
That pic is of the first time I got legend, which I am admittedly proud of. I've been higher, but the first time I got it was the most special to me. Do you disagree with what I'm saying, or are you just salty bc you don't like what I have to say / you're mad bc you suck and can't get past rank 10? lol
@elnur0000, what are you proud of? This guy achieved something, so let everyone know what you've done? Otherwise STFU!!!
I wasn't talking to you kiddo, calm down :)
you don't have to be chosen one to hit legend dude, it's not that hard to get past through rank 10, neither rank 1. I have no idea why are you that delusional. you paint it as very hard thing so it gives an excuse to your wasted time :) my suggestion would be to get a life, and asap
The people suggesting to just pick a T1 deck and grind and be lucky are just delusional and probably never hit Legend or even reached Rank 5.
Like someone said already, luck and skill aren't mutually exclusive.
You can see the difference in how people know the game, their deck or matchups when you see high ranked players with say, Galakrond Rogue, easily cruise through Ress Priest over a lot of games, yet a rank 15-10 player playing the same deck with the same exact 40 cards constantly crying on forums and streams how they can't beat Ress Priest with it, aand to nerf it, of course.
Also, this affects how long (and easily) you can reach Legend. Someone with a 58%-60% winrate will do it with dozens or possibly well over a hundred games less than someone who is barely holding on 51%.