If you guys can remember back far enough when Blizzard announced they would be switching to full expansion releases instead of rotating between expansion and adventure they originally stated that the adventure (single player content) would be INCLUDED with the expansions.
Now they are hacking off adventure content so they can once again be charging for expansion and adventure modes. Except this time the adventures don't even introduce new cards. This is straight up and intentional double dipping screwing customers. The original content release format would have 3 new releases per year rotating between adventure/expansion, now that number is increased to 6 times customers are charged.
It's fitting that they call this a Heist because that's exactly what this is.
This is completely on point. The PvE content that was supposed to be included as a free portion of each new expansion has been removed. It was popular so they've hit it with steroids and a price tag. Douche move. Had they rolled out a similar dungeon run/monster hunt freebie and also offered a new game mode that required payment, I would not have an issue with it. Instead, what they've done is completely reneged so they can, as you so aptly put it, double dip.
I think I must have missed something. Can you please point to the part of that announcement that says, "This is how things will be until the end of time, we promise on our mothers' souls and sign in blood"?
You don't seem too interested in holding them to the original model, where they charged for the adventure AND locked playable cards behind the paywall. Why isn't that announcement ironclad and forever binding?
Is it because their words only count as promises when it's in your best interest?
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We both know there is no part of the announcement that says that.
I would pay for the original model for the solo content AND locked playable cards if they went back to that.
I don't consider any of the things they say as "promises" regardless of my interests.
I have, in regards to what I see as "pseudo-new-content" with this PvE, voted with my wallet by not buying it. I will continue to do so by not purchasing pre-order bundles in the future until I see development work I consider worthy of my money again.
Frankly, there seems to be a vast difference between what I'm saying vs. what you seem to think I'm saying.
You used the word "renege," which implies you believe a promise was made. If there's no promise, there's nothing to renege on.
Kudos on denying yourself the pleasure of this adventure as you stand up for your principles, but these posts vilifying Blizzard are just overwrought and silly. No one can stop you from being pissed off, but we certainly can call you out when you publicly express illogical opinions.
By saying it's a "douche move" for a company to try to make money ... you seem to be completely unaware of what a company even is.
In the future, you should probably assume that every move any company makes is about making money. Everyone else assumes that, because it is true. When they offered adventures for free, they were not being nice. They were trying to make money by attracting new players. Now they believe these adventures have value beyond being just a free sample. It's not about making you happy or unhappy. It has always been about making money. If you were ever unaware of that, you should be mad at yourself, not at Blizzard.
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Well I have to say I've been having fun with this. The few changes to the format go a long way. New treasures and hero powers, different starting decks, the tavern, and of course a lot of new enemies has made for a surprisingly wide variety of really fresh runs for me. Still dungeon runs but fresh enough to get me back into it.
I just hope they keep evolving it and adding more RPG elements and story. That's the dream. This is definitely a step in the right direction. Let's hope they do have a new direction in mind.
I can't decide who is funnier here - the people beating the "hearthstone is dying" dead horse as hard as they can or the people who think "don't like it? then quit the game" is a valid counterpoint rather than an ultimately quite damaging stance for any game to take.
What I can say is that there's precious little of value here for people deciding if they want to invest in this adventure. As someone who generally loves the solo content and actually bought every solo expansion to date with cash I was very underwhelmed by the first wing. I was really hoping people would have some useful feedback on if the second wing is an improvement worth paying for or just more of the same.
more of the same, the one annoying thing is that the bosses come per wing, while for example Dr has 50 unique bosses or something like that (granted some of them are "repeats" of the same boss with a weaker/stronger deck depending on at what point of the run you face him) Dalaran heist is 75 bosses but they're locked behind each chapter which means, if you only have the first wing you'll only be able to face like 10 bosses, while if you unlock the second wing bosses from the second chapter get added to the first chapter, and so on and so forth, ie, you wont get to fight the carousel on any of the wings if you dont own the third wing, while if you own the third wing you could possibly find the carousel in a first wing run, so in order for the content to be actually as replayable as even RR you have to have unlocked at least 3 wings to even have a decent pool of bosses to play against.
imho, it's ok if you dont get characters for free and unlock when you pay for the wings, i'm fine with anomaly mode only unlocking if you own all the wings, what i'm not fine with is with the bosses, the core gameplay of the run being locked behind a paywall
For me, it is definitely a bummer. I was looking forward to the single player content, but after wing 2 I decided not to purchase any more wings. Saw the gameplay for the rest on different youtube channels, I have no regrets whatsoever for not purchasing any other ones, quite on the contrary, I wish I had my money back for wing 2.
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In this thread you can see how hs fanboysjustify the price of this garbage. Pathetic. You pay for a thing that was free before.
You're so salty and bitter to the point that you can't even acknowledge the following solo adventures were never free:
Curse of Naxxramas
Blackrock Mountain
League of Explorers
One Night in Karazhan
In this thread you can see how low income crybabies whine about how they aren't entitled to "free content."
If you played the first chapter for free and came to the conclusion it was "garbage" then why would you care about the rest of the chapters not being free? Now answer that question without crying, lol.
It's... ok. At first it was fun. Now I'm just playing to get the rewards. There's a handful of treasures that are so much better than all the rest, the whole game really comes down to which treasures you're offered.
I consider their statement that PvE content would be free as an undertaking that they've now gone back on. Go ahead and check your dictionary again to see if that fits before you argue based on partial definitions. I'm done trying to help you see my point when you seem more interested in having an internet argument.
PvE content was free. Promise fulfilled. They never said or implied it would be that way forever.
In fact, every time they discussed the shift to free missions (the first free adventures in KFT were called "missions"), it was made very clear that they were talking specifically about something new they were trying for the Year of the Mammoth, with no mention of how things might work in future years.
You will probably feel less betrayed in your future dealings if you learn that "forever" is never a given. It is something that must be explicitly stated.
In this thread you can see how hs fanboysjustify the price of this garbage. Pathetic. You pay for a thing that was free before.
Dalaran Heist was never free before. It never existed before.
I don't get why you are so mad at people who don't mind paying for something you say you don't like or care about. No one has forced you to pay for it or play it or go anywhere near it. If it's so offensive to you, wouldn't it be better just to stop talking about it?
I don't like raw onions, but I don't go to onion farmer forums and rant about how everyone there is an idiot for buying that garbage vegetable that tastes like devil meat, and how they are doubly stupid because they could grow their own onions for free and one time I got a free onion sample at the supermarket (which I hated) so all onions everywhere should always be free even though I'd never eat them because they are gross.
You're so salty and bitter to the point that you can't even acknowledge the following solo adventures were never free:
Curse of Naxxramas
Blackrock Mountain
League of Explorers
One Night in Karazhan
In this thread you can see how low income crybabies whine about how they aren't entitled to "free content."
If you played the first chapter for free and came to the conclusion it was "garbage" then why would you care about the rest of the chapters not being free? Now answer that question without crying, lol.
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Sure, I'm a mindless drone for pointing out the precedent of solo adventures that were never free. Get over the fact Blizzard went back to a previous business model and if you don't like it then don't buy it.
You're so salty and bitter to the point that you can't even acknowledge the following solo adventures were never free:
Curse of Naxxramas
Blackrock Mountain
League of Explorers
One Night in Karazhan
In this thread you can see how low income crybabies whine about how they aren't entitled to "free content."
If you played the first chapter for free and came to the conclusion it was "garbage" then why would you care about the rest of the chapters not being free? Now answer that question without crying, lol.
Who the fuck bought Karazhan for "solo content"?? Karazhan was a one-and-done, complete dumpster fire of an adventure but we all still bought it because it gives you 100% of the cards for an entire expansion. You can't even craft those cards without buying the adventure. We're not buying solo content, we're buying the ability to play proper constructed decks
Also what is wrong with having "low income"? Are they inferior to you because they have the ability to budget their money wisely?
You're so salty and bitter to the point that you can't even acknowledge the following solo adventures were never free:
Curse of Naxxramas
Blackrock Mountain
League of Explorers
One Night in Karazhan
In this thread you can see how low income crybabies whine about how they aren't entitled to "free content."
If you played the first chapter for free and came to the conclusion it was "garbage" then why would you care about the rest of the chapters not being free? Now answer that question without crying, lol.
Who the fuck bought Karazhan for "solo content"?? Karazhan was a one-and-done, complete dumpster fire of an adventure but we all still bought it because it gives you 100% of the cards for an entire expansion. You can't even craft those cards without buying the adventure. We're not buying solo content, we're buying the ability to play proper constructed decks
Also what is wrong with having "low income"? Are they inferior to you because they have the ability to budget their money wisely?
P.S. I'm a tool who likes to cherry pick arguments.
No, you missed the entire point of my response, although your response is a very odd way to cherry pick the argument. Perhaps you should be less disingenuous and keep my response within the context it was written for. Which is this asinine retort to this thread:
In this thread you can see how hs fanboys justify the price of this garbage. Pathetic. You pay for a thing that was free before.
I never suggested or stated that anyone bought One Night in Karazhan for the "solo content", in fact, I mentioned it (along with 3 other expansions) that it was NEVER FREE. Now reread the quote above by Alex Sobol and try not to be a mental midget this time.
I never said people with low income are inferior nor is their anything wrong with it. If people want to spend their time obsessing over game to the point that they feel compelled to complain about it on a forum then that is their prerogative. If you are frugal or poor perhaps you should reevaluate your situation and how you spend your time. If you are poor then maybe you should invest in bettering yourself to get a better job and spend less time playing a game that you don't agree with. If you are frugal, then maybe you need to reevaluate why you are playing this game if you feel entitled to "free content"... that's not how Hearthstone has ever worked. The reality is people who complain about not getting "free content" either are poor, frugal or jerk offs who don't think the developers deserve to earn a paycheck to support their family. The reality is you got a chapter for free, if you didn't like it then don't buy it. No one is forcing to buy anything. And if your financial situation is that bad that you enjoy the solo adventure but can't afford it then maybe, just maybe, your biggest problem isn't a "card game."
In this thread you can see how hs fanboysjustify the price of this garbage. Pathetic. You pay for a thing that was free before.
You're so salty and bitter to the point that you can't even acknowledge the following solo adventures were never free:
Curse of Naxxramas
Blackrock Mountain
League of Explorers
One Night in Karazhan
In this thread you can see how low income crybabies whine about how they aren't entitled to "free content."
If you played the first chapter for free and came to the conclusion it was "garbage" then why would you care about the rest of the chapters not being free? Now answer that question without crying, lol.
And the following content-only, cardless adventures were never paid for:
Frozen Throne
Dungeon Run
Monster Hunt
Boom Labs
Rumble Run
All four examples of yours actually have an expansion tied to them. People would buy them for their cards and keep up with the meta. I doubt you will find a single soul who decided to buy this just so they could play Zayle in constructed. In this case, you are paying for content alone (and 12 outdated packs).
I'll say it again: the content is good, but overpriced. I don't really care if you buy overpriced stuff yourself or anyone else for that matter, but to just call people entitled or poor for shattering your delusions is where I draw the line.
If Blizzard wanted to net in some profits for solo content they could have gone for a price lower than a full adventure, because this is less than a full adventure. They could even drop the packs along with the price for all I care. All they are is a crutch to justify the full price of a solo adventure.
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I think I must have missed something. Can you please point to the part of that announcement that says, "This is how things will be until the end of time, we promise on our mothers' souls and sign in blood"?
You don't seem too interested in holding them to the original model, where they charged for the adventure AND locked playable cards behind the paywall. Why isn't that announcement ironclad and forever binding?
Is it because their words only count as promises when it's in your best interest?
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
You used the word "renege," which implies you believe a promise was made. If there's no promise, there's nothing to renege on.
Kudos on denying yourself the pleasure of this adventure as you stand up for your principles, but these posts vilifying Blizzard are just overwrought and silly. No one can stop you from being pissed off, but we certainly can call you out when you publicly express illogical opinions.
By saying it's a "douche move" for a company to try to make money ... you seem to be completely unaware of what a company even is.
In the future, you should probably assume that every move any company makes is about making money. Everyone else assumes that, because it is true. When they offered adventures for free, they were not being nice. They were trying to make money by attracting new players. Now they believe these adventures have value beyond being just a free sample. It's not about making you happy or unhappy. It has always been about making money. If you were ever unaware of that, you should be mad at yourself, not at Blizzard.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Rule #1: Never get into it with a nasty nitpicker.
Well I have to say I've been having fun with this. The few changes to the format go a long way. New treasures and hero powers, different starting decks, the tavern, and of course a lot of new enemies has made for a surprisingly wide variety of really fresh runs for me. Still dungeon runs but fresh enough to get me back into it.
I just hope they keep evolving it and adding more RPG elements and story. That's the dream. This is definitely a step in the right direction. Let's hope they do have a new direction in mind.
I look at it as 1300 gold for tons of content because of the 15 packs.
more of the same, the one annoying thing is that the bosses come per wing, while for example Dr has 50 unique bosses or something like that (granted some of them are "repeats" of the same boss with a weaker/stronger deck depending on at what point of the run you face him) Dalaran heist is 75 bosses but they're locked behind each chapter which means, if you only have the first wing you'll only be able to face like 10 bosses, while if you unlock the second wing bosses from the second chapter get added to the first chapter, and so on and so forth, ie, you wont get to fight the carousel on any of the wings if you dont own the third wing, while if you own the third wing you could possibly find the carousel in a first wing run, so in order for the content to be actually as replayable as even RR you have to have unlocked at least 3 wings to even have a decent pool of bosses to play against.
imho, it's ok if you dont get characters for free and unlock when you pay for the wings, i'm fine with anomaly mode only unlocking if you own all the wings, what i'm not fine with is with the bosses, the core gameplay of the run being locked behind a paywall
12* packs.
Still don’t see how Dalaran hiest is bummer.
For me, it is definitely a bummer. I was looking forward to the single player content, but after wing 2 I decided not to purchase any more wings.
Saw the gameplay for the rest on different youtube channels, I have no regrets whatsoever for not purchasing any other ones, quite on the contrary, I wish I had my money back for wing 2.
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In this thread you can see how hs fanboys justify the price of this garbage. Pathetic. You pay for a thing that was free before.
One day this game will stop existing. I can't wait.
They are worse than apple fans lol
You're so salty and bitter to the point that you can't even acknowledge the following solo adventures were never free:
In this thread you can see how low income crybabies whine about how they aren't entitled to "free content."
If you played the first chapter for free and came to the conclusion it was "garbage" then why would you care about the rest of the chapters not being free? Now answer that question without crying, lol.
It's... ok. At first it was fun. Now I'm just playing to get the rewards. There's a handful of treasures that are so much better than all the rest, the whole game really comes down to which treasures you're offered.
OmegaLUL
PvE content was free. Promise fulfilled. They never said or implied it would be that way forever.
In fact, every time they discussed the shift to free missions (the first free adventures in KFT were called "missions"), it was made very clear that they were talking specifically about something new they were trying for the Year of the Mammoth, with no mention of how things might work in future years.
You will probably feel less betrayed in your future dealings if you learn that "forever" is never a given. It is something that must be explicitly stated.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Dalaran Heist was never free before. It never existed before.
I don't get why you are so mad at people who don't mind paying for something you say you don't like or care about. No one has forced you to pay for it or play it or go anywhere near it. If it's so offensive to you, wouldn't it be better just to stop talking about it?
I don't like raw onions, but I don't go to onion farmer forums and rant about how everyone there is an idiot for buying that garbage vegetable that tastes like devil meat, and how they are doubly stupid because they could grow their own onions for free and one time I got a free onion sample at the supermarket (which I hated) so all onions everywhere should always be free even though I'd never eat them because they are gross.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Sure, I'm a mindless drone for pointing out the precedent of solo adventures that were never free. Get over the fact Blizzard went back to a previous business model and if you don't like it then don't buy it.
Who the fuck bought Karazhan for "solo content"?? Karazhan was a one-and-done, complete dumpster fire of an adventure but we all still bought it because it gives you 100% of the cards for an entire expansion. You can't even craft those cards without buying the adventure. We're not buying solo content, we're buying the ability to play proper constructed decks
Also what is wrong with having "low income"? Are they inferior to you because they have the ability to budget their money wisely?
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No, you missed the entire point of my response, although your response is a very odd way to cherry pick the argument. Perhaps you should be less disingenuous and keep my response within the context it was written for. Which is this asinine retort to this thread:
I never suggested or stated that anyone bought One Night in Karazhan for the "solo content", in fact, I mentioned it (along with 3 other expansions) that it was NEVER FREE. Now reread the quote above by Alex Sobol and try not to be a mental midget this time.
I never said people with low income are inferior nor is their anything wrong with it. If people want to spend their time obsessing over game to the point that they feel compelled to complain about it on a forum then that is their prerogative. If you are frugal or poor perhaps you should reevaluate your situation and how you spend your time. If you are poor then maybe you should invest in bettering yourself to get a better job and spend less time playing a game that you don't agree with. If you are frugal, then maybe you need to reevaluate why you are playing this game if you feel entitled to "free content"... that's not how Hearthstone has ever worked. The reality is people who complain about not getting "free content" either are poor, frugal or jerk offs who don't think the developers deserve to earn a paycheck to support their family. The reality is you got a chapter for free, if you didn't like it then don't buy it. No one is forcing to buy anything. And if your financial situation is that bad that you enjoy the solo adventure but can't afford it then maybe, just maybe, your biggest problem isn't a "card game."And the following content-only, cardless adventures were never paid for:
All four examples of yours actually have an expansion tied to them. People would buy them for their cards and keep up with the meta. I doubt you will find a single soul who decided to buy this just so they could play Zayle in constructed. In this case, you are paying for content alone (and 12 outdated packs).
I'll say it again: the content is good, but overpriced. I don't really care if you buy overpriced stuff yourself or anyone else for that matter, but to just call people entitled or poor for shattering your delusions is where I draw the line.
If Blizzard wanted to net in some profits for solo content they could have gone for a price lower than a full adventure, because this is less than a full adventure. They could even drop the packs along with the price for all I care. All they are is a crutch to justify the full price of a solo adventure.
Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health.
- Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished