If you read the article though, it is not just "free hk". Anything pro China also gets deleted. The article title is misleading.
If Blizzard removes both pro hk and pro China comments, that's fine.
Its not fine. There is something called moral courage. Peaceful civilians get harmed and harassed and the future of the freedom of over 7 million humans is at risk. I know many HS players are pretty young and did not get proper history education. By sheer coincidence history itself prepared perfect examples already. Lets say its the year 1936. Lets just assume, there was live streaming with chat already. A big event gets live streamed, the Summer Olympics in Berlin. Jews get harassed already. Many of them got imprisoned, expropriated, beaten up and even killed. Many fled the country. Sure no example is like another, they had no chance to demonstrate and fight for their rights. But just lets continue this gedankenexperiment. Now imagine the american host of that stream is banning people, because they point out the situation of the jews and their fear of a big war, because they would lose the right to advertise coca cola or will lose the streaming rights. Then someone enters the conversation and claims: "But hey, they are also banning streamers who made pro Hitler comments, so thats ok i think." Another comments: "There are rules. Yes, yes. Its a shame, they get detained into concentration camps, but rules are rules. They deserve the ban." Or this pure fictional comment: "Why are YOUR liberties are more important than MINE to watch the stream without politics crap? so called liberals and democrats are sometimes way worse than any other nazi..." Life is strange, eh?
Every official twitch channel is like this. The mods on there are power trippers. That being said, it's more on Blizzard if they are specifically targeting viewers for boycott-related offences.
I just want to read some usual stuff such as: "Pog champ, smorc, lol casters, easy lethal, etc..." instead i only see this political hk spam. I mean liberties and all that... But annoys me. I feel like MY rights as a twitch viewer of tournaments are thrashed, so why should it be tolerated?
Even if your rights were scammed by someone, it's a BAD IDEA to spoil other's people life who haven't done anything to you and might even be loyal to your problem, untill you start doing this annoying spammy stuff.
Your rights are thrashed because of the free speech of others? Whatever you say, Hitler.
These are dark days for liberty.
It is a little bit over the top to compare someone on a forum with Hitler don't you think?
You don't have to go back to 1936, dude. You can go back to 1949, and keep going. Because, unlike the Nazis, the Chinese Communist Party still exists today. In fact, they happen to be the crux of the issue here. You don't have to think about Jews or Berlin or America. Think about the Chinese who protested against the rise of a one party state, standing in Tianamen Square. One man, against a line of tanks.
Think about all the sacred temples that were burned to the ground. Think about the children who were educated by the state to turn in their parents if they spoke in favor of capitalism or against the Party. Think of the genuine problem that is happening, that the Chinese mainland has tried to push Hong Kong into passing legislation that would allow the mainland to extradite criminals for prosecution there.
Taiwan resists Chinese authority. So does Tibet. And now, so does Hong Kong. No one who is not already part of China wants to be part of China, because everyone on the outside can see how absolutely despicable they are. But hey, at least Winnie the Pooh won't stick around forever, right? Term limits and all that. Oh, no! Wait, that's right! He has declared himself "president for life"! Well, shit. Guess there's nothing anyone can do about it.
No. This thread and others like it are the perfect example why non gaming discussions should be banned from gaming. Keep politics on facebook, twitter, go do an interview at a newspaper, go be an activist and protest on the streets but don't turn a gaming competition, a football match, a singing contest, etc. into a political debate.
This happens in churches too. There are articles about it. So the priests are in the Nazi party now if they don't allow the person to start a debate about politics in their church?
FIFA bans politics from their press conferences. Players were fined for political messages after football matches. Man, there's a lot of Hitlers in the world today.
And now we are a week later. Is Hong Kong free? Did twitch chat save Hong Kong? Of course not. Is Blizzard suppose to do something to free Hong Kong? Of course not. Are we talking about Hong Kong and what is happening there and about what should be done to save it? Of course not.
We are running in circles having philosophical debates about freedom of speech and Hitler on gaming forums, porn forums, movie forums, fashion forums because guess what people don't care and you're not going to make them care when they are disconnected from the real world and are trying to relax at a movie or at a shopping mall or at a gaming competition.
When I said it is fine, I meant it is fine if Blizzard bans comments from both sides. I did not mean it is fine with what's happening with hk right now.
Seriously what did you guys expect Blizzard to do? Ban one side alone is obviously wrong. Do nothing and people will point fingers that they ate their own words when they claimed political neutral stand. Ban both sides and still people have things to complain.
We are running in circles having philosophical debates about freedom of speech and Hitler on gaming forums, porn forums, movie forums, fashion forums because guess what people don't care and you're not going to make them care when they are disconnected from the real world and are trying to relax at a movie or at a shopping mall or at a gaming competition.
Seriously? Do you really think most people don't care and are disconnected from the real world? What??? You're totally missing the point, dude. Most people out there have no real power, my friend, that's the truth. We are not going to travel to Hong Kong to fight others' battles when our chances of winning are non-existant, we are not martyrs. Leave that to those who have the power to do it. If you think otherwise and believe there is some value in commiting suicide for nothing, it's your problem, not ours.
Blizzard doesn’t understand Twitch. LoL. Twitch chaters can’t find HK or probably China on a map. They just wanna meme they don’t actually give a fuck. If you let them burn themselves in this meme. Within a week they will spam a new meme anyway.
The whole things just stupid to me. If you spam you should get banned I don't care what the topic is. Politics are always awful anyways. Divides good people and everyone devolves into morons.
The whole things just stupid to me. If you spam you should get banned I don't care what the topic is. Politics are always awful anyways. Divides good people and everyone devolves into morons.
People weren't banned for spamming. One single comment was enough.
In contrast, no one was banned for Hong Kong messages during a recent Magic tournament.
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I was always on the side of Hong Kong and certainly on the side of people who approve of being able to speak of the Hong Kong situation openly. I just question the sincerity of Hoogout and other posters who pretend as if another poster is garbage if he doesn't rev up to the same level of white-hot molten outrage as whoever is yelling the loudest right now.
@ Sobrano
Well said all around.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
This happens in churches too. There are articles about it. So the priests are in the Nazi party now if they don't allow the person to start a debate about politics in their church?
If a church in the U.S. has tax-exempt status, it is actually illegal for them to take a political position. That makes it extremely problematic when members start discussing politics, for obvious reasons. Hence the ban, which makes sense.
FIFA reprimanding or banning players is analogous to Blizzard's punishment of Blitzchung, which was fine once they eased off a bit.
Banning Twitch viewers over chat messages is nothing like either of those. And again, Magic viewers and players were not punished for the exact same behavior, and the tournament did not suffer in any way.
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
I was always on the side of Hong Kong and certainly on the side of people who approve of being able to speak of the Hong Kong situation openly. I just question the sincerity of Hoogout and other posters who pretend as if another poster is garbage if he doesn't rev up to the same level of white-hot molten outrage as whoever is yelling the loudest right now.
"I was always on the side of Hong Kong and certainly on the side of people who approve of being able to speak of the Hong Kong situation openly."
Shadowrisen, Shadowrisen, Shadowrisen... For someone who labeled the conflict in Hong Kong as "not a big deal", just because it didn't cause any direct impact on his life, and also claimed there is a long list of problems in the world to address before it (just to take away importance from the subject), that's really a very strange statement to make.
I'm pretty sure the word "neutral" would be much more appropriate in this case. ;)
I just want to read some usual stuff such as: "Pog champ, smorc, lol casters, easy lethal, etc..." instead i only see this political hk spam. I mean liberties and all that... But annoys me. I feel like MY rights as a twitch viewer of tournaments are thrashed, so why should it be tolerated?
Even if your rights were scammed by someone, it's a BAD IDEA to spoil other's people life who haven't done anything to you and might even be loyal to your problem, untill you start doing this annoying spammy stuff.
Your rights are thrashed because of the free speech of others? Whatever you say, Hitler.
These are dark days for liberty.
Why are YOUR liberties are more important than MINE to watch the stream without politics crap? so called liberals and democrats are sometimes way worse than any other nazi...
It's not that someone else's liberty takes precedence over yours in any intrinsic fashion. More that their fight is for freedom and lives of their people, yours is to not be minorly inconvenienced in your usual patterns of entertainment consumption, complaining about it in that sense makes you look petty
I was always on the side of Hong Kong and certainly on the side of people who approve of being able to speak of the Hong Kong situation openly. I just question the sincerity of Hoogout and other posters who pretend as if another poster is garbage if he doesn't rev up to the same level of white-hot molten outrage as whoever is yelling the loudest right now.
"I was always on the side of Hong Kong and certainly on the side of people who approve of being able to speak of the Hong Kong situation openly."
Shadowrisen, Shadowrisen, Shadowrisen... For someone who labeled the conflict in Hong Kong as "not a big deal", just because it didn't cause any direct impact on his life, and also claimed there is a long list of problems in the world to address before it (just to take away importance from the subject), that's really a very strange statement to make.
I'm pretty sure the word "neutral" would be much more appropriate in this case. ;)
And I'm telling you the word Neutral doesn't describe me in the least. the phrase "not a big deal" was used very clearly and very limitedly to the discussion regarding whether or not any of this stuff impacts the daily lives of the streamers in question. I believe we were specifically talking about Kripp and his audience.
It is NOT heartless or uncaring to acknowledge the simple fact that most of that group of people have more immediate claims on their attention and even their caring than a conflict in another part of the world AND that if they were inclined to be immediately concerned with a world tragedy, the Hong Kong situation would be nowhere near the first one on the list to be actively concerned about.
All of that can be true while at the same time, I can care about the people of Hong Kong. A lot of other things can be true at the same time, as well.
1. I'm more concerned with paying my rent, even though no one is going to die if I miss a payment. That's not selfish; that's the way it SHOULD be. I have a duty of care to myself and my wife. I have no duty to a protestor in Hong Kong. Furthermore, I have no foreseeably effective way of affecting the situation in HK, whereas I am in a great spot to affect the rent payment. My whole original post stemmed from the absurdity of pretending that we should be jumping on the bandwagon of the Hong Kong situation when we all probably are missing more pressing concerns in our lives.
2. One day, I might have everything in my immediate family life taken care of to such an extent that I might be able to focus my life on something grander than the daily struggle of chores and obligations. In other words, maybe I'll have financial obligations taken care of to the point where I could responsibly find some cause like the Hong Kong situation to actually try and affect on a larger scale. If that day ever comes, there is NO WAY IN HELL THAT HONG KONG WOULD BE THE CHOICE.
After your last post, I actually took a moment or two and listed in my head all of the clearly worse humanitarian situations of which I knew that were currently happening around the world. I could think of SEVEN different areas of the world that were in far worse shape and/or far more easily fixed at the benefit of many more lives than the HK situation. Since I don't have any family in HK or any personal attachment that would lead me away from the pure utilitarian calculation, I'm certainly not going to pick the HK situation as the spot to devote myself.
Now, I seriously doubt I'm the only one for which all of this is true. I may be the only one willing to take the time to type it all out, but I suspect this is a somewhat universal experience of an American worker relative to the Hong Kong protests. The reason I waded into this argument in the first place was that some members of the community sought to shame anyone who thought this way.
How dare you suggest other problems might take precedent? How dare you not be angry, and indulge in raging against Blizzard as a result?
That last question is most relevant to the whole Blizzard issue. My answer is simple . . . why would you expect anything different, either from China or from Blizzard? The same people who are constantly lamenting Blizzard's practices are the ones advocating for a new level of outrage when in fact, they are supposed to be the ones who always expect such bad behavior! For them, if we are being intellectually constant, it should have just been a Tuesday. Nothing special or surprising at all.
And as for the Chinese government, I am highly skeptical whether any of these keyboard warriors actually know much of the history that goes into the interactions between Hong Kong and China, but I do, and it wasn't surprising to me in the least that this is how the events went down. If anything, I'm surprised there hasn't been more open bloodshed.
I feel for the people of Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, and any number of others that have had to face China from a position of disadvantage. I can't do anything about it right now, and I wouldn't start there even if I had the ability to wish human suffering away one horror show at a time, but I do care.
Hope that's sufficiently clear.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
I was always on the side of Hong Kong and certainly on the side of people who approve of being able to speak of the Hong Kong situation openly. I just question the sincerity of Hoogout and other posters who pretend as if another poster is garbage if he doesn't rev up to the same level of white-hot molten outrage as whoever is yelling the loudest right now.
"I was always on the side of Hong Kong and certainly on the side of people who approve of being able to speak of the Hong Kong situation openly."
Shadowrisen, Shadowrisen, Shadowrisen... For someone who labeled the conflict in Hong Kong as "not a big deal", just because it didn't cause any direct impact on his life, and also claimed there is a long list of problems in the world to address before it (just to take away importance from the subject), that's really a very strange statement to make.
I'm pretty sure the word "neutral" would be much more appropriate in this case. ;)
And I'm telling you the word Neutral doesn't describe me in the least. the phrase "not a big deal" was used very clearly and very limitedly to the discussion regarding whether or not any of this stuff impacts the daily lives of the streamers in question. I believe we were specifically talking about Kripp and his audience.
It is NOT heartless or uncaring to acknowledge the simple fact that most of that group of people have more immediate claims on their attention and even their caring than a conflict in another part of the world AND that if they were inclined to be immediately concerned with a world tragedy, the Hong Kong situation would be nowhere near the first one on the list to be actively concerned about.
All of that can be true while at the same time, I can care about the people of Hong Kong. A lot of other things can be true at the same time, as well.
1. I'm more concerned with paying my rent, even though no one is going to die if I miss a payment. That's not selfish; that's the way it SHOULD be. I have a duty of care to myself and my wife. I have no duty to a protestor in Hong Kong. Furthermore, I have no foreseeably effective way of affecting the situation in HK, whereas I am in a great spot to affect the rent payment. My whole original post stemmed from the absurdity of pretending that we should be jumping on the bandwagon of the Hong Kong situation when we all probably are missing more pressing concerns in our lives.
2. One day, I might have everything in my immediate family life taken care of to such an extent that I might be able to focus my life on something grander than the daily struggle of chores and obligations. In other words, maybe I'll have financial obligations taken care of to the point where I could responsibly find some cause like the Hong Kong situation to actually try and affect on a larger scale. If that day ever comes, there is NO WAY IN HELL THAT HONG KONG WOULD BE THE CHOICE.
After your last post, I actually took a moment or two and listed in my head all of the clearly worse humanitarian situations of which I knew that were currently happening around the world. I could think of SEVEN different areas of the world that were in far worse shape and/or far more easily fixed at the benefit of many more lives than the HK situation. Since I don't have any family in HK or any personal attachment that would lead me away from the pure utilitarian calculation, I'm certainly not going to pick the HK situation as the spot to devote myself.
Now, I seriously doubt I'm the only one for which all of this is true. I may be the only one willing to take the time to type it all out, but I suspect this is a somewhat universal experience of an American worker relative to the Hong Kong protests. The reason I waded into this argument in the first place was that some members of the community sought to shame anyone who thought this way.
How dare you suggest other problems might take precedent? How dare you not be angry, and indulge in raging against Blizzard as a result?
That last question is most relevant to the whole Blizzard issue. My answer is simple . . . why would you expect anything different, either from China or from Blizzard? The same people who are constantly lamenting Blizzard's practices are the ones advocating for a new level of outrage when in fact, they are supposed to be the ones who always expect such bad behavior! For them, if we are being intellectually constant, it should have just been a Tuesday. Nothing special or surprising at all.
And as for the Chinese government, I am highly skeptical whether any of these keyboard warriors actually know much of the history that goes into the interactions between Hong Kong and China, but I do, and it wasn't surprising to me in the least that this is how the events went down. If anything, I'm surprised there hasn't been more open bloodshed.
I feel for the people of Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, and any number of others that have had to face China from a position of disadvantage. I can't do anything about it right now, and I wouldn't start there even if I had the ability to wish human suffering away one horror show at a time, but I do care.
Hope that's sufficiently clear.
Yeah, that was super clear, and I didn't spect such a long post to be honest. You're a smart individual, Shadowrisen, the way you usually express yourself in the forum clearly shows that. Sadly, as far as I'm aware of, you don't have any super villian powers like me :P, but I can't deny I really appreciate your intellect, my friend... XD XD XD
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Its not fine. There is something called moral courage. Peaceful civilians get harmed and harassed and the future of the freedom of over 7 million humans is at risk. I know many HS players are pretty young and did not get proper history education. By sheer coincidence history itself prepared perfect examples already. Lets say its the year 1936. Lets just assume, there was live streaming with chat already. A big event gets live streamed, the Summer Olympics in Berlin. Jews get harassed already. Many of them got imprisoned, expropriated, beaten up and even killed. Many fled the country. Sure no example is like another, they had no chance to demonstrate and fight for their rights. But just lets continue this gedankenexperiment. Now imagine the american host of that stream is banning people, because they point out the situation of the jews and their fear of a big war, because they would lose the right to advertise coca cola or will lose the streaming rights. Then someone enters the conversation and claims: "But hey, they are also banning streamers who made pro Hitler comments, so thats ok i think." Another comments: "There are rules. Yes, yes. Its a shame, they get detained into concentration camps, but rules are rules. They deserve the ban." Or this pure fictional comment: "Why are YOUR liberties are more important than MINE to watch the stream without politics crap? so called liberals and democrats are sometimes way worse than any other nazi..." Life is strange, eh?
Every official twitch channel is like this. The mods on there are power trippers. That being said, it's more on Blizzard if they are specifically targeting viewers for boycott-related offences.
It is a little bit over the top to compare someone on a forum with Hitler don't you think?
... Are you serious?
You don't have to go back to 1936, dude. You can go back to 1949, and keep going. Because, unlike the Nazis, the Chinese Communist Party still exists today. In fact, they happen to be the crux of the issue here. You don't have to think about Jews or Berlin or America. Think about the Chinese who protested against the rise of a one party state, standing in Tianamen Square. One man, against a line of tanks.
Think about all the sacred temples that were burned to the ground. Think about the children who were educated by the state to turn in their parents if they spoke in favor of capitalism or against the Party. Think of the genuine problem that is happening, that the Chinese mainland has tried to push Hong Kong into passing legislation that would allow the mainland to extradite criminals for prosecution there.
Taiwan resists Chinese authority. So does Tibet. And now, so does Hong Kong. No one who is not already part of China wants to be part of China, because everyone on the outside can see how absolutely despicable they are. But hey, at least Winnie the Pooh won't stick around forever, right? Term limits and all that. Oh, no! Wait, that's right! He has declared himself "president for life"! Well, shit. Guess there's nothing anyone can do about it.
If u want to protest, go to the streets, not protest on a chat of stream of a dead card game rofl.
Dr7 its back!
No. This thread and others like it are the perfect example why non gaming discussions should be banned from gaming. Keep politics on facebook, twitter, go do an interview at a newspaper, go be an activist and protest on the streets but don't turn a gaming competition, a football match, a singing contest, etc. into a political debate.
This happens in churches too. There are articles about it. So the priests are in the Nazi party now if they don't allow the person to start a debate about politics in their church?
FIFA bans politics from their press conferences. Players were fined for political messages after football matches. Man, there's a lot of Hitlers in the world today.
And now we are a week later. Is Hong Kong free? Did twitch chat save Hong Kong? Of course not. Is Blizzard suppose to do something to free Hong Kong? Of course not. Are we talking about Hong Kong and what is happening there and about what should be done to save it? Of course not.
We are running in circles having philosophical debates about freedom of speech and Hitler on gaming forums, porn forums, movie forums, fashion forums because guess what people don't care and you're not going to make them care when they are disconnected from the real world and are trying to relax at a movie or at a shopping mall or at a gaming competition.
Sorry for the long post.
When I said it is fine, I meant it is fine if Blizzard bans comments from both sides. I did not mean it is fine with what's happening with hk right now.
Seriously what did you guys expect Blizzard to do? Ban one side alone is obviously wrong. Do nothing and people will point fingers that they ate their own words when they claimed political neutral stand. Ban both sides and still people have things to complain.
Politics should be separated from gaming.
Seriously? Do you really think most people don't care and are disconnected from the real world? What??? You're totally missing the point, dude. Most people out there have no real power, my friend, that's the truth. We are not going to travel to Hong Kong to fight others' battles when our chances of winning are non-existant, we are not martyrs. Leave that to those who have the power to do it. If you think otherwise and believe there is some value in commiting suicide for nothing, it's your problem, not ours.
BRB, getting on to playhearthstone to type "Free Hong Kong" and see what happens.
Blizzard doesn’t understand Twitch. LoL. Twitch chaters can’t find HK or probably China on a map. They just wanna meme they don’t actually give a fuck. If you let them burn themselves in this meme. Within a week they will spam a new meme anyway.
The whole things just stupid to me. If you spam you should get banned I don't care what the topic is. Politics are always awful anyways. Divides good people and everyone devolves into morons.
So you really think twitch is a democracy...Excuse me but you are dumb.
People weren't banned for spamming. One single comment was enough.
In contrast, no one was banned for Hong Kong messages during a recent Magic tournament.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
@Sherman
I was always on the side of Hong Kong and certainly on the side of people who approve of being able to speak of the Hong Kong situation openly. I just question the sincerity of Hoogout and other posters who pretend as if another poster is garbage if he doesn't rev up to the same level of white-hot molten outrage as whoever is yelling the loudest right now.
@ Sobrano
Well said all around.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
If a church in the U.S. has tax-exempt status, it is actually illegal for them to take a political position. That makes it extremely problematic when members start discussing politics, for obvious reasons. Hence the ban, which makes sense.
FIFA reprimanding or banning players is analogous to Blizzard's punishment of Blitzchung, which was fine once they eased off a bit.
Banning Twitch viewers over chat messages is nothing like either of those. And again, Magic viewers and players were not punished for the exact same behavior, and the tournament did not suffer in any way.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
"I was always on the side of Hong Kong and certainly on the side of people who approve of being able to speak of the Hong Kong situation openly."
Shadowrisen, Shadowrisen, Shadowrisen... For someone who labeled the conflict in Hong Kong as "not a big deal", just because it didn't cause any direct impact on his life, and also claimed there is a long list of problems in the world to address before it (just to take away importance from the subject), that's really a very strange statement to make.
I'm pretty sure the word "neutral" would be much more appropriate in this case. ;)
It's not that someone else's liberty takes precedence over yours in any intrinsic fashion. More that their fight is for freedom and lives of their people, yours is to not be minorly inconvenienced in your usual patterns of entertainment consumption, complaining about it in that sense makes you look petty
And I'm telling you the word Neutral doesn't describe me in the least. the phrase "not a big deal" was used very clearly and very limitedly to the discussion regarding whether or not any of this stuff impacts the daily lives of the streamers in question. I believe we were specifically talking about Kripp and his audience.
It is NOT heartless or uncaring to acknowledge the simple fact that most of that group of people have more immediate claims on their attention and even their caring than a conflict in another part of the world AND that if they were inclined to be immediately concerned with a world tragedy, the Hong Kong situation would be nowhere near the first one on the list to be actively concerned about.
All of that can be true while at the same time, I can care about the people of Hong Kong. A lot of other things can be true at the same time, as well.
1. I'm more concerned with paying my rent, even though no one is going to die if I miss a payment. That's not selfish; that's the way it SHOULD be. I have a duty of care to myself and my wife. I have no duty to a protestor in Hong Kong. Furthermore, I have no foreseeably effective way of affecting the situation in HK, whereas I am in a great spot to affect the rent payment. My whole original post stemmed from the absurdity of pretending that we should be jumping on the bandwagon of the Hong Kong situation when we all probably are missing more pressing concerns in our lives.
2. One day, I might have everything in my immediate family life taken care of to such an extent that I might be able to focus my life on something grander than the daily struggle of chores and obligations. In other words, maybe I'll have financial obligations taken care of to the point where I could responsibly find some cause like the Hong Kong situation to actually try and affect on a larger scale. If that day ever comes, there is NO WAY IN HELL THAT HONG KONG WOULD BE THE CHOICE.
After your last post, I actually took a moment or two and listed in my head all of the clearly worse humanitarian situations of which I knew that were currently happening around the world. I could think of SEVEN different areas of the world that were in far worse shape and/or far more easily fixed at the benefit of many more lives than the HK situation. Since I don't have any family in HK or any personal attachment that would lead me away from the pure utilitarian calculation, I'm certainly not going to pick the HK situation as the spot to devote myself.
Now, I seriously doubt I'm the only one for which all of this is true. I may be the only one willing to take the time to type it all out, but I suspect this is a somewhat universal experience of an American worker relative to the Hong Kong protests. The reason I waded into this argument in the first place was that some members of the community sought to shame anyone who thought this way.
How dare you suggest other problems might take precedent? How dare you not be angry, and indulge in raging against Blizzard as a result?
That last question is most relevant to the whole Blizzard issue. My answer is simple . . . why would you expect anything different, either from China or from Blizzard? The same people who are constantly lamenting Blizzard's practices are the ones advocating for a new level of outrage when in fact, they are supposed to be the ones who always expect such bad behavior! For them, if we are being intellectually constant, it should have just been a Tuesday. Nothing special or surprising at all.
And as for the Chinese government, I am highly skeptical whether any of these keyboard warriors actually know much of the history that goes into the interactions between Hong Kong and China, but I do, and it wasn't surprising to me in the least that this is how the events went down. If anything, I'm surprised there hasn't been more open bloodshed.
I feel for the people of Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, and any number of others that have had to face China from a position of disadvantage. I can't do anything about it right now, and I wouldn't start there even if I had the ability to wish human suffering away one horror show at a time, but I do care.
Hope that's sufficiently clear.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Yeah, that was super clear, and I didn't spect such a long post to be honest. You're a smart individual, Shadowrisen, the way you usually express yourself in the forum clearly shows that. Sadly, as far as I'm aware of, you don't have any super villian powers like me :P, but I can't deny I really appreciate your intellect, my friend... XD XD XD
You right, I can only aspire to your villainy.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.