Kibler had a good thread on twitter about this over the weekend. In brief, he thinks that Rogue is the real problem, and that Warrior is only so dominate because it's the class that does best vs. Rogue. If Rogue were not to powerful, other decks would be competitive again, and give Warrior a run for its money.
Kibler had a good thread on twitter about this over the weekend. In brief, he thinks that Rogue is the real problem, and that Warrior is only so dominate because it's the class that does best vs. Rogue. If Rogue were not to powerful, other decks would be competitive again, and give Warrior a run for its money.
Dr. will never get a nerf hes a hero card, they might just push all 3 remaining hero cards to hall of fame, like Gen/Baku. But they wont get a nerf would be absurd looking at previous DK`s their nopt even close in power lvl and those didnt get nerfed.
I also dont see a good reason to nerf anything at all. Meta looks pretty healthy most classes have playable decks.
ControlWarrior/Bomb Warrior, Mech Hunter/midrange hunter, Tempo rogue, token druid, murloc shaman, Zoo warlock, secret paladin, Big hand mage, nomi priest
Its been a while since all classes had playable decks.
As if that stopped them from gutting Druid, Shudderwock Shaman and Kingsbane Rogue last year with the same deck tiers and winrates.
Control Warrior is currently overloaded with ridiculous tools. Mad Genius perma Rush needs to go specially when paired with the ability to discover multiple extra Dynomatics, Devastators and Zilliaxes from a freaking Hero Power and a 1 mana cost card, as well as the possibility to bounce Elysiana as easily as people can now.
I am not saying that warrior needs nerfing, but I really don`t understand how people can claim it has no T1 decks. Let's look at the facts:
-It's it the second most played class after rogue.
-after rogue (15) it is the second deck at HTC (13).
-it has one of the highest winrates, it differs depening on what site you check.
-it has the best single target removel: shield slam. Hunter`s mark needed nerfing at 1 mana? Why not shield slam?
-it has the bset AOE: Brawl and Warpath.
-it has the best hero with infinite power, some classes dont even have one.
-best weapon removal in the game with weapon project. Yes, oozes and harrison are good too, this is just better.
-amazing hand refill with omega assembly. A lot of other classes have nice draw ability as well, but some don`t. Say hi to another Zilliax or omega devastator.
-amazing minions. Dire maul was played in a lot decks, well Eternium rover is better. Town crier, Dino-matic, omega devastator, Dr. Boom
-Some classes maybe have 1viable deck, warrior has endless variations with a core of 25 cards that are amazing.
Previous expansion warrior was already in a good place and has lost not much in power, in contrast to most other classes.
This is absolutely baffling. I have played every day since release and I have never, I repeat, NEVER lost a game due to Archivist Elysiana. How the hell do people lose to this thing?! If it gets to fatigue and she is played, you already lost - not because of her, but because you didn't solve the problem sooner. The calls for nerf of this card (which I couldn't care either way really, since she's not exactly a must-have card) are so utterly bonkers, it's hilarious.
This is absolutely baffling. I have played every day since release and I have never, I repeat, NEVER lost a game due to Archivist Elysiana. How the hell do people lose to this thing?! If it gets to fatigue and she is played, you already lost - not because of her, but because you didn't solve the problem sooner. The calls for nerf of this card (which I couldn't care either way really, since she's not exactly a must-have card) are so utterly bonkers, it's hilarious.
Well there is a way to win with her. But its only very narrow if you play with control against another control deck or even a mirror, THEN this card could witn you the game if you survive till the end.
This is absolutely baffling. I have played every day since release and I have never, I repeat, NEVER lost a game due to Archivist Elysiana. How the hell do people lose to this thing?! If it gets to fatigue and she is played, you already lost - not because of her, but because you didn't solve the problem sooner. The calls for nerf of this card (which I couldn't care either way really, since she's not exactly a must-have card) are so utterly bonkers, it's hilarious.
Its not cuz of power level of this card but cuz what she do in specialist.
This is absolutely baffling. I have played every day since release and I have never, I repeat, NEVER lost a game due to Archivist Elysiana. How the hell do people lose to this thing?! If it gets to fatigue and she is played, you already lost - not because of her, but because you didn't solve the problem sooner. The calls for nerf of this card (which I couldn't care either way really, since she's not exactly a must-have card) are so utterly bonkers, it's hilarious.
Its not cuz of power level of this card but cuz what she do in specialist.
It'll be a damn shame if Blizzard nerfs warrior, considering all meta reports show hunter and druid boasting better winrates. In all honesty, yall are focusing on the wrong problem. The real problem that no one seems to address is the massive amount of cheap, efficient card draw/generation (Crystalsong Portal, Master's Call, Book of Specters, Raiding Party, and Omega Assembly). Point being, every class that has these cards has at least a tier two deck, and every class that doesnt isnt doing too well in the meta. The exception to this is shaman, but shaman also got Underbelly Angler.
Fat ginger kids learned about HSReplay last week don't don't even know to check deck stats by individual decks and not by general class winrate including all sort of shit decks.
Whoever thinks warrior is not tier 1 don't come back on the forum or maybe do, because it's now filled with amateurs so you are in the right group
Fat ginger kids learned about HSReplay last week don't don't even know to check deck stats by individual decks and not by general class winrate including all sort of shit decks.
Whoever thinks warrior is not tier 1 don't come back on the forum or maybe do, because it's now filled with amateurs so you are in the right group
Nah, even Priest deck have positive winrate there so no suprise
CW is tier 2 in both HsReplay and Vicious Syndicate report. You are the one need to know how to check the site yourself
So he is wrong.
Because?
Nerf 54% wr deck? Ok.
Remove Rush from dr boom hero card.
Temp Storm disagrees with you.
Dr. will never get a nerf hes a hero card, they might just push all 3 remaining hero cards to hall of fame, like Gen/Baku. But they wont get a nerf would be absurd looking at previous DK`s their nopt even close in power lvl and those didnt get nerfed.
I also dont see a good reason to nerf anything at all. Meta looks pretty healthy most classes have playable decks.
ControlWarrior/Bomb Warrior, Mech Hunter/midrange hunter, Tempo rogue, token druid, murloc shaman, Zoo warlock, secret paladin, Big hand mage, nomi priest
Its been a while since all classes had playable decks.
"Nerfing Tier 2/3 deck, 50% winrate, etc etc"
As if that stopped them from gutting Druid, Shudderwock Shaman and Kingsbane Rogue last year with the same deck tiers and winrates.
Control Warrior is currently overloaded with ridiculous tools. Mad Genius perma Rush needs to go specially when paired with the ability to discover multiple extra Dynomatics, Devastators and Zilliaxes from a freaking Hero Power and a 1 mana cost card, as well as the possibility to bounce Elysiana as easily as people can now.
I'll just leave this here.
https://hsreplay.net/archetypes/169/tempo-rogue#tab=matchups
Are you high?
Free to try and find a game, dealing cards for sorrow, cards for pain.
I am not saying that warrior needs nerfing, but I really don`t understand how people can claim it has no T1 decks. Let's look at the facts:
-It's it the second most played class after rogue.
-after rogue (15) it is the second deck at HTC (13).
-it has one of the highest winrates, it differs depening on what site you check.
-it has the best single target removel: shield slam. Hunter`s mark needed nerfing at 1 mana? Why not shield slam?
-it has the bset AOE: Brawl and Warpath.
-it has the best hero with infinite power, some classes dont even have one.
-best weapon removal in the game with weapon project. Yes, oozes and harrison are good too, this is just better.
-amazing hand refill with omega assembly. A lot of other classes have nice draw ability as well, but some don`t. Say hi to another Zilliax or omega devastator.
-amazing minions. Dire maul was played in a lot decks, well Eternium rover is better. Town crier, Dino-matic, omega devastator, Dr. Boom
-Some classes maybe have 1viable deck, warrior has endless variations with a core of 25 cards that are amazing.
Previous expansion warrior was already in a good place and has lost not much in power, in contrast to most other classes.
This is absolutely baffling.
I have played every day since release and I have never, I repeat, NEVER lost a game due to Archivist Elysiana. How the hell do people lose to this thing?!
If it gets to fatigue and she is played, you already lost - not because of her, but because you didn't solve the problem sooner.
The calls for nerf of this card (which I couldn't care either way really, since she's not exactly a must-have card) are so utterly bonkers, it's hilarious.
Well there is a way to win with her. But its only very narrow if you play with control against another control deck or even a mirror, THEN this card could witn you the game if you survive till the end.
Always expect the unexpectable!
Its not cuz of power level of this card but cuz what she do in specialist.
Now you can feel dumb.
Thanks.
Why not just ban it in this format?
Now you can feel dumb.
Thanks.
Always expect the unexpectable!
Yeah that mean nothing in this topic.
Yup. Same was with Quest Rogue.
https://hsreplay.net/cards/ Look at most played cards XD
Fat ginger kids learned about HSReplay last week don't don't even know to check deck stats by individual decks and not by general class winrate including all sort of shit decks.
Whoever thinks warrior is not tier 1 don't come back on the forum or maybe do, because it's now filled with amateurs so you are in the right group
Nah, even Priest deck have positive winrate there so no suprise
CW is tier 2 in both HsReplay and Vicious Syndicate report. You are the one need to know how to check the site yourself
So let's nerf warrior and let rogue reach pre-nerf jade druid power levels then.