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I've been playing Hearthstone from the very beggining of its existance and ever since then everyone says that "the current meta is so boring...". For example - for like 3 or 4 months Control Warrior dominated the ladder and now when it's gone everyone complains about evolve shaman which entered the meta around a week ago. I realise that the game starts being boring when you see the same decks every day for a long period of time, but there are 2 reasons why you shouldn't complain:

1 It's impossible for Blizzard to make critical changes to the meta every week, because it would require a lot of work and they have many other games apart from HS and it would actually destroy the whole point of the game which is collecting cards, as you would probably never craft anything.

2. Changing the meta every week would make the game unplayable and I personally prefer Hearthstone as it is now.

Conclussion - Meta will always be boring but that's why you should play for fun and not for rank. I personally love trying to make some weird dwcks work even if it costs me going down from rank 6 to 10 😁

Yu gi oh duel links has solved this problem, by releasing (if i'm correct) every month new cards. This keeps the meta fresh, but your wallets empty. 
I feel that Hearthstone will be a victim of Murphy's law. Every strong tier 1 deck will be overused because of the internet and the hearthstone core mechanics add's fuel to the fire

As a YGO player i can confirm HS is dying.



Nah for real its fine . Honestly idk why are they killing their game instead of adding more stuff in it.

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 The appropriate analysis is this.

1. HS is dying for those who want play a game of skill.
2. HS is very much alive for those who wat to play the game mindlessly according to the idea of a low skill floor.
3. HS is dying for those who are fed up with the retardness of  Murlocs - spamm, buff, go face. Likewise OTK decks.
4. HS is dying because the current design team is much overdue.
5. HS will certainly be revived if another design team starts diversify win conditions and raise the skill floor.

Remember HS has a very strong mindless gameplay demanding base. You can see it on this forum supported by pro T5 - punditry. Many names have been given to this species: fanboys, 12-years olds, vulgar crowd. This fast mass keeps the game boring, because they don't care about the finesse. They enjoy being stupid. That's why the game is kept boring by developers. Marketing reasons. In sum, the game is made for a target audience and these don't always visit Twitch streams. Declining numbers viewing streams doesn't say much. Those who leave want something more than just another mindless damage out of hand. It is about card design for the masses...stupid. As long as the masses are being served, the game will stay popular. What is noticed is a separation of minds.

That being said. HS is superior in artwork, audio and animation. Don't underestimate the attractivity of that. No other card game is as good in this field. Attractiveness in its own right. 

Although I despise the masses who are primarily responsible for described symptoms of the game, I believe things will only change for the better if a total new design team starts from scratch and print more interesting cards.

Observe, in its natural habitat: the Edgelord. This species is known for spending its days on internet forums, writing condescending posts about the inferiority of the masses and bemoaning the rule of the vulgar crowd. The Edgelord likes to position itself as intellectually superior, but its lack of ability to perceive the world from any other viewpoint than its own reveals an intellect that is in fact quite common. The Edgelord is a creature that demands our pity; it often lives a sad existence. 

For further information on the Edgelord, read Fyodor Dostoevsky's "Notes from Underground".

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Remember hearthstone is just a game..

@OP: I agree with you. HS is on the decline and this won't change as long as:

- The game is not easily accessible to new players

- The game has a few modes

- META changes occur after new releases only

RNG is not a problem. RNG is rather needed so that the more casual players don't instantly quit due to constantly being beaten by the pros.

Solving the new players accessibility is easy - they need to be less greedy. Adding new modes is easy too - they have to invest more from what they get from us into the game aka be less greedy again.

The biggest problem is the stale META and absolutely no deck building encouragement. In fact the copy/paste deck mechanism serves for the opposite. I've given a solution for this in the past. The result from it will be that the most played cards aka their best sellers will become less played meaning again less income for them.

So, my conclusion is that HS is dying, because of their own greed. And greed is a monster. One that they can not control.

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 The appropriate analysis is this.

1. HS is dying for those who want play a game of skill.
2. HS is very much alive for those who wat to play the game mindlessly according to the idea of a low skill floor.
3. HS is dying for those who are fed up with the retardness of  Murlocs - spamm, buff, go face. Likewise OTK decks.
4. HS is dying because the current design team is much overdue.
5. HS will certainly be revived if another design team starts diversify win conditions and raise the skill floor.

Remember HS has a very strong mindless gameplay demanding base. You can see it on this forum supported by pro T5 - punditry. Many names have been given to this species: fanboys, 12-years olds, vulgar crowd. This fast mass keeps the game boring, because they don't care about the finesse. They enjoy being stupid. That's why the game is kept boring by developers. Marketing reasons. In sum, the game is made for a target audience and these don't always visit Twitch streams. Declining numbers viewing streams doesn't say much. Those who leave want something more than just another mindless damage out of hand. It is about card design for the masses...stupid. As long as the masses are being served, the game will stay popular. What is noticed is a separation of minds.

That being said. HS is superior in artwork, audio and animation. Don't underestimate the attractivity of that. No other card game is as good in this field. Attractiveness in its own right. 

Although I despise the masses who are primarily responsible for described symptoms of the game, I believe things will only change for the better if a total new design team starts from scratch and print more interesting cards.

Observe, in its natural habitat: the Edgelord. This species is known for spending its days on internet forums, writing condescending posts about the inferiority of the masses and bemoaning the rule of the vulgar crowd. The Edgelord likes to position itself as intellectually superior, but its lack of ability to perceive the world from any other viewpoint than its own reveals an intellect that is in fact quite common. The Edgelord is a creature that demands our pity; it often lives a sad existence. 

For further information on the Edgelord, read Fyodor Dostoevsky's "Notes from Underground".

Is it possible to write an argument on his post instead of attacking his persona..
Remember hearthstone is just a game..

You are right, of course, but people that condescendingly distances themselves from "the masses" pisses me of. I completely agree that Hearthstone IS just a game, which is why this whole "the game is kept boring by the stupid masses"-shtick is annoying me. They are literally complaining that most people (the fanboys, 12-year-olds, vulgar crowd) just want to have fun - which is sort of the point of most games...

I tried to call them out for their bullshit, just like you did me (just in a more humorous way). 

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 The appropriate analysis is this.

1. HS is dying for those who want play a game of skill.
2. HS is very much alive for those who wat to play the game mindlessly according to the idea of a low skill floor.
3. HS is dying for those who are fed up with the retardness of  Murlocs - spamm, buff, go face. Likewise OTK decks.
4. HS is dying because the current design team is much overdue.
5. HS will certainly be revived if another design team starts diversify win conditions and raise the skill floor.

Remember HS has a very strong mindless gameplay demanding base. You can see it on this forum supported by pro T5 - punditry. Many names have been given to this species: fanboys, 12-years olds, vulgar crowd. This fast mass keeps the game boring, because they don't care about the finesse. They enjoy being stupid. That's why the game is kept boring by developers. Marketing reasons. In sum, the game is made for a target audience and these don't always visit Twitch streams. Declining numbers viewing streams doesn't say much. Those who leave want something more than just another mindless damage out of hand. It is about card design for the masses...stupid. As long as the masses are being served, the game will stay popular. What is noticed is a separation of minds.

That being said. HS is superior in artwork, audio and animation. Don't underestimate the attractivity of that. No other card game is as good in this field. Attractiveness in its own right. 

Although I despise the masses who are primarily responsible for described symptoms of the game, I believe things will only change for the better if a total new design team starts from scratch and print more interesting cards.

Observe, in its natural habitat: the Edgelord. This species is known for spending its days on internet forums, writing condescending posts about the inferiority of the masses and bemoaning the rule of the vulgar crowd. The Edgelord likes to position itself as intellectually superior, but its lack of ability to perceive the world from any other viewpoint than its own reveals an intellect that is in fact quite common. The Edgelord is a creature that demands our pity; it often lives a sad existence. 

For further information on the Edgelord, read Fyodor Dostoevsky's "Notes from Underground".

Is it possible to write an argument on his post instead of attacking his persona..
Remember hearthstone is just a game..

You are right, of course, but people that condescendingly distances themselves from "the masses" pisses me of. I completely agree that Hearthstone IS just a game, which is why this whole "the game is kept boring by the stupid masses"-shtick is annoying me. They are literally complaining that most people (the fanboys, 12-year-olds, vulgar crowd) just want to have fun - which is sort of the point of most games...

I tried to call them out for their bullshit, just like you did me (just in a more humorous way). 

No man I did not try to call you out.. In every part of life I try to judge people on their action and not on who they are. Everyone can have a bad day right?

Oh nice, it’s the classic “HS is dying” thread. Haven’t seen one of these since the last expansion. 

I’ve been plying since beta and have seen one of these posts every few months. Nothing new here.

Obviously one day HS is going die, every game does. But maybe check the numbers before making these posts. Other than Twitch (which I find hilarious that so many gamers think it is the be all end all of gaming) Hearthstones numbers have overall been going up the past few years. 

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Quote from Hooghout >>

 The appropriate analysis is this.

1. HS is dying for those who want play a game of skill.
2. HS is very much alive for those who wat to play the game mindlessly according to the idea of a low skill floor.
3. HS is dying for those who are fed up with the retardness of  Murlocs - spamm, buff, go face. Likewise OTK decks.
4. HS is dying because the current design team is much overdue.
5. HS will certainly be revived if another design team starts diversify win conditions and raise the skill floor.

Remember HS has a very strong mindless gameplay demanding base. You can see it on this forum supported by pro T5 - punditry. Many names have been given to this species: fanboys, 12-years olds, vulgar crowd. This fast mass keeps the game boring, because they don't care about the finesse. They enjoy being stupid. That's why the game is kept boring by developers. Marketing reasons. In sum, the game is made for a target audience and these don't always visit Twitch streams. Declining numbers viewing streams doesn't say much. Those who leave want something more than just another mindless damage out of hand. It is about card design for the masses...stupid. As long as the masses are being served, the game will stay popular. What is noticed is a separation of minds.

That being said. HS is superior in artwork, audio and animation. Don't underestimate the attractivity of that. No other card game is as good in this field. Attractiveness in its own right. 

Although I despise the masses who are primarily responsible for described symptoms of the game, I believe things will only change for the better if a total new design team starts from scratch and print more interesting cards.

Observe, in its natural habitat: the Edgelord. This species is known for spending its days on internet forums, writing condescending posts about the inferiority of the masses and bemoaning the rule of the vulgar crowd. The Edgelord likes to position itself as intellectually superior, but its lack of ability to perceive the world from any other viewpoint than its own reveals an intellect that is in fact quite common. The Edgelord is a creature that demands our pity; it often lives a sad existence. 

For further information on the Edgelord, read Fyodor Dostoevsky's "Notes from Underground".

Is it possible to write an argument on his post instead of attacking his persona..
Remember hearthstone is just a game..

You are right, of course, but people that condescendingly distances themselves from "the masses" pisses me of. I completely agree that Hearthstone IS just a game, which is why this whole "the game is kept boring by the stupid masses"-shtick is annoying me. They are literally complaining that most people (the fanboys, 12-year-olds, vulgar crowd) just want to have fun - which is sort of the point of most games...

I tried to call them out for their bullshit, just like you did me (just in a more humorous way). 

No man I did not try to call you out.. In every part of life I try to judge people on their action and not on who they are. Everyone can have a bad day right?

You misunderstand me, calling people out is a good thing IMO! Calling someone out means pointing out to them how something they're doing is, in fact, bullshit (or at least problematic). I did not mean to imply that you're in any way judging anyone. Keep calling people out! 

To contribute to the discussion, I don't think Hearthstone is dying, but it is losing a very specific part of the player base, namely those who are actually interested in CCGs as a genre. I've never played another CCG (or another Blizzard game for that matter), and I've never been interested in a replacement. I just like Hearthstone (in other words, I belong to the vulgar crowd!). I imagine there are many like me, and we will keep the game going for a loooong time.

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Oh nice, it’s the classic “HS is dying” thread. Haven’t seen one of these since the last expansion. 

I’ve been plying since beta and have seen one of these posts every few months. Nothing new here.

Obviously one day HS is going die, every game does. But maybe check the numbers before making these posts. Other than Twitch (which I find hilarious that so many gamers think it is the be all end all of gaming) Hearthstones numbers have overall been going up the past few years. 

Like you I have been playing since the beginning. Hearthstone would not litterly die in the coming years. But I believe it will massivly lose it popularity.
Twitch is a good indicator on the popularity of games. You could daily see the viewers of PUBG falling and while Fortnite's viewing numbers rising.

There is a certrain group of people who like cardgames, you and me obviously belong to that group. People who feel the same like me are still waiting for the new card game that will fullfill our wishes in a card game, when that game comes I wil defenitly leave hearthstone. This being said. In my friendlist in hearthstone alot of people who were daily active haven't been online for months.

With common sense, numbers, and personal experience I can say that Hearthtone is slowly dying. If the current situation continues I think more people will go to other card games especially when another card game comes wich will outpeform Hearthstone.

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 The appropriate analysis is this.

1. HS is dying for those who want play a game of skill.
2. HS is very much alive for those who wat to play the game mindlessly according to the idea of a low skill floor.
3. HS is dying for those who are fed up with the retardness of  Murlocs - spamm, buff, go face. Likewise OTK decks.
4. HS is dying because the current design team is much overdue.
5. HS will certainly be revived if another design team starts diversify win conditions and raise the skill floor.

Remember HS has a very strong mindless gameplay demanding base. You can see it on this forum supported by pro T5 - punditry. Many names have been given to this species: fanboys, 12-years olds, vulgar crowd. This fast mass keeps the game boring, because they don't care about the finesse. They enjoy being stupid. That's why the game is kept boring by developers. Marketing reasons. In sum, the game is made for a target audience and these don't always visit Twitch streams. Declining numbers viewing streams doesn't say much. Those who leave want something more than just another mindless damage out of hand. It is about card design for the masses...stupid. As long as the masses are being served, the game will stay popular. What is noticed is a separation of minds.

That being said. HS is superior in artwork, audio and animation. Don't underestimate the attractivity of that. No other card game is as good in this field. Attractiveness in its own right. 

Although I despise the masses who are primarily responsible for described symptoms of the game, I believe things will only change for the better if a total new design team starts from scratch and print more interesting cards.

Observe, in its natural habitat: the Edgelord. This species is known for spending its days on internet forums, writing condescending posts about the inferiority of the masses and bemoaning the rule of the vulgar crowd. The Edgelord likes to position itself as intellectually superior, but its lack of ability to perceive the world from any other viewpoint than its own reveals an intellect that is in fact quite common. The Edgelord is a creature that demands our pity; it often lives a sad existence. 

For further information on the Edgelord, read Fyodor Dostoevsky's "Notes from Underground".

Is it possible to write an argument on his post instead of attacking his persona..
Remember hearthstone is just a game..

You are right, of course, but people that condescendingly distances themselves from "the masses" pisses me of. I completely agree that Hearthstone IS just a game, which is why this whole "the game is kept boring by the stupid masses"-shtick is annoying me. They are literally complaining that most people (the fanboys, 12-year-olds, vulgar crowd) just want to have fun - which is sort of the point of most games...

I tried to call them out for their bullshit, just like you did me (just in a more humorous way). 

No man I did not try to call you out.. In every part of life I try to judge people on their action and not on who they are. Everyone can have a bad day right?

You misunderstand me, calling people out is a good thing IMO! Calling someone out means pointing out to them how something they're doing is, in fact, bullshit (or at least problematic). I did not mean to imply that you're in any way judging anyone. Keep calling people out! 

To contribute to the discussion, I don't think Hearthstone is dying, but it is losing a very specific part of the player base, namely those who are actually interested in CCGs as a genre. I've never played another CCG (or another Blizzard game for that matter), and I've never been interested in a replacement. I just like Hearthstone (in other words, I belong to the vulgar crowd!). I imagine there are many like me, and we will keep the game going for a loooong time.

" I don't think Hearthstone is dying, but it is losing a very specific part of the player base, namely those who are actually interested in CCGs as a genre."

I just stated this is another post without reading your post, guess were both right, I also meant that hearthstone is not actually dying but it won't reach the hight it used to have. And I  believe this is also the logic thing to happen. When an object "A" performs good, another group or person tries to make the same object better by making object "B" etc. At some point there will be a group or a person with exceptional motivation who will succeed in having a better object. All because the succes of object A. There woulnd be Pepsi if there wasn't a Coca cola.

I don't think the new player problem is new. it has always taken a while for new players to build up a collection, and since whispers of the old gods, the work required has remained constant, as there can only be at most 6 expansions in standard at once.  And yes, obviously the game is dying. Any game that has hit its peak is dying. The developers have been putting in a ton of work to prolong the game's inevitable death. they have started adding solo content to every expansion and releasing new stuff in intervals, so it doesn't seem like there is this 4 month-long period where nothing new is happening with the game.  the last wing just came for tombs of terror a couple of weeks ago, and now there is a hallow's end event that will last all of October then mid-November will be full of hype for the new expansion that comes out in early December! They are doing a great job of keeping their loyal players interested. They also stopped making certain cards exclusive to the solo adventures like they did in the past which was VERY new player unfriendly.

Can we stop these Magic Nerds from coming into our forum? Please!

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As a YGO player i can confirm HS is dying.



Nah for real its fine . Honestly idk why are they killing their game instead of adding more stuff in it.

 And what do u think would bring people back.I will tell you this it won’t be achievements. Hey look they added a one 1k wins For new portrait. What else could u add oh don’t say tournament mode cause that probably also bring people back . 

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Gosh, there have been sooooo many Hearthstone killers in the past 5 years!

That Elder Scrolls card game, Shadowverse, Faeria, Eternal, Gwent, MtG Arena ...

Pardon me if I take this Runeterra prediction with a grain of salt.

 I watched it a bit and it reminded me of games that failed.
It looked to difficult which wil stop people from bothering to learn it and therefor make it likely to fail.

Top players might praise these new games for the higher skill level, that will only make people leave faster.
A game can't run on 100 players who enjoy it, especially when during launch you pay them a shitload of money to claim they enjoy is.

Just like with Valve, Riots player base is a moba crowd.
Moba crowds don't care about a card game, they care about a moba game.

Aside from all that.
- the meta will be stale in 2 weeks to (the amount of teemo i saw....)
- the rng will be the same
- the big streamers will leave as soon as the money is gone (apex legends anyone??)

People always talk about viewers and streamers. Don't underestimate how many people that play the game and don't watch stream - myself included. 

In November 2018 Blizzard made a post about reaching 100 million Hearthstone players and yet you talk about going from 30-40k twtich viewers to 10k. The vast majority of the Hearhstone player base probably don't watch streams. 

My point is: be careful about making assumptions based on something as simple as viewers. Hearthstone has a very large player base. You need to base it on actual number of people the game and revenue. 

Talking about something like hearthstone dying based on twotch views is kinda bold. 

Assuming say half of claimed player base is real (not retired/twink accounts/bots etc.), it'll take a while for it to dissipate, that's not taking into account the fact that if even the game is shit, there's plenty of those who will still like the taste no matter what. 

HS is dying, 2020 July will be last expansion if they dont continue innovate like they did with giving out cards temporarily.

1) Increase speed of game by 2x

2) Make mixed mode (mixd expansions in Ranked mode)

3) Allow to buy old packs with gold.

4) Make blocking and Instant as in MTG:A.

5) Graveyard.