Leeroy Jenkins on its own is fine. The problem arises from cards that enable you to do 15 and more damage from hand in one turn. In that senseWaggle Pick, shadow step and Raiding Party are way more problematic since they enable this bursts.
I think if the game can tolerate Fireball then it can also deal with Mr. Jenkins. I just try to think of it as a neutral fireball instead of a charge minion and that helps a bit.
You can't bounce a fireball, true, but Fireballs can shoot over Taunt minons.
I don't think it is really a problem, more of a feels bad type of thing.
Lol leeroy is one of the best Cards for aggro or tempo decks. Both archtypes were super bad the last few expantions. Leeroy is nessesary to keep aggro alive. You should rather complain about Zilliax. This card is super op and in way more decks then Leeroy. Even on his best times. Why you dont want to Hall of Fame the most played Card in the game before you HoF the good old Leeroy?
Leeroy Jenkins on its own is fine. The problem arises from cards that enable you to do 15 and more damage from hand in one turn. In that senseWaggle Pick, shadow step and Raiding Party are way more problematic since they enable this bursts.
Yes, but i think the center of the problem is Waggle Pick. It is "okay" without any other card.
shadow step is a dead card in a top deck situation.
Lol leeroy is one of the best Cards for aggro or tempo decks. Both archtypes were super bad the last few expantions. Leeroy is nessesary to keep aggro alive. You should rather complain about Zilliax. This card is super op and in way more decks then Leeroy. Even on his best times. Why you dont want to Hall of Fame the most played Card in the game before you HoF the good old Leeroy?
This guy gets it. Zilliax is absolutely on the same power level for Control decks as Leeroy is for aggro and midrange, if not more so. As everyone else said, Leeroy is not the issue, it's the cards that Rogue possesses right now that make it better. If they HOF Leeroy, or even nerf him somehow, then you will be complaining about how OP Reckless Rocketeer is in Rogue.
The problem is not Leeroy, it's Raiding Party and Wagle Pick... BUT... Leeroy is kinda also the problem if Blizzard is determined to keep printing bounce/mana reduction cards because let's be real Leeroy is card that shouldn't be bounced+mana reduced. Just to recap, 2 swings of waggle pick + the Leeroy bounce is 20dmg and still leaves mana for stuff like Cold Bloods or Evis. The whole reason Blizzard created Rush cards and stopped printing charge cards was to put an end to all this crazy bust damage from an empty board, it's not fun and it's not interactive since we can't put minions into defense position like other CCGs. The real truth is, Charge is simply a bad mechanic in this game because of it's design. Rush is good, Charge is not. That's why they got rid of the other powerful Charge cards, Leeroy's the last remnant and it does really need to go to HoF now. The people who want it to stay aren't taking into account how much it limits design space for Rogue on bounce cards that Blizzard might want to print in the future.
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So funny how people are whining all the time about Different cards every day. But leeroy is definitely not a Problem in this game.
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Fuck Leeroy. For the og meme card he has stolen far too many games from just me let alone everyone else who plays this game.
Kill it with fire and then kill it some more
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people acting like they never played vs miracle rogue deck in the past - every miracle rogue deck was running leeroy... shadowstep/cold blood combo...
in fact every aggro deck, including murloc ones, were and still run leeroy
butt leeroy is not the problem in current rogue decks
its the very good peel the deck has before you get finished by leeroy...
The levels of salt are palpable.
Release the Kraken!
The problem is consistently getting multiple Leeroys with stuff like Waggle Pick and Shadowstep.
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He might be annoying to see as a finisher, but I wouldn't say he is the major problem.
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Leeroy Jenkins on its own is fine. The problem arises from cards that enable you to do 15 and more damage from hand in one turn. In that senseWaggle Pick, shadow step and Raiding Party are way more problematic since they enable this bursts.
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Leave fucking Leeroy alone. NERF ROGUE
I think if the game can tolerate Fireball then it can also deal with Mr. Jenkins. I just try to think of it as a neutral fireball instead of a charge minion and that helps a bit.
You can't bounce a fireball, true, but Fireballs can shoot over Taunt minons.
I don't think it is really a problem, more of a feels bad type of thing.
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Lol leeroy is one of the best Cards for aggro or tempo decks. Both archtypes were super bad the last few expantions. Leeroy is nessesary to keep aggro alive. You should rather complain about Zilliax. This card is super op and in way more decks then Leeroy. Even on his best times. Why you dont want to Hall of Fame the most played Card in the game before you HoF the good old Leeroy?
Yes, but i think the center of the problem is Waggle Pick. It is "okay" without any other card.
shadow step is a dead card in a top deck situation.
This guy gets it. Zilliax is absolutely on the same power level for Control decks as Leeroy is for aggro and midrange, if not more so. As everyone else said, Leeroy is not the issue, it's the cards that Rogue possesses right now that make it better. If they HOF Leeroy, or even nerf him somehow, then you will be complaining about how OP Reckless Rocketeer is in Rogue.
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No, control decks can't use Leeroy. Currently not even zoolock runs Leeroy. It's just great for Pirate Rogues, but that's a bursty deck anyway.
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hes fine, its just the package hes included in.
Hes still my favorite legend since rag from og.
Knowing actiblizz/team 5 they will hof him because CHARGE IS BAD GO TO SHADOW REALM
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Honestly, I agree with everyone else in this thread. Leeroy is not the problem, but a symptom of the problem of waggle pick + raiding party.
The problem is not Leeroy, it's Raiding Party and Wagle Pick... BUT... Leeroy is kinda also the problem if Blizzard is determined to keep printing bounce/mana reduction cards because let's be real Leeroy is card that shouldn't be bounced+mana reduced. Just to recap, 2 swings of waggle pick + the Leeroy bounce is 20dmg and still leaves mana for stuff like Cold Bloods or Evis. The whole reason Blizzard created Rush cards and stopped printing charge cards was to put an end to all this crazy bust damage from an empty board, it's not fun and it's not interactive since we can't put minions into defense position like other CCGs. The real truth is, Charge is simply a bad mechanic in this game because of it's design. Rush is good, Charge is not. That's why they got rid of the other powerful Charge cards, Leeroy's the last remnant and it does really need to go to HoF now. The people who want it to stay aren't taking into account how much it limits design space for Rogue on bounce cards that Blizzard might want to print in the future.