Consistent Legend Top 100 every month i'd say. So i see myself out, because i only hit Legen 44 once and then be in the dumpsters of 2000ish if i go for the legend push at all. It loses a lot of it's magic when you did it already. And it's not like we earn money or anything from it...
First of all, on message boards, you will mostly see players who play a lot and concern themselves with the game a lot. You will see many Rank 5-L players here. However, there is a HUGE number of players who are just casually playing "Casual", or play some games on Rank 20-15, or lower, or just come online for some Tavern Brawl fun, or are invisible on Ranks 50-20... those are millions. Your Rank 3000 Legend means you are one of a few thousand out of MILLIONS. Just being able to play on a competetive level with reasonable success, even reaching higher ranks, not to mention legend, is putting you way above average already, really.
You probably want to know what the "community", the vocal minority of committed, enthusiastic players considers "good". Before I get to that, I will just tell you where I'm at, so you can see for yourself whether you find my opinion worth considering, whether or not I belong to the group of people who can answer your question.
I consider myself "average" in the "hardcore player" perspective. I know some play better, I know many play worse. I know I sometimes make the wrong decision, like playing too carefully and holding cards back way too long, or going with first instinct too often instead of properly assessing what I should and shouldn't do at a given situation. I don't use Decktracker, so I can't tell you what my average winrate is. As for numbers and ranks: I can reach rank 5 and higer if I really try, which I oftentimes don't. I mostly play Casual and Tavern Brawl if I like the Brawl, and every once in a while, I try some ladder. Across the entire month, I usually spend less than 10 hours in Ranked. My highest ranks are 3 in Standard and 4 in Wild. Could I reach legend? I never tried so far. I play for over 3 years, almost daily, close to 8000 wins, and not a single golden hero - I just don't care enough.
My opinion on the subject:
Sure enough, good players will get to higher ranks or legend or high on legend faster/more likely, and there's no denying that. But not every "good" player will try as hard as others to get there, since it still takes a lot of time and the right mindset and patience to go through that process.
I think the playstyle and attitude, not necessarily the accomplishments, make a player "good". Not everyone can be champion or Rank 1 Legend or Top 50 Arena Player, but there is a clear difference between someone who just picked up the game, someone who grinds and climbs without really knowing what he's doing, and people who actually play well. Like how you plan your turns and consider those of your opponent, making smart choices, knowing when to control the board and when to push for damage, how to come back from a bad position, etc. There's also a difference between people who play properly, and people who BM as much as they can and harrass others. And there's people who only blame RNG and never themselves, instead of looking at what they could have done differently.
Matchup, draw and other random factors can and will still greatly affect a good number of your games. But if you know what you are doing, if you can adapt to different playstyles and strategies and make good decisions, you are, in my eyes, a good player. But ultimately, it depends on how much room you see for improvement. If you really care about being "good", then try to get better regardless.
In truth, none of these are correct - it's relative. You could consider yourself good once you hit rank 15 or consider yourself good once you reach legend 15 and think you are trash if you are only a dumpster legend rank. If you are looking for numbers, a few years ago there were statistics showing .5% of players reached legend. That's likely outdated. I think it should be about 2.5% at this point. But if you are top 3000, I would say that's very good. You are one of the top players, this game has a very large player base. Although it depends on who you consider your peers. Some would say it's fantastic and some would say it's bad if they are used to being legend rank. Everyone is looking up at the players above them. It's relative.
I agree. Very much depends on lots of factors and how one defines "good".
Good at arena? Good deck building? Good at knowing match ups, adapting to meta, mulligan, decision making, handling tilt etc. Maybe you've been playing 1 month or since beta. Perhaps you have a very limited f2p collection. How much time can you put in to the game?
Personally I think enjoying the game and making friends can be considered a skill to foster. What's the point of being Legend #1 but you hate the game and are a total dick (ok, maybe a point if you play for money in events).
I'm happy to get rank 5, and was pleased when I got it 6 times in a season (Standard and Wild on NA, EU and Asia all f2p).
Some people want top 10 legend finishes consistently. Set your own goals would be advice though in fairness I didn't answer OPs question.
Obligatory I’ve never made legend, but being a good player to me is about being able to win games. That’s it. It seems to me that grinding to legend obviously requires an ability to win, but moreover it requires a willingness to invest a lot of time in playing against the meta.
The best players, IMO, are those who are able to grind to legend with their own off meta decks. Playing broken decks like Lackey Rogue or pre-nerf Odd Paladin to legend aren’t as impressive to me as the people who consistently do it with underrepresented classes. If you can make it to legend in this meta with Priest, for instance, that’s impressive. Especially if you’re not running the Nomi list.
Consistent Legend Top 100 every month i'd say. So i see myself out, because i only hit Legen 44 once and then be in the dumpsters of 2000ish if i go for the legend push at all. It loses a lot of it's magic when you did it already. And it's not like we earn money or anything from it...
your 44 was wild though, which converts to like 1000 standard.
Anything above Rank 10 in my eyes is a good player, but then again its hard to say its all down to RNG and matchups plus rank 5-10 is just pure agro and netdecks.
Good is a relative term. I'd say when you are rank 5 you're decent. Legend is good, high legend is really good.
The first month I played this game with a meta deck I hit rank 5 (control priest during witchwood meta) so i don't think it's that hard. By the time Rumble came out I was finishing top 500 legend when i choose to climb, but some people would consider "good" higher than that and if you were talking competitive hearthstone that would be true.
The legend push actually requires effort and focus, but I wouldn't say every player currently at legend is better than every player at 1-5. There are some better players at those ranks who have hit legend before but just don't put in a lot of games. There is a good chance those players are better than someone who just played tempo rogue with 51% winrate over a ton of games to grind to legend.
I just hit legend for the third time ever (I've been playing since GvG) but this is the first time I've made it to legend in back to back months. Looks like I'm gonna finish somewhere in the 3000's. Now I know that's not the BEST, and far from the top, but would I be considered a "good" player? What, in your opinion, is a good rank?
(Also, there are many different skill levels here on this forum, so don't be jerks to each other. Just thought it'd be a fun discussion to find out what people consider to be good.)
Forget about rank - you're fooling yourself if you think your rank determines your skill as a player. If the world champion decides to take a break for a few months, he will find himself at rank 25. Does that make him suddenly a bad player? No.
Being a good player has nothing to do with rank in the slightest - rank is an indicator of your time investment in the game, not your skill level. Instead, a good player is determined by the level of consistency you have in games, ability to determine the optimum plays and how to strategise against the opponent; in particular, based on your knowledge both of the cards and the current meta. Measure yourself up by looking at your win rate with good decks and how it compares to the average win rate for that deck etc. Look at what games you struggle in and figure out why you struggled - if you can learn from your previous mistakes in order not to make them again, you're a good player. If you think your rank is the evidence of how good ou are, then I'm afraid you're not. :-)
Consistent Legend Top 100 every month i'd say. So i see myself out, because i only hit Legen 44 once and then be in the dumpsters of 2000ish if i go for the legend push at all. It loses a lot of it's magic when you did it already. And it's not like we earn money or anything from it...
your 44 was wild though, which converts to like 1000 standard.
Wrong way round. Wild is hella harder than EZ-mode Standard....
Consistent Legend Top 100 every month i'd say. So i see myself out, because i only hit Legen 44 once and then be in the dumpsters of 2000ish if i go for the legend push at all. It loses a lot of it's magic when you did it already. And it's not like we earn money or anything from it...
your 44 was wild though, which converts to like 1000 standard.
Wrong way round. Wild is hella harder than EZ-mode Standard....
Considering the level of players and the amount of top tier decks that play themselves in wild that's just plain wrong.
Even more so now that Genn and Baku are wild exclusives.
Consistent Legend Top 100 every month i'd say. So i see myself out, because i only hit Legen 44 once and then be in the dumpsters of 2000ish if i go for the legend push at all. It loses a lot of it's magic when you did it already. And it's not like we earn money or anything from it...
your 44 was wild though, which converts to like 1000 standard.
Wrong way round. Wild is hella harder than EZ-mode Standard....
Considering the level of players and the amount of top tier decks that play themselves in wild that's just plain wrong.
Even more so now that Genn and Baku are wild exclusives.
That's just simple naivity talking. Especially the bit about top tier decks that play themselves. XD That's hilarious! So, no it's not "just plain wrong". But your comment was.
After 10 (hell, even 15) it’s all about time. I’d rather play memes at 10 or 15 then grind boring garbage for no prestige.
I'm with you, I never tried to hit legend or grind. Well, yes, but after 15 times playing with the same deck i'm bored and try to play something stupid to have fun.
Also I don't really have time to play enought to pass rank 9 or 10.
I tend to spend the first few hours of a season quickly getting back up to rank 5, and then spend the next 30 days or so having fun with whatever I feel like playing. Screw climbing back up to high legend again. I have a life and kids to enjoy! :-D
That's just simple naivity talking. Especially the bit about top tier decks that play themselves. XD That's hilarious! So, no it's not "just plain wrong". But your comment was.
What's naive about the fact that the very best hearthstone players play standard and not wild?
Are you telling me that odd paladin and even shaman aren't prime examples of "play green cards" decks? Because they are.
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Literally most of the players did actually answer the question...
Consistent Legend Top 100 every month i'd say. So i see myself out, because i only hit Legen 44 once and then be in the dumpsters of 2000ish if i go for the legend push at all. It loses a lot of it's magic when you did it already. And it's not like we earn money or anything from it...
Always expect the unexpectable!
First of all, on message boards, you will mostly see players who play a lot and concern themselves with the game a lot. You will see many Rank 5-L players here. However, there is a HUGE number of players who are just casually playing "Casual", or play some games on Rank 20-15, or lower, or just come online for some Tavern Brawl fun, or are invisible on Ranks 50-20... those are millions. Your Rank 3000 Legend means you are one of a few thousand out of MILLIONS. Just being able to play on a competetive level with reasonable success, even reaching higher ranks, not to mention legend, is putting you way above average already, really.
You probably want to know what the "community", the vocal minority of committed, enthusiastic players considers "good". Before I get to that, I will just tell you where I'm at, so you can see for yourself whether you find my opinion worth considering, whether or not I belong to the group of people who can answer your question.
I consider myself "average" in the "hardcore player" perspective. I know some play better, I know many play worse. I know I sometimes make the wrong decision, like playing too carefully and holding cards back way too long, or going with first instinct too often instead of properly assessing what I should and shouldn't do at a given situation. I don't use Decktracker, so I can't tell you what my average winrate is. As for numbers and ranks: I can reach rank 5 and higer if I really try, which I oftentimes don't. I mostly play Casual and Tavern Brawl if I like the Brawl, and every once in a while, I try some ladder. Across the entire month, I usually spend less than 10 hours in Ranked. My highest ranks are 3 in Standard and 4 in Wild. Could I reach legend? I never tried so far. I play for over 3 years, almost daily, close to 8000 wins, and not a single golden hero - I just don't care enough.
My opinion on the subject:
Sure enough, good players will get to higher ranks or legend or high on legend faster/more likely, and there's no denying that. But not every "good" player will try as hard as others to get there, since it still takes a lot of time and the right mindset and patience to go through that process.
I think the playstyle and attitude, not necessarily the accomplishments, make a player "good". Not everyone can be champion or Rank 1 Legend or Top 50 Arena Player, but there is a clear difference between someone who just picked up the game, someone who grinds and climbs without really knowing what he's doing, and people who actually play well. Like how you plan your turns and consider those of your opponent, making smart choices, knowing when to control the board and when to push for damage, how to come back from a bad position, etc. There's also a difference between people who play properly, and people who BM as much as they can and harrass others. And there's people who only blame RNG and never themselves, instead of looking at what they could have done differently.
Matchup, draw and other random factors can and will still greatly affect a good number of your games. But if you know what you are doing, if you can adapt to different playstyles and strategies and make good decisions, you are, in my eyes, a good player. But ultimately, it depends on how much room you see for improvement. If you really care about being "good", then try to get better regardless.
I agree. Very much depends on lots of factors and how one defines "good".
Good at arena? Good deck building? Good at knowing match ups, adapting to meta, mulligan, decision making, handling tilt etc. Maybe you've been playing 1 month or since beta. Perhaps you have a very limited f2p collection. How much time can you put in to the game?
Personally I think enjoying the game and making friends can be considered a skill to foster. What's the point of being Legend #1 but you hate the game and are a total dick (ok, maybe a point if you play for money in events).
I'm happy to get rank 5, and was pleased when I got it 6 times in a season (Standard and Wild on NA, EU and Asia all f2p).
Some people want top 10 legend finishes consistently. Set your own goals would be advice though in fairness I didn't answer OPs question.
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Obligatory I’ve never made legend, but being a good player to me is about being able to win games. That’s it. It seems to me that grinding to legend obviously requires an ability to win, but moreover it requires a willingness to invest a lot of time in playing against the meta.
The best players, IMO, are those who are able to grind to legend with their own off meta decks. Playing broken decks like Lackey Rogue or pre-nerf Odd Paladin to legend aren’t as impressive to me as the people who consistently do it with underrepresented classes. If you can make it to legend in this meta with Priest, for instance, that’s impressive. Especially if you’re not running the Nomi list.
your 44 was wild though, which converts to like 1000 standard.
I've made rank 3. So, above that.
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Anything above Rank 10 in my eyes is a good player, but then again its hard to say its all down to RNG and matchups plus rank 5-10 is just pure agro and netdecks.
This regarding standard. Double digit legend finishes regarding wild.
Good is a relative term. I'd say when you are rank 5 you're decent. Legend is good, high legend is really good.
The first month I played this game with a meta deck I hit rank 5 (control priest during witchwood meta) so i don't think it's that hard. By the time Rumble came out I was finishing top 500 legend when i choose to climb, but some people would consider "good" higher than that and if you were talking competitive hearthstone that would be true.
The legend push actually requires effort and focus, but I wouldn't say every player currently at legend is better than every player at 1-5. There are some better players at those ranks who have hit legend before but just don't put in a lot of games. There is a good chance those players are better than someone who just played tempo rogue with 51% winrate over a ton of games to grind to legend.
Forget about rank - you're fooling yourself if you think your rank determines your skill as a player. If the world champion decides to take a break for a few months, he will find himself at rank 25. Does that make him suddenly a bad player? No.
Being a good player has nothing to do with rank in the slightest - rank is an indicator of your time investment in the game, not your skill level.
Instead, a good player is determined by the level of consistency you have in games, ability to determine the optimum plays and how to strategise against the opponent; in particular, based on your knowledge both of the cards and the current meta.
Measure yourself up by looking at your win rate with good decks and how it compares to the average win rate for that deck etc.
Look at what games you struggle in and figure out why you struggled - if you can learn from your previous mistakes in order not to make them again, you're a good player. If you think your rank is the evidence of how good ou are, then I'm afraid you're not. :-)
Wrong way round. Wild is hella harder than EZ-mode Standard....
Considering the level of players and the amount of top tier decks that play themselves in wild that's just plain wrong.
Even more so now that Genn and Baku are wild exclusives.
In Standart constant top 250 finish.
If you just use it as a poop game and time filler Rank 5 is laughable easy with tempo/aggro deck and Legend in Wild is the same with Odd Paladin.
wild is easier if u already masters your deck
but becoming better at a wild deck is harder than standard deck
That's just simple naivity talking. Especially the bit about top tier decks that play themselves. XD That's hilarious!
So, no it's not "just plain wrong". But your comment was.
Imho, if you're playing cookie-cutter decklists and are putting in the time, you should reach 3digit legend to consider yourself good.
You can be good and hover at rank 5 though, if you don't do the whole package.
I'm with you, I never tried to hit legend or grind. Well, yes, but after 15 times playing with the same deck i'm bored and try to play something stupid to have fun.
Also I don't really have time to play enought to pass rank 9 or 10.
I tend to spend the first few hours of a season quickly getting back up to rank 5, and then spend the next 30 days or so having fun with whatever I feel like playing.
Screw climbing back up to high legend again. I have a life and kids to enjoy! :-D
What's naive about the fact that the very best hearthstone players play standard and not wild?
Are you telling me that odd paladin and even shaman aren't prime examples of "play green cards" decks? Because they are.