I never said they were problematic. But judging by Blizzard's recent track record, it's almost certain they'll make adjustments at some point in this expansion. This thread was meant to toss out ideas of what the devs might target with their adjustments.
I don't understand why these specific cards would be brought up.
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Walking fountain isn’t OP’d, it just tilts aggro players greatly. There are no tier 1 mid or late game shaman decks but your proposed needs would certainly make some tier 3 and 4 decks.
out of your proposed nerf targets I see miscreant and Zillax as the only potential targets. I see the Dr. Boom hero card as the likely nerf candidate over the minion.
This, they don't nerf cards just to shake things up.
Tell that to all the people who whined when Equality got nerfed to 4 Mana.
the nerfed equality so that they could have more space to make more AOE spells for paladin.
there were no meta paladin decks that were there because of equality, so if they were to make nerfs just for the sake of shaking things up, then they would not have picked equality.
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This, they don't nerf cards just to shake things up.
Tell that to all the people who whined when Equality got nerfed to 4 Mana.
New design team, different ideas of value. They reduced the power creep in this rotation and decided that equality would be OP’d at the 2 mana cost. One might argue it should have gone to 3 instead of 4 but it made using cards like Shrink Ray more viable.
It wasn’t to ‘shake things up.’ Just a different lead who disagreed with the old in terms of the value of this card.
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IMO the meta us really good and I won't complain if there isn't any balance change (maybe a bit tedious the same meta for 4 months). but, in seek of changes:
Rogue problem isn't lackeys, is the strong card draw in a tempo deck: Preparation (reduce 2 mana or HoF) and Raiding Party (4 mana); maybe Van Cleef 1 more mana or 1 less stats gainend.
No complains about shaman, ZIlliax and Vargoth.
Warrior problem is the hero card, no idea how to nerf that, but it really deserves.
The only reason Equality was nerfed to 4 mana instead of 3 was because of Baku the Mooneater. it wasnt to mix things up. the card was OP by itself and a 4 mana clear everything combo with no counter should not exist. People whined about it because it seemed so drastic, but it was also because of Baku the Mooneater still being a problem in standard.
Why this sudden thought that Zilliax will be Nerfed? He's easily the best card ever released. Not a problem to deal with, well statted, fair and available to every Class. What's the issue?
As for the others, Edwin VanCleef should not be Nerfed because of some new releases. Although if it was a choice between Nerf and HoF I'll take a Nerf. Maybe +2/+1 instead? That'll keep him a threat on the board whilst making him easier to kill.
EVIL Miscreant is a victim of a new decks success. Which sucks but can't be helped. Still, maybe dropping the life total to 3 or 4 would work well.
The only reason Equality was nerfed to 4 mana instead of 3 was because of Baku the Mooneater. it wasnt to mix things up. the card was OP by itself and a 4 mana clear everything combo with no counter should not exist. People whined about it because it seemed so drastic, but it was also because of Baku the Mooneater still being a problem in standard.
*sigh* why do people think that equality was nerfed to 4 because of baku? blizzard new that baku would be rotating soon anyway, so it would not affect how they nerf cards.
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Zilliax Remove lifesteal already, its almost an auto include because of it.
Waggle Pick Change to a 3/2 weapon. This removes the turn 4 prep, raiding party, waggle into 2 3/3 taunts with high consistency.
EVIL Miscreant Either change the combo to One lackey added, or nerf the health to 3.
Dr. Boom, Mad Genius Giving all your mechs rush is Too strong. Hopefully They don't gut it too hard as the declined play-rate of rogue will soft nerf warriors anyways.
Missile Launcher Make it deal damage all characters so hunters cant use it as permanent board clear via Venomizer. Its too punishing for decks that lack hard removal.
The only reason Equality was nerfed to 4 mana instead of 3 was because of Baku the Mooneater. it wasnt to mix things up. the card was OP by itself and a 4 mana clear everything combo with no counter should not exist. People whined about it because it seemed so drastic, but it was also because of Baku the Mooneater still being a problem in standard.
*sigh* why do people think that equality was nerfed to 4 because of baku? blizzard new that baku would be rotating soon anyway, so it would not affect how they nerf cards.
You really think they had set in stone that baku was rotating out when they did equality nerf?
sure they were probably testing the idea and maybe asked themselves "how would this work if baku did not exist?". but that change was not going to happen for another few months. it does affect how they nerf cards, even if they dont care to admit that they are nerfing cards around a blunder.
The only reason Equality was nerfed to 4 mana instead of 3 was because of Baku the Mooneater. it wasnt to mix things up. the card was OP by itself and a 4 mana clear everything combo with no counter should not exist. People whined about it because it seemed so drastic, but it was also because of Baku the Mooneater still being a problem in standard.
*sigh* why do people think that equality was nerfed to 4 because of baku? blizzard new that baku would be rotating soon anyway, so it would not affect how they nerf cards.
You really think they had set in stone that baku was rotating out when they did equality nerf?
sure they were probably testing the idea and maybe asked themselves "how would this work if baku did not exist?". but that change was not going to happen for another few months. it does affect how they nerf cards, even if they dont care to admit that they are nerfing cards around a blunder.
they did not nerf a card because of another card existed that might not even be around in a couple of months.
if they were thinking about rotating baku then they would nerf cards around him. you know how slow blizzard can be when it comes to nerfs and changes, so I dont think they would have made that kind of decision.
also, they plan about a year in advance. so I think they would have decided by now whether or not baku would get nerfed.
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I find it hard to believe the number of threads saying that Zilliax needs to be nerfed. Being very popular does not make it overpowered. It's a very good card, to be sure, but definitely undeserving of a nerf.
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I don't understand why these specific cards would be brought up.
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Walking fountain isn’t OP’d, it just tilts aggro players greatly. There are no tier 1 mid or late game shaman decks but your proposed needs would certainly make some tier 3 and 4 decks.
out of your proposed nerf targets I see miscreant and Zillax as the only potential targets. I see the Dr. Boom hero card as the likely nerf candidate over the minion.
This, they don't nerf cards just to shake things up.
Tell that to all the people who whined when Equality got nerfed to 4 Mana.
the nerfed equality so that they could have more space to make more AOE spells for paladin.
there were no meta paladin decks that were there because of equality, so if they were to make nerfs just for the sake of shaking things up, then they would not have picked equality.
Rejoice, for even in death, you have become children of Thanos.
New design team, different ideas of value. They reduced the power creep in this rotation and decided that equality would be OP’d at the 2 mana cost. One might argue it should have gone to 3 instead of 4 but it made using cards like Shrink Ray more viable.
It wasn’t to ‘shake things up.’ Just a different lead who disagreed with the old in terms of the value of this card.
IMO the meta us really good and I won't complain if there isn't any balance change (maybe a bit tedious the same meta for 4 months). but, in seek of changes:
Rogue problem isn't lackeys, is the strong card draw in a tempo deck: Preparation (reduce 2 mana or HoF) and Raiding Party (4 mana); maybe Van Cleef 1 more mana or 1 less stats gainend.
No complains about shaman, ZIlliax and Vargoth.
Warrior problem is the hero card, no idea how to nerf that, but it really deserves.
The only reason Equality was nerfed to 4 mana instead of 3 was because of Baku the Mooneater. it wasnt to mix things up. the card was OP by itself and a 4 mana clear everything combo with no counter should not exist. People whined about it because it seemed so drastic, but it was also because of Baku the Mooneater still being a problem in standard.
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Why this sudden thought that Zilliax will be Nerfed? He's easily the best card ever released. Not a problem to deal with, well statted, fair and available to every Class. What's the issue?
As for the others, Edwin VanCleef should not be Nerfed because of some new releases. Although if it was a choice between Nerf and HoF I'll take a Nerf. Maybe +2/+1 instead? That'll keep him a threat on the board whilst making him easier to kill.
EVIL Miscreant is a victim of a new decks success. Which sucks but can't be helped. Still, maybe dropping the life total to 3 or 4 would work well.
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*sigh* why do people think that equality was nerfed to 4 because of baku? blizzard new that baku would be rotating soon anyway, so it would not affect how they nerf cards.
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I would love to see 5 cards get nerfed.
Zilliax Remove lifesteal already, its almost an auto include because of it.
Waggle Pick Change to a 3/2 weapon. This removes the turn 4 prep, raiding party, waggle into 2 3/3 taunts with high consistency.
EVIL Miscreant Either change the combo to One lackey added, or nerf the health to 3.
Dr. Boom, Mad Genius Giving all your mechs rush is Too strong. Hopefully They don't gut it too hard as the declined play-rate of rogue will soft nerf warriors anyways.
Missile Launcher Make it deal damage all characters so hunters cant use it as permanent board clear via Venomizer. Its too punishing for decks that lack hard removal.
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pls just nerf the kids on this site that are screaming nerf this and that
Why don't I turn this thread around and make everyone happy :). Since everyone is so against the idea of nerfs, how about we do buffs instead.
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You really think they had set in stone that baku was rotating out when they did equality nerf?
sure they were probably testing the idea and maybe asked themselves "how would this work if baku did not exist?". but that change was not going to happen for another few months. it does affect how they nerf cards, even if they dont care to admit that they are nerfing cards around a blunder.
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I didn't scream about nerfs, I simply was throwing out potential cards that might get hit when Blizzard inevitably does the expansion balance patch.
they did not nerf a card because of another card existed that might not even be around in a couple of months.
if they were thinking about rotating baku then they would nerf cards around him. you know how slow blizzard can be when it comes to nerfs and changes, so I dont think they would have made that kind of decision.
also, they plan about a year in advance. so I think they would have decided by now whether or not baku would get nerfed.
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I find it hard to believe the number of threads saying that Zilliax needs to be nerfed. Being very popular does not make it overpowered. It's a very good card, to be sure, but definitely undeserving of a nerf.
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Nerf threads need a nerf. I'm seeing them pop up way too much on the ladder.