The new expansion has been running just for few weeks, not even a month and many players, and streamers are asking endlessly for nerfs.
The Nerf campaign started just days after expansion came up and runs since so. I've been a HS player from the very beginning, and in my humble opinion I think the community is getting used to too fast to asking Blizzard to solve their own problems, via nerfs.
After a week the meta is not fully defined (or it shouldn't be) but the HS players seems to feel that it is over and there's no chance to deal with the meta, so ask daddy Blizzard to solve the problem. If you take a long perspective, it rarely happens that the starting set of decks in a expansion ends up ruling the meta. Even though in this meta is happening the first few weeks mech hunter was unseen, but right now seems a huge problem for everyone.
In paper MTG the community behaves in much more mature way. I understand there is no nerf chance in MTG, an any meta adaptation must be done through banning cards. But even though now there is a very powerful card in the meta (among the three best of all history of its kind power-level-wise), the community is still struggling against it, Pros, streamers and players. and almost no one is asking for bans.
The thing to blame Blizzard for, it may be to keep a short number of cards in the expansions. But I understand its position, since is not nice to tell the players that they have to pay more or they will have fewer chances to get the cards they are eager of. Nevertheless, my feeling is that Blizzard is aware of the problem and it is increasing the number of cards through the single player quest.
Finally, my opinion here is that everyone, including myself, should care more about to beat the tier 1 decks and less in whining, and spend time in enjoy to play the game that we love. The whole community should face the game a more mature game.
Just from your title and first paragraph you sound like a pompous ass. You sling hash at an entire community because of what a small percentage of members are suggesting, that automatically makes you look short sighted. Also, it is clear that at least a few cards need tuning, the statistics have said it, the meta snapshots have said it, the professional players have said it and you're just being a fanboy if you want to ignore all that and pretend Blizzard got it 100% correct and nothing needs balance. You can't shame players for suggesting balance. This is a complex game, it will forever need more balancing.
I did not even get close to insult you, and I did not try to bother anyone. I include myself in this behaviour. And it is a piece of self criticism. I am even saying there is no need of nerfs. What I say is, that happen to soon.
Finally, my opinion here is that everyone, including myself, should care more about to beat the tier 1 decks and less in whining, and spend time in enjoy to play the game that we love. The whole community should face the game a more mature game.
Makes me think: Instead of writing a post about the best ways to beat the tier 1 decks or spending time to enjoy the game, he writes a post whining about the state of the community, hereby adding to the community 'whining'.
If you dislike a particular type of post and prefer other types, it might be best to write far far less about the type you don't like and more about the type you do.
That happen in LoL too. Lot of threads in *champ..mains subreddits are asking for buffs, complaining not enough, or things like that. On top of that, dont matter when the community ask for things, it depends on blizzard to have a good timing for balance changes.
Just from your title and first paragraph you sound like a pompous ass. You sling hash at an entire community because of what a small percentage of members are suggesting, that automatically makes you look short sighted. Also, it is clear that at least a few cards need tuning, the statistics have said it, the meta snapshots have said it, the professional players have said it and you're just being a fanboy if you want to ignore all that and pretend Blizzard got it 100% correct and nothing needs balance. You can't shame players for suggesting balance. This is a complex game, it will forever need more balancing.
Aizen-sama, you have been a little bit rude. I agree with what you said, but your tone was not necessary
Thing is team5 is known for their design policy and the OP+nerf duality*.
They trained the community that way, and now the community behaves accordingly.
Overdoing it maybe, but it is a reaction made habit because of a policy that started from the devs.
*where OP maybe overpowered, over the top, entirely broken, design flaw (that becomes apparent later on). Either way their design rules are not strict enough to ensure seriously problematic cards are not released.
Thing is team5 is known for their design policy and the OP+nerf duality*.
They trained the community that way, and now the community behaves accordingly.
Overdoing it maybe, but it is a reaction made habit because of a policy that started from the devs.
*where OP maybe overpowered, over the top, entirely broken, design flaw (that becomes apparent later on). Either way their design rules are not strict enough to ensure seriously problematic cards are not released.
I believe that's a time element. MTG didn't exactly have the best of balance when it started, so there will be growing pains. And, at least in balancing, they HAVE been learning their lessons. They keep facing problems, but the problems of last year are NOT the problems from 2014 (the lasts brawl with that deathrattle hunter should be a good reminder of the game's 'glorious' past).
Blizzard probably had their "stall nerfing" mentality because of this specific reason. They would wait months before making changes. The community.....didn't like it. Note that undertaker, of that deathrattle hunter fame, not only did NOT get nerfed after Naxx but got passively BUFFED thanks to the very aggro focused mech decks of GvG, and it took till February to eventually nerf it. Imagine if Patches didn't get nerfed until JUNE instead of February, or the druid nerfs of Rumble not happening until just now.
They are experimenting with new designs and policy decisions. Some are working, some..aren't. So long as they keep listening and learning and trying and failing, they'll eventually get it right. Until then, it'll be...messy.
The community will adapt for it as well. As the rules get better and the nerfs become less required, the public will...eventually...slowly....painfully, calm down on the nerf demands.
The new expansion has been running just for few weeks, not even a month and many players, and streamers are asking endlessly for nerfs.
The Nerf campaign started just days after expansion came up and runs since so. I've been a HS player from the very beginning, and in my humble opinion I think the community is getting used to too fast to asking Blizzard to solve their own problems, via nerfs.
After a week the meta is not fully defined (or it shouldn't be) but the HS players seems to feel that it is over and there's no chance to deal with the meta, so ask daddy Blizzard to solve the problem. If you take a long perspective, it rarely happens that the starting set of decks in a expansion ends up ruling the meta. Even though in this meta is happening the first few weeks mech hunter was unseen, but right now seems a huge problem for everyone.
In paper MTG the community behaves in much more mature way. I understand there is no nerf chance in MTG, an any meta adaptation must be done through banning cards. But even though now there is a very powerful card in the meta (among the three best of all history of its kind power-level-wise), the community is still struggling against it, Pros, streamers and players. and almost no one is asking for bans.
The thing to blame Blizzard for, it may be to keep a short number of cards in the expansions. But I understand its position, since is not nice to tell the players that they have to pay more or they will have fewer chances to get the cards they are eager of. Nevertheless, my feeling is that Blizzard is aware of the problem and it is increasing the number of cards through the single player quest.
Finally, my opinion here is that everyone, including myself, should care more about to beat the tier 1 decks and less in whining, and spend time in enjoy to play the game that we love. The whole community should face the game a more mature game.
A HS player.
Just from your title and first paragraph you sound like a pompous ass. You sling hash at an entire community because of what a small percentage of members are suggesting, that automatically makes you look short sighted. Also, it is clear that at least a few cards need tuning, the statistics have said it, the meta snapshots have said it, the professional players have said it and you're just being a fanboy if you want to ignore all that and pretend Blizzard got it 100% correct and nothing needs balance. You can't shame players for suggesting balance. This is a complex game, it will forever need more balancing.
I did not even get close to insult you, and I did not try to bother anyone. I include myself in this behaviour. And it is a piece of self criticism. I am even saying there is no need of nerfs. What I say is, that happen to soon.
My English sounds too formal most likely because I am not a native speaker, I guess. Not trying to be pompous at all.
just a small bit
A post that ends with
Makes me think: Instead of writing a post about the best ways to beat the tier 1 decks or spending time to enjoy the game, he writes a post whining about the state of the community, hereby adding to the community 'whining'.
If you dislike a particular type of post and prefer other types, it might be best to write far far less about the type you don't like and more about the type you do.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
For sure, If I could, I would do it. I post the decks I am able to do. An I try everything I can. Including decks of everyone.
If "whining" bothers you, I immediately remove whining. But the whole message is the same.
Instead of attack my post, develop your opinion about the topic.
That happen in LoL too. Lot of threads in *champ..mains subreddits are asking for buffs, complaining not enough, or things like that. On top of that, dont matter when the community ask for things, it depends on blizzard to have a good timing for balance changes.
There are worse communities than Hearthstone's for your information....
Funny, op accusing the hs community of acting like a child while doing the same lmao.
I am pretty sure there are. But I try to compare HS with the communities that I consider behave better.
I'll try your deck btw.
My post is anything but childish. Even though if it were, the criticism to the community is still very fair.
Aizen-sama, you have been a little bit rude. I agree with what you said, but your tone was not necessary
Thing is team5 is known for their design policy and the OP+nerf duality*.
They trained the community that way, and now the community behaves accordingly.
Overdoing it maybe, but it is a reaction made habit because of a policy that started from the devs.
*where OP maybe overpowered, over the top, entirely broken, design flaw (that becomes apparent later on). Either way their design rules are not strict enough to ensure seriously problematic cards are not released.
I agree, the origin of all that may start in the behavior of Team5 itself. They behavior may drives the whole community, obviously.
ku-klux-klan ? may be
I agree with you community is acting like a selfish child. But not with demanding nerfs. There is so many broken cards out there.
You, uh, you're not exactly a model citizen yourself. Bitching about how everyone else bitches doesn't exactly reflect well on your argument.
Maybe you should look in a mirror. Might find that answer you're looking for.
I believe that's a time element. MTG didn't exactly have the best of balance when it started, so there will be growing pains. And, at least in balancing, they HAVE been learning their lessons. They keep facing problems, but the problems of last year are NOT the problems from 2014 (the lasts brawl with that deathrattle hunter should be a good reminder of the game's 'glorious' past).
Blizzard probably had their "stall nerfing" mentality because of this specific reason. They would wait months before making changes. The community.....didn't like it. Note that undertaker, of that deathrattle hunter fame, not only did NOT get nerfed after Naxx but got passively BUFFED thanks to the very aggro focused mech decks of GvG, and it took till February to eventually nerf it. Imagine if Patches didn't get nerfed until JUNE instead of February, or the druid nerfs of Rumble not happening until just now.
They are experimenting with new designs and policy decisions. Some are working, some..aren't. So long as they keep listening and learning and trying and failing, they'll eventually get it right. Until then, it'll be...messy.
The community will adapt for it as well. As the rules get better and the nerfs become less required, the public will...eventually...slowly....painfully, calm down on the nerf demands.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
I have already said, that this is a though that comes from my past behaviour. And that is the reason cause I include myself.