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Quote from Triskaidekaphilia »

This topic comes up repeatedly. At this point I feel like there are seven rules to Hearthstone etiquette, and they pretty much all pertain to regulating ones own behavior and have no bearing on the other person's behavior whatsoever:

1. Do not intentionally stall the game. This includes things like intentionally waiting until the timer runs down, or watching a show on another screen "between" moves.
2. Do not spam emotes. You only need to use "Greeting" once per game. You should never need to use Sorry more than once per turn. And generally speaking you really shouldn't emote more than once or twice per turn.
3. Do not use your emotes to mock. You cannot control how other people interpret your emotes, but you can control how you use them. Only use "Well Played" when you mean it. Only use "Thank You" when you mean it. Etc. An occasional "bluff" emote is acceptable, but using emotes as distraction, irritant, or mockery is not.
4. End your games as you would like them ended. If it irritates you when someone plays out their whole hand at the end of a game... do not play out your whole hand at the end of the game. If it irritates you when someone uses the "Well Played" emote after shutting you out, do not use the "Well Played" emote when you shut someone else out. Different people have different preferences and you will not be able to accommodate them all - so make sure you stay true to your own preferences.
5. Do not assume ill will. You will probably notice that all of my advice is about minding one's own behavior. That's all you can really control: that emote you thought was sarcastic may have been intentional; that end game stall might be the last minion someone needs to complete a daily; that slow play could be the result of a broken internet connection.
6. Do not message someone to trash talk. I don't care how many Miracle Rogues or Zoo Decks you've seen, if you friend someone after a match, it had better be to say "good game," or "thank you," or to complement them on something innovative about their play or deck. Do not tell them how they're just a scrub/a net-decker/a cheap, filthy whatever epitaph comes to mind right now. They're playing this game for fun, just like you.
7. Do not take revenge. If you use bad manners (BM) as a way to retaliate against a perceived violation of one of the previous rules, then there will be exactly one person who you know is being rude: you.

 

This is fantastic :)

Quote from TouchedSage »

Once upon a time in beta....

People greeted at the start of the game.

People said 'Well Played' at the end of the game.

Everyone understood this was good manners and didn't QQ about it.

Not sure what has happened since.

When the game was still in beta, people were excited to play. There was no subculture coming from streamers yet since the most proliferative ones advocated good manners. The concept of "BM" is not new, it is in nearly every massively multiplayer game ever, so when you introduce a large variety of players into this environment, many will be disrespectful, meanwhile those who are genuine about their "well played" will, too, be branded as trolls.

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I don't know if someone has proposed this already, but the "squelch" option should be included in the configuration's preferences, to avoid the loss of time of squelching every player before the match starts, as I do to avoid stupid things.

And sorry for the nice people... If I forget to squelch, I always react as a mirror. If my adversary is stupid, I act as a mindless stupid too. But If my adversary is correct, I'm polite.

Would be an improvement in the game to simply implement a permanent squelch option. I consider this a strategy game, perhaps with too many random effects. But never a game to play like an idiot, trying to do things to disturb the opponent. Some people (and I'm not refering at the kids that obviously act like kids) don't understand that the "psychological" factors of the strategic games are in the way you play your cards, trying to "trick" your opponent with some innovative moves, putting a "lure" in the playtable, etc. To be dishonest or idiot isn't brilliant, it's so simply as hard to understand for some people.

An always on squelch option is a GREAT idea!  It could actually curve some of the emote abuse, if people think they are always on squelch they may just abandon the emote idea all together. 

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Judging of your long answers you were at least bothered by it, but getting back to the subject. I still think the emotes work as they should, in fact I think they should expand it with an optional chat which you can choose to join if you want a better conversation during the match. I am not a hardcore player, I just log in and do my daily challenges and then quit but sometimes I want to talk a bit to the opponent. Spice up the some of the "boring" matches.

I typically post long responses.  It doesn't really indicate anything aside from I like to be verbose when I speak/write.  As for spicing it up when playing matches. I agree with you there, I wouldn't be opposed to a full blown "Chat" function during matches.  Maybe you could send a chat request to the individual and if they accepted you could then chat.  In this way you avoid any sort of "unwanted" communication.  If both parties accept then they both accept the outcome of the conversation whatever it may end up being.

Alternately, the emote problem is FAR worse on ladder.  I can play casual games all day and not see it but a handful of times. Same with arena, I did 8 arenas last week and they were all very pleasant. Emotes that only fit the EXACT speed at the game at the time it was used. And all around pleasant experience.  But the ladder is toxic, and I assume it's due to the competitive nature of things and to a point it is unavoidable.  I just find it frustrating when it's rubbed in my face that they beat me with no trouble and they want to make sure that I know it.  Look I get it, I lost you won, your deck was better then mine, etc... let's just both be civil about it and move on.  But sadly that's to much to ask in many situations on the ladder.

i always squelch opponent, always

It's just one of the "do whatever i can to win" policy.

what i lack in card strength and play skills i try to make up in mind games.

dropping a mediocre minion and emote "threaten" 3 times within the next 1 minute usually baits their hard removal.

same can be done to bait board wipes.

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Judging of your long answers you were at least bothered by it, but getting back to the subject. I still think the emotes work as they should, in fact I think they should expand it with an optional chat which you can choose to join if you want a better conversation during the match. I am not a hardcore player, I just log in and do my daily challenges and then quit but sometimes I want to talk a bit to the opponent. Spice up the some of the "boring" matches.

I typically post long responses.  It doesn't really indicate anything aside from I like to be verbose when I speak/write.  As for spicing it up when playing matches. I agree with you there, I wouldn't be opposed to a full blown "Chat" function during matches.  Maybe you could send a chat request to the individual and if they accepted you could then chat.  In this way you avoid any sort of "unwanted" communication.  If both parties accept then they both accept the outcome of the conversation whatever it may end up being.

Alternately, the emote problem is FAR worse on ladder.  I can play casual games all day and not see it but a handful of times. Same with arena, I did 8 arenas last week and they were all very pleasant. Emotes that only fit the EXACT speed at the game at the time it was used. And all around pleasant experience.  But the ladder is toxic, and I assume it's due to the competitive nature of things and to a point it is unavoidable.  I just find it frustrating when it's rubbed in my face that they beat me with no trouble and they want to make sure that I know it.  Look I get it, I lost you won, your deck was better then mine, etc... let's just both be civil about it and move on.  But sadly that's to much to ask in many situations on the ladder.

How dare they say "well played" after you lost? That's like the worst things that one could say to another human being over a card game!

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Quote from TheAlmightyLalle »

Judging of your long answers you were at least bothered by it, but getting back to the subject. I still think the emotes work as they should, in fact I think they should expand it with an optional chat which you can choose to join if you want a better conversation during the match. I am not a hardcore player, I just log in and do my daily challenges and then quit but sometimes I want to talk a bit to the opponent. Spice up the some of the "boring" matches.

I typically post long responses.  It doesn't really indicate anything aside from I like to be verbose when I speak/write.  As for spicing it up when playing matches. I agree with you there, I wouldn't be opposed to a full blown "Chat" function during matches.  Maybe you could send a chat request to the individual and if they accepted you could then chat.  In this way you avoid any sort of "unwanted" communication.  If both parties accept then they both accept the outcome of the conversation whatever it may end up being.

Alternately, the emote problem is FAR worse on ladder.  I can play casual games all day and not see it but a handful of times. Same with arena, I did 8 arenas last week and they were all very pleasant. Emotes that only fit the EXACT speed at the game at the time it was used. And all around pleasant experience.  But the ladder is toxic, and I assume it's due to the competitive nature of things and to a point it is unavoidable.  I just find it frustrating when it's rubbed in my face that they beat me with no trouble and they want to make sure that I know it.  Look I get it, I lost you won, your deck was better then mine, etc... let's just both be civil about it and move on.  But sadly that's to much to ask in many situations on the ladder.

How dare they say "well played" after you lost? That's like the worst things that one could say to another human being over a card game!

Again, someone that misses the point.  The "well Played" argument is more about when they do it simply to mock you for beating you.  Let me give you an example since you seem jaded on the topic.

I have below 10 health.  I pass my turn thinking I'm going to lose but miracles do happen.  My opponent knows he's going to win. But before he just does lethal, he's going to say "well played", play EVERYTHING in his hand (even though he clearly has lethal without doing so), just as a display of dominance.  He'll attack you down to 1 health, making sure he attacks as many times as possible just to set you at that 1 health.  Then he'll "well played" again, and then FINALLY he'll just end it.

It's not a polite gesture when you act like a douche bag while using it.  If you have lethal, nothing needs said, just hit lethal and let it go. 

 Imagine if your opponents were aware it bothered you enough to make posts like these. They would likely be ecstatic.

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Judging of your long answers you were at least bothered by it, but getting back to the subject. I still think the emotes work as they should, in fact I think they should expand it with an optional chat which you can choose to join if you want a better conversation during the match. I am not a hardcore player, I just log in and do my daily challenges and then quit but sometimes I want to talk a bit to the opponent. Spice up the some of the "boring" matches.

I typically post long responses.  It doesn't really indicate anything aside from I like to be verbose when I speak/write.  As for spicing it up when playing matches. I agree with you there, I wouldn't be opposed to a full blown "Chat" function during matches.  Maybe you could send a chat request to the individual and if they accepted you could then chat.  In this way you avoid any sort of "unwanted" communication.  If both parties accept then they both accept the outcome of the conversation whatever it may end up being.

Alternately, the emote problem is FAR worse on ladder.  I can play casual games all day and not see it but a handful of times. Same with arena, I did 8 arenas last week and they were all very pleasant. Emotes that only fit the EXACT speed at the game at the time it was used. And all around pleasant experience.  But the ladder is toxic, and I assume it's due to the competitive nature of things and to a point it is unavoidable.  I just find it frustrating when it's rubbed in my face that they beat me with no trouble and they want to make sure that I know it.  Look I get it, I lost you won, your deck was better then mine, etc... let's just both be civil about it and move on.  But sadly that's to much to ask in many situations on the ladder.

How dare they say "well played" after you lost? That's like the worst things that one could say to another human being over a card game!

Again, someone that misses the point.  The "well Played" argument is more about when they do it simply to mock you for beating you.  Let me give you an example since you seem jaded on the topic.

I have below 10 health.  I pass my turn thinking I'm going to lose but miracles do happen.  My opponent knows he's going to win. But before he just does lethal, he's going to say "well played", play EVERYTHING in his hand (even though he clearly has lethal without doing so), just as a display of dominance.  He'll attack you down to 1 health, making sure he attacks as many times as possible just to set you at that 1 health.  Then he'll "well played" again, and then FINALLY he'll just end it.

It's not a polite gesture when you act like a douche bag while using it.  If you have lethal, nothing needs said, just hit lethal and let it go. 

Maybe he really felt that you played very well. Have more confidence in your skills.

or, since you didn't compliment him on his plays, he feels like he needs a pat on the shoulder so he is complimenting himself. You can prevent this awkwardness by giving credit when credit is due and emote "well played" to him.

you can't see the face of the person playing. To assume the worst of him is a reflection on yourself. Perhaps if you weren't so malicious in nature you wouldn't suspect others of being like that.

well played.

plus, if he has lethal on board and you chose to let him reduce your health to 1 by attacking multiple times instead of just conceding, he is right to assume that you don't really value your time as much, so he has every right to take as much time as he likes.

When he has lethal on board and you have not conceded, i'm not sure what kind of "miracle" you are hoping for. A mis-attack perhaps? if you have not conceded in hopes of a "miracles", i'm sure you don't mind waiting the full turn for him to miss his attack so that you survive. It's unfair that you don't mind waiting a turn for him to miss his attack but when he takes a full turn to deliver his attack, you come into the forums for QQ Therapy.

Again, well played.

I've gotten in the habit of greeting at the beginning of games, then squelching.  It sacrifices possible fun times to be had, but it certainly eliminates the worst.

The trumped up excuses for how or why this is acceptable are just that. Trumped up reasons with little to no merit IMO.  We all know people do it do be rude more often then they do it to be polite.  

Reasons for playing out the hand at the end of a game.

1. Completing a Quest (The Meek Shall Inherit, Only the Mighty, and Spell Master all require X number of card plays)
2. Tipping your hand (often seen as a courtesy in casual meatspace games)
3. Proving that you didn't have a 'dumb luck' topdeck win
4. Being unsure of the math
5. Bad Manners

What BM certainly does occur, so do the other four.

As for only saying "Well Played" when you win - there's often not enough time to emote when you're going to lose (and/or there is a chance of a misplay and you don't want to tip your opponent off to the fact that they have lethal).

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Reasons for playing out the hand at the end of a game.

1. Completing a Quest (The Meek Shall Inherit, Only the Mighty, and Spell Master all require X number of card plays)
2. Tipping your hand (often seen as a courtesy in casual meatspace games)
3. Proving that you didn't have a 'dumb luck' topdeck win
4. Being unsure of the math
5. Bad Manners

What BM certainly does occur, so do the other four.

As for only saying "Well Played" when you win - there's often not enough time to emote when you're going to lose (and/or there is a chance of a misplay and you don't want to tip your opponent off to the fact that they have lethal).

Also XP, the more cards you play, damage you deal and minions you destroy; the more XP you get.

I don't BM (too much) on Ladder, unless it's a really close game or they are spamming emotes. I do like to flare a little in Arena though. (currently I have a deck with BGH and TBK...praying for the dream!)

What does kinda bug me is if I have clearly won the game, yet the opponent spams emotes, waits for the rope, plays all his cards, then concedes. I just laugh as I'm scouring this forum or doing something else on my dual screen setup. =P

Quote from acelee62 »

I don't BM (too much) on Ladder, unless it's a really close game or they are spamming emotes. I do like to flare a little in Arena though. (currently I have a deck with BGH and TBK...praying for the dream!)

What does kinda bug me is if I have clearly won the game, yet the opponent spams emotes, waits for the rope, plays all his cards, then concedes. I just laugh as I'm scouring this forum or doing something else on my dual screen setup. =P

That's a good point. And since i'll have tri-screens soon I can do 100 other things when someone is BMing

losing is fun

Why has nobody commented on how presumptuous this thread title is? Such BM.

I feel too OP, I feel too.

Interesting opinions here.  I have mixed feelings myself.  I usually try to assume good faith with other peoples' emotes, unless it's obvious that they're trolling.  You have to play these things by ear; sometimes I can tell by the flow of the game that the emotes are all in good fun, although my perception of that does depend on my mood to some extent.

My one pet peeve that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned is "Thank You" spam.  When I make a move and my opponent says "Thank You" as in, "Thank you for making such a poor play and helping my odds of winning."  For some reason this drives me apoplectic and turns me into a supremely vindictive arsehole.  Nothing is more satisfying than pulling out a game where some smarmy, cocky douchewaffle has been "thanking" me for making moves he deems unwise.