Hearthpwn

I am not "trolling" : )

Let me dumb this down for you. If you want to make a song you can't take 60% of someone else's song and play it on the radio. : )

If you have a full collection you can experiment. But if you only have a certain amount of cards and you need some decks that work it is a huge risk to craft a deck before it is tested properly.

Let me dumb this down for you. If you want to make a song you can't take 60% of someone else's song and play it on the radio.

This sounds like a core Blizzard gameplay problem with balancing

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Plagiarism (by google): The practice of taking someone else's work or idea and passing them off as one's own. : )

 So you agree then, this is not plagiarism.  Thank you for bolstering the point.

The idea that someone is representing that a deck is their original creation just by playing it is self-evidently incorrect.

And of course, we all know this to be true, because when someone DOES actually post a deck on this site or write about it on twitter as if they came up with something original, that person gets flamed by EVERYONE.

In any case, the OP suggests rebalancing the game around the prevalence of certain cards.  If you do this for everyone, then the people who actually created the net decks are punished, just because others wanted to use the same decks.  If you somehow grandfather in the first few people who played the decks that later become popular, then those players would have an insurmountable advantage that would destroy all balance considerations.

Either way, it's a terrible idea.  There are a finite amount of cards.  Each meta will have individual cards and combinations that far outperform others.  And people will use them. 

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Quote from Pops >>

Plagiarism (by google): The practice of taking someone else's work or idea and passing them off as one's own. : )

 So you agree then, this is not plagiarism.  Thank you for bolstering the point.

The idea that someone is representing that a deck is their original creation just by playing it is self-evidently incorrect.

And of course, we all know this to be true, because when someone DOES actually post a deck on this site or write about it on twitter as if they came up with something original, that person gets flamed by EVERYONE.

 

In any case, the OP suggests rebalancing the game around the prevalence of certain cards.  If you do this for everyone, then the people who actually created the net decks are punished, just because others wanted to use the same decks.  If you somehow grandfather in the first few people who played the decks that later become popular, then those players would have an insurmountable advantage that would destroy all balance considerations.

Either way, it's a terrible idea.  There are a finite amount of cards.  Each meta will have individual cards and combinations that far outperform others.  And people will use them. 

Dumbing this down for you. If you want to make a song you can not take 60% of someone else's song and play it on the radio

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Netdecking, at the core of the concept is cheating, copying, plagiarizing another's work.

Solution:

Stop Netdecking by rewarding creativity and restricting decks to not have the statistically most common card combination of cards from the top 20 decks recorded online by limiting these decks to not have more than 10 cards in common

This would require a simple stats algorithm and a simple questing rework I could come up with in an afternoon.

Result:

New players would have to enjoy being creative and being rewarded for that instead of being rewarded for plagiarism at the end of every season. 

 You may forget that there are people who don´t have that much time for playing HS. Why spending this less time making decks, which may are not so good and get destroyed by other players instead of just spending a few minutes on watch for funny decks, copy it and start playing an just having fun. Also it is not bad for new players to learn how to create a deck, which kind of cards important for which kind of deck,.... I for myself have only 30 Minutes per day time for playing HS currently, sometimes none. So I don´t waste this time for making own decks. If I will have more time, maybe I will do again.

The game has a 30 cards per deck. Im not going to do the math but im sure if i want to make a token druid it will at least 80% similar to the best possible version. the same apply to bomb warrior if i want to make the deck ill start with 2 of the weapon's 2 of the bomb mech's both dr boom 2 elic's that is 8 card's that all of the deck's share and that is already 26% of the deck that always the same.  a lot of players will put in 2 dynamatic's 2 omega assembly's and 2 omega devastator's and zilliax because we know they are good with the hero card. That is already 15 card that always the same without even needing to netdeck. Now i would start putting in other card's mostly class cards and tech card's and there is only so many playable one's.

People will always try and find the most efficient way of doing something. No matter what incentives Blizz could implement to encourage people to make original decks there are always going to be some decks/cards that are stronger and better than others. People will then gravitate towards using those.

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Let me dumb this down for you. If you want to make a song, you can't take 60% of someone else's song and play it on the radio.

Yes you can. "Ice Ice Baby" is a carbon copy of "Under Pressure" and "Can't Touch This" is a copy of "Super Freak." 

You pre-suppose that netdecking is an issue that needs to be solved by Blizzard. It isn't. Forcing people to be unable to play the cards they want to in their decks will just drive people away from the game, because why would you arbitrarily restrict people like that? It's one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen somebody suggest.

You keep reiterating your cutesy 'oh, you can't take 60% of a song and play it on the radio :)' argument, but the situations aren't comparable at all. When you netdeck, you are not claiming to have created the deck - furthermore, even if you did, by doing so you don't gain anything. It's not like you get money for creating a brand-new deck the same way getting a song played on the radio does.

Right now, I can take the best Warrior list, copy it exactly, and play it on ladder. Who created the list? Who knows, doesn't matter, thousands of people are also playing it. In tournament play, you don't see people getting disqualified because they brought the same deck as their opponent, because that would be ludicrous. Of course you just bring the best 30 cards - if they happen to be what someone else thinks is the best 30 cards, so be it.

I'm sure I'm just feeding the troll, but if I can get even one person who thinks you have some sort of a point to see how nonsensical your suggestions and arguments are, then I honestly couldn't care less. Congrats, you got me.

You are right from now on I will only play decks that I make and have a none optimized deck of the same archtype I want to play anyway cause I don't look at the internet for the right options I rather just make the process of refining the decks myself cause I won't get to the same result that is online.

If you can't beat "net deckers" then your deck building skills are bad.

There's only a certain number of different decks that can be made. No matter what you're eventually going to get repeats of other decks. Hypothetically if no more cards are ever printed, then wouldn't everyone be running a deck that's been run before? Would that mean everyone in that situation is guilty of plagiarism for using a deck that's been created before?

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Let me dumb this down for you. If you want to make a song you can't take 60% of someone else's song and play it on the radio.

 I think you said.

If you want to be competitive, then you netdeck. You don't have to if you don't want to. If you like losing then make your own decks, but don't force other people to do the same. Some people enjoy winning.

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Quote from Pops >>

Let me dumb this down for you. If you want to make a song, you can't take 60% of someone else's song and play it on the radio.

Yes you can. "Ice Ice Baby" is a carbon copy of "Under Pressure" and "Can't Touch This" is a copy of "Super Freak." 

 nobody is going to confuse ice ice baby with under pressure.. but token druid will never be mistaken for anything but token druid. I have beaten every point of your arguement to the ground. Please sit down, you are invalid.

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The only really way to stop netdecking is massively improve the release of new cards, like, a full new expansion with more than 500 cards each every month, the meta never will be refined and netdecks will be much worse because will have many decks avaiable will be impossible to optmize lists can deal with that.

Never will happen.

 thats a cool idea on paper but doesnt work in practice, in fact there have been a bunch of card games that tried this approach to solve the entdecking problem and they ended up dying because people felt tey couldnt catch up and had to spend a ton of money, this happened to magi and a bunch of odl star wars tcgs

The IQ in this post is so low, it's in the negatives. Here's why:

Many archetypes are kinda spoonfed by development. Aside from 5-10 flex cards, you always have a core of 20 that is far superior than any other 20 cards you may want to play for that archetype. There are statistic websites that indicate the usefulness of each card in every scenario, so in time players end up with a very refined version of those archetypes, that have 25-27 core cards that cannot be replaced by something better.

If you suggest that you cannot play the most common cards, does that mean that just the first player who built the deck gets to play it and have an unfair advantage over the others? See how stupid that sounds? Or, if everyone is barred from using the most popular cards, they will just go to the following strongest cards in power level. Netdecking again, which you hate, but is not an actual problem.

I am still hoping this was a troll post, but if you think you have a groundbreaking plan to promote unique decks, I feel a bit sorry for you. Feel free to play your homebrews in casual though, eventually you will meet other bad decks or terrible players once your winrate gets squished by "netdeckers".

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If you want to be competitive, then you netdeck. You don't have to if you don't want to. If you like losing then make your own decks, but don't force other people to do the same. Some people enjoy winning.

 You are essentially saying the only way to success is to copy, and that is a losers mentality. Sit down sir.