Actually rank 1-2 (up&down tilt) I’m still wondering why I try hard to reach legend so hard whereas I just can’t get enough about meta, about rng, about broken cards, and what so ever
I like this game, but you can’t count (anymore?) on skill, mind reading, etc.
You know the counter, and you know you won’t have a good answer. Maybe because match-up issues, early or end game screw situation, copy-paste list, broken effects not countable
Maybe it’s just me who didn’t enjoy the game anymore, and just tired about playing it.
Or it’s just about to give the game an orientation I just can’t take anymore.
I will be curious about people feelings too, in-game frustration situation etc.
I love this game but it can frustrate me to no end. Recently I was doing really well with quest druid knocking on the door of rank 10 with a 60-70% win rate but always getting boned within 1 win of ranking up. Then out of nowhere I drop 15 out of 18 games and get knocked down to almost rank 14. I didn't face any weird deck shifts, my opponents just kept getting super optimal plays and my draws were just godawful. Streaks like that just blow. I want to get back to rank 5ish which is where I was a couple months ago but the ladder is really not having it.
Skill is still a factor. If it wasn't, you wouldn't see the same players at the top end of Legend every season, and the same players competing in/winning tournaments all the time. I think the big difference now is there are a lot of viable decks in the game at the moment (Tier 1 alone according to HSReplay contains 6 decks, and there are a further 11 with win rates higher than 50%). Because of this we are running into a lot of different matchups on ladder and it is not as straightforward to learn them all. People often downplay skill in this game and say that Hearthstone is super easy, everyone is playing optimally once you get past rank 5 etc, but this is an ignorant attitude. Its easy to make the obvious play each turn and assume it was optimal, but it often is not. Players do not always realise this and fail to understand why they are not making progress.
You see it all the time on these forums "I'm stuck at rank X, what's wrong with me?" It is as simple as - that is the rank your current skill level permits you to achieve, and you need to improve your skills, deck or both in order to proceed.
Skill is still a factor. If it wasn't, you wouldn't see the same players at the top end of Legend every season, and the same players competing in/winning tournaments all the time. I think the big difference now is there are a lot of viable decks in the game at the moment (Tier 1 alone according to HSReplay contains 6 decks, and there are a further 11 with win rates higher than 50%). Because of this we are running into a lot of different matchups on ladder and it is not as straightforward to learn them all. People often downplay skill in this game and say that Hearthstone is super easy, everyone is playing optimally once you get past rank 5 etc, but this is an ignorant attitude. Its easy to make the obvious play each turn and assume it was optimal, but it often is not. Players do not always realise this and fail to understand why they are not making progress.
You see it all the time on these forums "I'm stuck at rank X, what's wrong with me?" It is as simple as - that is the rank your current skill level permits you to achieve, and you need to improve your skills, deck or both in order to proceed.
The best example of this, I feel like, are mirror-matches. Not just with the same decks, but even aggro/combo/control mirrors. I learnt a lot from someone like Theo, who plays all his matches incredibly well. He knows when to go for tempo, or to hold off on certain plays. In these cases, he too can get wrecked by god-awful draws and bad RNG. It's just the way of Hearthstone.
So I fully agree with you. Too many people complain about the RNG in this game, but the truth is, if you're stuck at rank 11, there's a lot more to be improved than just your RNG.
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Skill is still a factor. If it wasn't, you wouldn't see the same players at the top end of Legend every season, and the same players competing in/winning tournaments all the time. I think the big difference now is there are a lot of viable decks in the game at the moment (Tier 1 alone according to HSReplay contains 6 decks, and there are a further 11 with win rates higher than 50%). Because of this we are running into a lot of different matchups on ladder and it is not as straightforward to learn them all. People often downplay skill in this game and say that Hearthstone is super easy, everyone is playing optimally once you get past rank 5 etc, but this is an ignorant attitude. Its easy to make the obvious play each turn and assume it was optimal, but it often is not. Players do not always realise this and fail to understand why they are not making progress.
You see it all the time on these forums "I'm stuck at rank X, what's wrong with me?" It is as simple as - that is the rank your current skill level permits you to achieve, and you need to improve your skills, deck or both in order to proceed.
Lol, Skillstone has been dead for quite some time. High legend players simply play significantly more hours; it’s their job, afterall. With enough time, the numbers game plays out and somewhat evens out.
Skill is somewhat an issue, maybe 10-20%, 30% at the absolute max. Topdecks and RNGesus decide the vast majority of games.
Main factor is the amount of time you can invest into climbing. If you can play HS 24/7, then your chances to reach legend or even top-100 legend are much higher than if you play one hour per day (no matter how good you're).
In this game time spent on playing has much more to do with the rank you're at than skill. The thing we see the same people every month on top 100 has more to do with the amount of "free" time they have and chose to play this game than how TALENTED they are. At some point, the WR difference between pro and just a good player is too low for being the main factor in achieving high legend ranks. It's just time.
Skill is still a factor. If it wasn't, you wouldn't see the same players at the top end of Legend every season, and the same players competing in/winning tournaments all the time. I think the big difference now is there are a lot of viable decks in the game at the moment (Tier 1 alone according to HSReplay contains 6 decks, and there are a further 11 with win rates higher than 50%). Because of this we are running into a lot of different matchups on ladder and it is not as straightforward to learn them all. People often downplay skill in this game and say that Hearthstone is super easy, everyone is playing optimally once you get past rank 5 etc, but this is an ignorant attitude. Its easy to make the obvious play each turn and assume it was optimal, but it often is not. Players do not always realise this and fail to understand why they are not making progress.
You see it all the time on these forums "I'm stuck at rank X, what's wrong with me?" It is as simple as - that is the rank your current skill level permits you to achieve, and you need to improve your skills, deck or both in order to proceed.
Lol, Skillstone has been dead for quite some time. High legend players simply play significantly more hours; it’s their job, afterall. With enough time, the numbers game plays out and somewhat evens out.
Skill is somewhat an issue, maybe 10-20%, 30% at the absolute max. Topdecks and RNGesus decide the vast majority of games.
If you play 8 hours every day and you're shit, your rank will be shit. If the average rank 5-1 player puts in the hours of a professional, (unless they recognise and address mistakes in their play) they will still finish between 5 and 1 every season. You are right that the numbers game will play out, but it won't put you at top legend - the more frequently you play, the more likely it will put you exactly at the rank you belong.
We see this in the gaming world all the time. Look at League of Legends. Everyone thinks they're God's absolute gift to Summoner's Rift and sit in the same league season after season because they are so deluded about their own skill level.
People that downplay skill saying its just time spent and RNG cant get the concept of consistency, if you put more time into HS you will take out most of the RNG factor, sometimes you will highroll sometimes you wont, and them you can measure your actual win rate with a deck/style. If you spend more time after a certain point it will hardly matter for your climb, at higher ranks its really hard to just play a 50+% winrate deck you got somewhere and think you will actually get that winrate, people adapt, change tech cards and even what decks you face can change because theres pockets meta.
If you cant get over RNG maybe most video games arent for you, even fps nowadays have bloom rng, if you are just tilted just close the game and do something else for 30-40 min. One thing that can help me is checking on my friends list what people at a similar rank are playing/facing so i know if my quest shaman should have 1 or 2 MC techs maybe i even might wanna a crab or tinkmaster or and extra silence.
To OP: When you get tilted like this, just take a break.
The meta is shifting today, so at the very least you get to be tilted by some different decks for a while.
Most important: Stop worrying so much about Legend. It's an ugly cardback the first time you get there, and there's literally no other reason to care about it.
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Hi all,
Today I want to share my feelings.
Actually rank 1-2 (up&down tilt) I’m still wondering why I try hard to reach legend so hard whereas I just can’t get enough about meta, about rng, about broken cards, and what so ever
I like this game, but you can’t count (anymore?) on skill, mind reading, etc.
You know the counter, and you know you won’t have a good answer. Maybe because match-up issues, early or end game screw situation, copy-paste list, broken effects not countable
Maybe it’s just me who didn’t enjoy the game anymore, and just tired about playing it.
Or it’s just about to give the game an orientation I just can’t take anymore.
I will be curious about people feelings too, in-game frustration situation etc.
Last, sorry for my english, not my first language
Long live and suffering to Hearthstone
I love this game but it can frustrate me to no end. Recently I was doing really well with quest druid knocking on the door of rank 10 with a 60-70% win rate but always getting boned within 1 win of ranking up. Then out of nowhere I drop 15 out of 18 games and get knocked down to almost rank 14. I didn't face any weird deck shifts, my opponents just kept getting super optimal plays and my draws were just godawful. Streaks like that just blow. I want to get back to rank 5ish which is where I was a couple months ago but the ladder is really not having it.
Skill is still a factor. If it wasn't, you wouldn't see the same players at the top end of Legend every season, and the same players competing in/winning tournaments all the time. I think the big difference now is there are a lot of viable decks in the game at the moment (Tier 1 alone according to HSReplay contains 6 decks, and there are a further 11 with win rates higher than 50%). Because of this we are running into a lot of different matchups on ladder and it is not as straightforward to learn them all. People often downplay skill in this game and say that Hearthstone is super easy, everyone is playing optimally once you get past rank 5 etc, but this is an ignorant attitude. Its easy to make the obvious play each turn and assume it was optimal, but it often is not. Players do not always realise this and fail to understand why they are not making progress.
You see it all the time on these forums "I'm stuck at rank X, what's wrong with me?" It is as simple as - that is the rank your current skill level permits you to achieve, and you need to improve your skills, deck or both in order to proceed.
The best example of this, I feel like, are mirror-matches. Not just with the same decks, but even aggro/combo/control mirrors. I learnt a lot from someone like Theo, who plays all his matches incredibly well. He knows when to go for tempo, or to hold off on certain plays. In these cases, he too can get wrecked by god-awful draws and bad RNG. It's just the way of Hearthstone.
So I fully agree with you. Too many people complain about the RNG in this game, but the truth is, if you're stuck at rank 11, there's a lot more to be improved than just your RNG.
Dad, husband, gamer, fueled by coffee.
Currently playing Dragon Galakrond Priest, Dragon Galakrond Warrior and Highlander Dragon Hunter.
Lol, Skillstone has been dead for quite some time. High legend players simply play significantly more hours; it’s their job, afterall. With enough time, the numbers game plays out and somewhat evens out.
Skill is somewhat an issue, maybe 10-20%, 30% at the absolute max. Topdecks and RNGesus decide the vast majority of games.
Main factor is the amount of time you can invest into climbing. If you can play HS 24/7, then your chances to reach legend or even top-100 legend are much higher than if you play one hour per day (no matter how good you're).
In this game time spent on playing has much more to do with the rank you're at than skill. The thing we see the same people every month on top 100 has more to do with the amount of "free" time they have and chose to play this game than how TALENTED they are. At some point, the WR difference between pro and just a good player is too low for being the main factor in achieving high legend ranks. It's just time.
Play for fun, take a rest if this game exhausts you.
It's your life, make it for your satisfaction. If something stops being a good instrument - remove it, at least temporary.
If you play 8 hours every day and you're shit, your rank will be shit. If the average rank 5-1 player puts in the hours of a professional, (unless they recognise and address mistakes in their play) they will still finish between 5 and 1 every season. You are right that the numbers game will play out, but it won't put you at top legend - the more frequently you play, the more likely it will put you exactly at the rank you belong.
We see this in the gaming world all the time. Look at League of Legends. Everyone thinks they're God's absolute gift to Summoner's Rift and sit in the same league season after season because they are so deluded about their own skill level.
People that downplay skill saying its just time spent and RNG cant get the concept of consistency, if you put more time into HS you will take out most of the RNG factor, sometimes you will highroll sometimes you wont, and them you can measure your actual win rate with a deck/style. If you spend more time after a certain point it will hardly matter for your climb, at higher ranks its really hard to just play a 50+% winrate deck you got somewhere and think you will actually get that winrate, people adapt, change tech cards and even what decks you face can change because theres pockets meta.
If you cant get over RNG maybe most video games arent for you, even fps nowadays have bloom rng, if you are just tilted just close the game and do something else for 30-40 min. One thing that can help me is checking on my friends list what people at a similar rank are playing/facing so i know if my quest shaman should have 1 or 2 MC techs maybe i even might wanna a crab or tinkmaster or and extra silence.
To OP: When you get tilted like this, just take a break.
The meta is shifting today, so at the very least you get to be tilted by some different decks for a while.
Most important: Stop worrying so much about Legend. It's an ugly cardback the first time you get there, and there's literally no other reason to care about it.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland