I win vs Quest priest 9 times out of 10 with highlander Rogue. And I'm fine with that. Not because I win, but because the matches are epic, hell of fun.
One could argue that going every time in fatigue and having 30 minutes matches is boring, but now that is holiday period and I have more time to play than when I work, I enjoy a lot this kind of epic fights.,
There is no testament to the complaining on hearthpwn greater than calling a deck like quest priest overpowered. What rank are you even? It's not even that common of a deck and ABSOLUTELY has counters even without tech-ing against it.
As cliche as this is, it is absolutely a L2P scenario.
It would seem like nobody has an answer for any of my arguments which honestly speaks in my favor.
To the dude quoting winrates. I did actually see that but let me ask did you personally beat priest with face hunter? The winrate you quote are from rank 25 to legend and I have never beaten a quest priest with face hunter and another high rank friend of mine neither.
Thus maybe it stands to reason that a good priest has an even more dominant match up vs face hunter.
Don’t question my math bro, I have both studied and taught but switched to economics. Might be rusty but seriously doubt one with your language is much more capable than reading that percentage. Your are probably still saying stuff like “51% is a 5% higher winrate than 46 %” which is completely wrong.
To the guy speaking of Warrior tears? Having no argument means you autolost the debate bro 😉 that is what people say rather than listen to argumentation and respond properly. I hold no love for warrior myself, only highlander hunter which is nowhere in high rank despite the tier 1 status according to hsreplay
Priest has exactly two bad match-ups: Zoolock and Singleton Mage, so those three decks are now the majority of opponents you'll face on ladder. This is, of course, not healthy. Even the Rogue that so many people were worried about is barely a blip on the radar.
On the bright side, there are now 3 decks that are worth playing, as opposed to just the one deck when Galaktic Shaman was the oppressive nightmare it used to be.
So, I guess that's a step in the right direction. :-) In any case, there will always be more decks appear that beat or counter the current meta. I've had great success against Quest Priest with my current 3 main decks: Zoolock (as you mentioned) Dragon Hunter Highlander Dragon Quest Shaman (Yes, it's a thing and OMG is it a great deck! :-D )
It would seem like nobody has an answer for any of my arguments which honestly speaks in my favor.
To the dude quoting winrates. I did actually see that but let me ask did you personally beat priest with face hunter? The winrate you quote are from rank 25 to legend and I have never beaten a quest priest with face hunter and another high rank friend of mine neither.
Thus maybe it stands to reason that a good priest has an even more dominant match up vs face hunter.
Don’t question my math bro, I have both studied and taught but switched to economics. Might be rusty but seriously doubt one with your language is much more capable than reading that percentage. Your are probably still saying stuff like “51% is a 5% higher winrate than 46 %” which is completely wrong.
To the guy speaking of Warrior tears? Having no argument means you autolost the debate bro 😉 that is what people say rather than listen to argumentation and respond properly. I hold no love for warrior myself, only highlander hunter which is nowhere in high rank despite the tier 1 status according to hsreplay
Facepalm. After this contribution i think there is no more reason to try telling you anything.
Eventually comes down to matter of preference guys. Some of us would like the game to be played more on board, some prefer OTK stuff and some more just don't want to get beyond turn 4 or 5
In many years playing this game we have seen lots of so called "toxic" decks that people thought were still fun!
People loved to play Control warriors mirror not long time ago, and I used to love that in 2015 when matches weren't going up to triple digit health. Also in that time Paladin midrange was good enough to counter CW and there was that rock paper scissor thingy as well with face hunter completing the triangle.
Mech hunter and mech mage used to curve out minions in an overwhelming way to win in few turns, secret paladin was having the best mana curve everytime with Loatheb Challenger Dr Boom Ragnaross to end everyone
Then we can mention Freeze Mage basically the old Shirvalla pala! You don't play board except for card draw and removal, you basically play solitaire = ez win!
Patron warrior similar concept but you need to consider taunts for your combo and all the duplicates for all the effects Combo druid FON Roar where being below 22 hp turn 8 could have meant you were dead
Reno lock the first single copy deck, then Razakus priest
Jade druid, aggro shaman, midrange shaman, miracle rogue .... the list goes
I am pretty sure among all of us on this thread people will be divided to what was Toxic and what was fun! Same apply today to the current meta, which by the way is one of the most varied in such a long time.
Current meta as some mentioned: Galakrond Shaman is slower and definitely not the power house it used to be. Rogue is the most popular (in two or 3 version highlander or apothecary). This makes pala shirvalla less represented due to Flick, and of course brings the rise of face hunter and Galakrond warrior to counter rogue. Druids lags behind with some mix of aggro and embiggen/dragon that doesn't seem to cut it. And priest can rely only on combo (which with all the silence and polimorph effect is not feeling great) and resurrect that can at least counter most slow and aggro decks.
My advice: pick one deck you enjoy and don't switch too much or you will never learn how to play different match ups. If you find yourself not fitting the meta, you might be playing a low win rate deck, or you might be tilted and not beeing efficient in your plays ( Trust me I say this because I still need to improve a lot in managing my tilt) :)
The amazement is well deserved. Priest a problem? By default that cannot be as the class is simply not a fanboys class. Fanboys by default the target audience demand only two kind of win conditions: spam-buff- go face and OTK from hand in all its variances. These are, through expansions, the main -target audience win conditions, widely provided by designers.
Quest priest in all its forms has neither. So priest can't be a problem. It is also a too slow and too difficult a class for the target audience (requires kill to handle, a fanboys nightmare).
Yes, we had combo priest, but that was a concession to the fanboy.
In sum, Priest is simply not a class for a mindless gameplay. Therefore it cannot be oppressive.
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Oh i also put albatross just because i hate Zephyr with all myself.... It just works...
...and I thank you for the win for my Quest Priest deck.
Was laughing my ass off yesterday when opponent had albatross in his/her quest priest deck. It only makes your deck worse. I appreciate if I have some more cards in my deck when playing against other quest priest, don't care if they are 1 mana 1/1 which you can easily buff with your hero power. Did not even bother to silence it, as there are far more important use for it. Also by running 2 albatrosses you will make your rez pool bad and you have to give up 2 much more useful cards in your deck.
I know this, I have tested it (albatross) earlier also myself and realized that it is actually quite bad in that deck.
First, let's get this out of the way: I'm not salty. I'm just as capable of playing Priest and farming wins as the next guy. I'm only mentioning this in solidarity with the poor streamers and everyone else who is growing weary of this increasingly lopsided meta. Everything was cool for a while after the Shaman nerfs, but the more people see Priest winning, the more people play Priest, and once again we've reached a critical mass where only three decks really matter.
This isn't just a matter of "There's always going to be a best deck." It's fine if a deck has a high win rate, but it's not fine if one deck beats all comers from across the spectrum. Right now we see Quest Priest easily beating aggro, midrange and control decks. That's a sure sign that everything is completely out of whack.
Priest has exactly two bad match-ups: Zoolock and Singleton Mage, so those three decks are now the majority of opponents you'll face on ladder. This is, of course, not healthy. Even the Rogue that so many people were worried about is barely a blip on the radar.
As I said, I'll roll with it for as long as I have to, but pushing one bad meta after another does not make Blizzard look terribly competent.
Shaman is good against Priest, one hex can ruin their whole gameplan.
I love playing against Quest Priest with my Galakrond Shaman with 2x Plague of Murlocs. Messes up their Rez Pool so much. It's fun when they Mass Resurrect 3x Murlocs and ragequit.
I love playing against Quest Priest with my Galakrond Shaman with 2x Plague of Murlocs. Messes up their Rez Pool so much. It's fun when they Mass Resurrect 3x Murlocs and ragequit.
Fortunately, nobody plays Gala Shaman in these days and yet with Plague of Murlocs, however everyone is playing Hunter, Warrior, Zoolock or Mech Paladin :-)
Nope, it's a terrible idea! One of QP's biggest weaknesses is getting to fatigue too quickly and dying to it. Albatross helps the QP by delaying that from happening. Not to mention the fact that they don't ever have to actually play them, so it doesn't screw up their Rez-pool.
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Agreed nerf shamans.
I win vs Quest priest 9 times out of 10 with highlander Rogue. And I'm fine with that. Not because I win, but because the matches are epic, hell of fun.
One could argue that going every time in fatigue and having 30 minutes matches is boring, but now that is holiday period and I have more time to play than when I work, I enjoy a lot this kind of epic fights.,
ahahah warrior tears.
Almost oneshotting people after galakrond with a massive amount of 1-3 mana drops and greedy leerooy then complain about a deck with mostly 5-9 drops.
Only damage after damage, thanks for not using Supercollider anymore!
You guys would SHIT ON priest with a dragon deck, just sayin, gitgud.
There is no testament to the complaining on hearthpwn greater than calling a deck like quest priest overpowered. What rank are you even? It's not even that common of a deck and ABSOLUTELY has counters even without tech-ing against it.
As cliche as this is, it is absolutely a L2P scenario.
They run 2 breaths so there goes that.
It would seem like nobody has an answer for any of my arguments which honestly speaks in my favor.
To the dude quoting winrates. I did actually see that but let me ask did you personally beat priest with face hunter? The winrate you quote are from rank 25 to legend and I have never beaten a quest priest with face hunter and another high rank friend of mine neither.
Thus maybe it stands to reason that a good priest has an even more dominant match up vs face hunter.
Don’t question my math bro, I have both studied and taught but switched to economics. Might be rusty but seriously doubt one with your language is much more capable than reading that percentage. Your are probably still saying stuff like “51% is a 5% higher winrate than 46 %” which is completely wrong.
To the guy speaking of Warrior tears? Having no argument means you autolost the debate bro 😉 that is what people say rather than listen to argumentation and respond properly. I hold no love for warrior myself, only highlander hunter which is nowhere in high rank despite the tier 1 status according to hsreplay
Doesn't Murloc Shaman and/or Overload Shaman beat Quest Res Priest?
On the bright side, there are now 3 decks that are worth playing, as opposed to just the one deck when Galaktic Shaman was the oppressive nightmare it used to be.
So, I guess that's a step in the right direction. :-)
In any case, there will always be more decks appear that beat or counter the current meta. I've had great success against Quest Priest with my current 3 main decks:
Zoolock (as you mentioned)
Dragon Hunter
Highlander Dragon Quest Shaman (Yes, it's a thing and OMG is it a great deck! :-D )
Well, only bad matchup for my Quest Priest is Highlander Rogue and its solved by the addition of the Albatrosses ;-) ty Thijs
Dranzerr#2178
Facepalm. After this contribution i think there is no more reason to try telling you anything.
Eventually comes down to matter of preference guys. Some of us would like the game to be played more on board, some prefer OTK stuff and some more just don't want to get beyond turn 4 or 5
In many years playing this game we have seen lots of so called "toxic" decks that people thought were still fun!
People loved to play Control warriors mirror not long time ago, and I used to love that in 2015 when matches weren't going up to triple digit health. Also in that time Paladin midrange was good enough to counter CW and there was that rock paper scissor thingy as well with face hunter completing the triangle.
Mech hunter and mech mage used to curve out minions in an overwhelming way to win in few turns, secret paladin was having the best mana curve everytime with Loatheb Challenger Dr Boom Ragnaross to end everyone
Then we can mention Freeze Mage basically the old Shirvalla pala! You don't play board except for card draw and removal, you basically play solitaire = ez win!
Patron warrior similar concept but you need to consider taunts for your combo and all the duplicates for all the effects
Combo druid FON Roar where being below 22 hp turn 8 could have meant you were dead
Reno lock the first single copy deck, then Razakus priest
Jade druid, aggro shaman, midrange shaman, miracle rogue .... the list goes
I am pretty sure among all of us on this thread people will be divided to what was Toxic and what was fun!
Same apply today to the current meta, which by the way is one of the most varied in such a long time.
Current meta as some mentioned: Galakrond Shaman is slower and definitely not the power house it used to be.
Rogue is the most popular (in two or 3 version highlander or apothecary). This makes pala shirvalla less represented due to Flick, and of course brings the rise of face hunter and Galakrond warrior to counter rogue. Druids lags behind with some mix of aggro and embiggen/dragon that doesn't seem to cut it. And priest can rely only on combo (which with all the silence and polimorph effect is not feeling great) and resurrect that can at least counter most slow and aggro decks.
My advice: pick one deck you enjoy and don't switch too much or you will never learn how to play different match ups. If you find yourself not fitting the meta, you might be playing a low win rate deck, or you might be tilted and not beeing efficient in your plays ( Trust me I say this because I still need to improve a lot in managing my tilt) :)
Hope this can be helpful, and happy new year
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The amazement is well deserved. Priest a problem? By default that cannot be as the class is simply not a fanboys class. Fanboys by default the target audience demand only two kind of win conditions: spam-buff- go face and OTK from hand in all its variances. These are, through expansions, the main -target audience win conditions, widely provided by designers.
Quest priest in all its forms has neither. So priest can't be a problem. It is also a too slow and too difficult a class for the target audience (requires kill to handle, a fanboys nightmare).
Yes, we had combo priest, but that was a concession to the fanboy.
In sum, Priest is simply not a class for a mindless gameplay. Therefore it cannot be oppressive.
We make our world significant through the courage of our questions and the depth of our answers.
Did you see the video of Kibler coming up against Albatross Priest? :-D
It was quite funny! :-P
Yeah pretty fun :-D
Dranzerr#2178
...and I thank you for the win for my Quest Priest deck.
Was laughing my ass off yesterday when opponent had albatross in his/her quest priest deck. It only makes your deck worse. I appreciate if I have some more cards in my deck when playing against other quest priest, don't care if they are 1 mana 1/1 which you can easily buff with your hero power. Did not even bother to silence it, as there are far more important use for it. Also by running 2 albatrosses you will make your rez pool bad and you have to give up 2 much more useful cards in your deck.
I know this, I have tested it (albatross) earlier also myself and realized that it is actually quite bad in that deck.
Shaman is good against Priest, one hex can ruin their whole gameplan.
Is Bad Luck Albatross good against quest priest?
I love playing against Quest Priest with my Galakrond Shaman with 2x Plague of Murlocs. Messes up their Rez Pool so much. It's fun when they Mass Resurrect 3x Murlocs and ragequit.
Fortunately, nobody plays Gala Shaman in these days and yet with Plague of Murlocs, however everyone is playing Hunter, Warrior, Zoolock or Mech Paladin :-)
Dranzerr#2178
Nope, it's a terrible idea! One of QP's biggest weaknesses is getting to fatigue too quickly and dying to it.
Albatross helps the QP by delaying that from happening.
Not to mention the fact that they don't ever have to actually play them, so it doesn't screw up their Rez-pool.