*The deck can flood the board very easily, often for a small cost in mana or cards. Not all classes has enough board clears in Standard to deal with that.
*The deck punishes the other player for mistakes he or she can't possibly play around. Don't have have removal or board clear? Get punished. Leaving 3 minions with low attack on board? Take at least 15 damage or more.
*The deck can do a lot of damage in 1 Turn for a small cost in either Mana or Cards.
* It's so called counters are not effective enough to deal with it because of the amount of burst potential the deck has. And often the decks are very expensive to make.
How can people be okay with this?
There are other decks out there that needs a fix too, but this thread is about Token Druid.
Because the meta isn't even a month old and people already want nerfs.
Aggro decks will ALWAYS have inflated win percentages when people are experimenting with unoptimized decks. We need more data before a certain deck can be demonized as overpowered.
It is too close to the launch of the expansion, I think a lot of people are holding judgement until the meta settles. Blizzard have improved when it comes to churning out more regular patches, so I wouldn't be surprised if we do get one in a few weeks.
Will this thread be relevant in 2 days? Wouldn't put my money on it. Look at all the Bomb Warrior crybaby threads Where are then now? On the rubbish heap like this one will end up. I should make an aggro warlock crybaby thread to try to get the fifty response cup.
How can you be so naive and not realizing this and other decks could be a problem in the future? Tell me instead why you are okay with Token Druid and other decks getting away with the things they do.
Will this thread be relevant in 2 days? Wouldn't put my money on it. Look at all the Bomb Warrior crybaby threads Where are then now? On the rubbish heap like this one will end up. I should make an aggro warlock crybaby thread to try to get the fifty response cup.
So you are okay with how things are? Fine. I guess you don't want an more fun and healthy game? But i am sure i can't be the only one who believes some decks needs to be turned down a notch. Some people need to open there eyes.
How can you be so naive and not realizing this and other decks could be a problem in the future? Tell me instead why you are okay with Token Druid and other decks getting away with the things they do.
Who said that I'm okay? And who are you to judge? You better be a freaking developer to know so well how the game will be in the future, but I guess you're not cause this is not the first complaining thread you've created in the last few days.
Do you know why Token Druid is so common? It's because it's a valid counter to Bomb Warrior. What? Bomb Warrior is slowly fading in popularity? Then Token Druid will end up in the same way.
It's been 9 days since RoS launch and we already doomed you say? Please,
Stop complaining and try to break the meta instead of crying
Don't worry OP, if Blizzard decided to nerf Bomb Warrior, Token Druid or anything else, all these apologists would congratulate Blizzard on the nerfs regardless. It's cyclical.
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Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health. - Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished
I will have to agree with this one... Not even odd paladin was able to do what Token druid is doing right now... You have wisps, treants, then more treants, then more treants from deathrattle, then 5 treants repeteable next turn. On top of all the constant flooding, they have so many access to entire board buff basically every turn, meaning that if you are not able to clear the board you may be doomed, and to be honest you might be able clear it a few turns but they keep spamming the board righ away basically.
Odd paladin relied on flooding the board and minion buff but was manageable because barely you were able to buff the entire board, and more importantly you couldn't always get so many minions turn after turn, so every now and then you had a chance of beating them. With token druid this is even more difficult. Token druid floods entire boards basically every turn from 3 or 4 onwards, which is insane in my opinion.
How can you be so naive and not realizing this and other decks could be a problem in the future? Tell me instead why you are okay with Token Druid and other decks getting away with the things they do.
Who said that I'm okay? And who are you to judge? You better be a freaking developer to know so well how the game will be in the future, but I guess you're not cause this is not the first complaining thread you've created in the last few days.
Do you know why Token Druid is so common? It's because it's a valid counter to Bomb Warrior. What? Bomb Warrior is slowly fading in popularity? Then Token Druid will end up in the same way.
It's been 9 days since RoS launch and we already doomed you say? Please,
Stop complaining and try to break the meta instead of crying
I don't need to be a developer to stat the obvious. I have been playing this game sense before Naxxramas, i have seen history repeat itself from time to time again. Force of Nature+Savage Roar Combo Druid, Deathrattle Hunter, Patron Warrior the list goes on. I just want Blizzard to learn from there mistakes and not repeat this again and again. I think when these problems need to be dealt with as soon as possible, for the sake of the game and it's player base. I have seen what you been posting to threads similar to this, all i will say is that things could have gone differently.
I know why Token Druid is being played a lot at the moment. It's an overall strong deck with many strong match ups, people will play decks they consider strong. I hope you understood i left a small mention of Bomb Warrior as another deck unhealthy for the game, but i suppose not. You say Token Druid will end up the same way as Bomb Warrior. I would not bet on it because of the nature of the deck. Flood the board and take advantage of a meta game with few cheap board clears, and kill your opponent from full health because Standard is the way it is. I think you can't really compare the two.
Im not saying we are doomed, its about addressing the problem before it becomes Jades and Pirates again.
because it has clear and strong counters in the meta. therefore there's nothing wrong with it.
it would only be a problem, if it couldn't be countered. there are a few very strong counters to it at moment.
Mech Paladin and Carpet Zoo being the most obvious.
If it's not a problem, why do people complain about the deck then? A meta game centered around what beats and does not beat one deck is not good for the game.
Because the meta isn't even a month old and people already want nerfs.
Aggro decks will ALWAYS have inflated win percentages when people are experimenting with unoptimized decks. We need more data before a certain deck can be demonized as overpowered.
Well, what is Druid going to do otherwise? They gutted combo then they gutted ramp. Do you want Druid to just flat out suck? Like, I get it, tokens and sticky minions are annoying. But again, what else are they going to do? They made it so Druid sucks otherwise, so tokens it is. And lets not imagine this is a recent "problem" token druid has been a thing since the dawn of Hearthstone. It's often complained about early in expansions because everyone is playing the greediest decks, which obviously aggressive decks and sticky minion decks punish. This is not new, at all. I guess that's why I'm defending token druid (and I don't even play it, I have no vested interest in defending it, I just don't want to see Druid disappear for another expansion).
You are asking why people are okay with this when YOU think it's an issue. IDK how long you have been playing this game, but I have.. along with many others.. been playing since Beta. I can promise you, this deck, like all decks comes and goes. It isn't a big deal. At this point it is near impossible for Hearthstone to create content and still keep all classes relevant in each meta cycle. Right now it's Druids turn. Either play Druid, counter druid, or wait for meta to shift. Don't like that? You probably shouldn't be playing a CCG.
Enjoy everyone else. I'm having a lot of fun trying all sorts of decks, regardless of win/loss.
Hi, my name is Bomb Warrior. Everyone hated me when I was in the meta for 5 days. Now this is my friend, Token Druid. Token Druid is a stupid aggro deck, like me. Everyone hates us because we SMOrc. Token Druid would like to talk to you:
"Hi. You asked me if there are enough board clears/removal. I have been fucked to many times by warrior with Warpath, Brawl, Omega Devastator, Execute, Dr. Boom's hero powers, and Dyn-o-matic. You hate me. Sure I'm fine with that. I bet you hated Odd Paladin, Undertaker Hunter, Pre-nerf Quest Rogue, Spell Hunter, OTK Priest, and pretty much every deck with >50% winrate. I would say go to the salt thread but I'm not one of those people."
It all feels unreasonable.
*The deck can flood the board very easily, often for a small cost in mana or cards. Not all classes has enough board clears in Standard to deal with that.
*The deck punishes the other player for mistakes he or she can't possibly play around. Don't have have removal or board clear? Get punished. Leaving 3 minions with low attack on board? Take at least 15 damage or more.
*The deck can do a lot of damage in 1 Turn for a small cost in either Mana or Cards.
* It's so called counters are not effective enough to deal with it because of the amount of burst potential the deck has. And often the decks are very expensive to make.
How can people be okay with this?
There are other decks out there that needs a fix too, but this thread is about Token Druid.
'Cause they miss Odd Paladin, probably and think Token Druid was the perfect replacement to it.
Because the meta isn't even a month old and people already want nerfs.
Aggro decks will ALWAYS have inflated win percentages when people are experimenting with unoptimized decks. We need more data before a certain deck can be demonized as overpowered.
It is too close to the launch of the expansion, I think a lot of people are holding judgement until the meta settles. Blizzard have improved when it comes to churning out more regular patches, so I wouldn't be surprised if we do get one in a few weeks.
is token druid nuts? yes.
is there a way to nerf it? nope.
is the meta full of token druids, murloc shamans, tempo rogues? yes.
is there enough board clears? no.
should you wait for the next expansion? yes.
is this a salt thread? no.
am i high? yes.
should you be reading this? no.
Like the last 14 complaining threads
Will this thread be relevant in 2 days? Wouldn't put my money on it. Look at all the Bomb Warrior crybaby threads Where are then now? On the rubbish heap like this one will end up. I should make an aggro warlock crybaby thread to try to get the fifty response cup.
Free to try and find a game, dealing cards for sorrow, cards for pain.
How can you be so naive and not realizing this and other decks could be a problem in the future? Tell me instead why you are okay with Token Druid and other decks getting away with the things they do.
So you are okay with how things are? Fine. I guess you don't want an more fun and healthy game? But i am sure i can't be the only one who believes some decks needs to be turned down a notch. Some people need to open there eyes.
Who said that I'm okay? And who are you to judge? You better be a freaking developer to know so well how the game will be in the future, but I guess you're not cause this is not the first complaining thread you've created in the last few days.
Do you know why Token Druid is so common? It's because it's a valid counter to Bomb Warrior. What? Bomb Warrior is slowly fading in popularity? Then Token Druid will end up in the same way.
It's been 9 days since RoS launch and we already doomed you say? Please,
Stop complaining and try to break the meta instead of crying
People will defend anything, even Big Priest.
Don't worry OP, if Blizzard decided to nerf Bomb Warrior, Token Druid or anything else, all these apologists would congratulate Blizzard on the nerfs regardless. It's cyclical.
Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health.
- Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished
Ranking up with Token Druid is easy (not to mention super fast), the deck itself is easy to play as well as dirt cheap to assemble.
And just like that.. you have a winner.
I will have to agree with this one... Not even odd paladin was able to do what Token druid is doing right now... You have wisps, treants, then more treants, then more treants from deathrattle, then 5 treants repeteable next turn. On top of all the constant flooding, they have so many access to entire board buff basically every turn, meaning that if you are not able to clear the board you may be doomed, and to be honest you might be able clear it a few turns but they keep spamming the board righ away basically.
Odd paladin relied on flooding the board and minion buff but was manageable because barely you were able to buff the entire board, and more importantly you couldn't always get so many minions turn after turn, so every now and then you had a chance of beating them. With token druid this is even more difficult. Token druid floods entire boards basically every turn from 3 or 4 onwards, which is insane in my opinion.
because it has clear and strong counters in the meta. therefore there's nothing wrong with it.
it would only be a problem, if it couldn't be countered. there are a few very strong counters to it at moment.
Mech Paladin and Carpet Zoo being the most obvious.
I don't need to be a developer to stat the obvious. I have been playing this game sense before Naxxramas, i have seen history repeat itself from time to time again. Force of Nature+Savage Roar Combo Druid, Deathrattle Hunter, Patron Warrior the list goes on. I just want Blizzard to learn from there mistakes and not repeat this again and again. I think when these problems need to be dealt with as soon as possible, for the sake of the game and it's player base. I have seen what you been posting to threads similar to this, all i will say is that things could have gone differently.
I know why Token Druid is being played a lot at the moment. It's an overall strong deck with many strong match ups, people will play decks they consider strong. I hope you understood i left a small mention of Bomb Warrior as another deck unhealthy for the game, but i suppose not. You say Token Druid will end up the same way as Bomb Warrior. I would not bet on it because of the nature of the deck. Flood the board and take advantage of a meta game with few cheap board clears, and kill your opponent from full health because Standard is the way it is. I think you can't really compare the two.
Im not saying we are doomed, its about addressing the problem before it becomes Jades and Pirates again.
I will try and wish me luck!
If it's not a problem, why do people complain about the deck then? A meta game centered around what beats and does not beat one deck is not good for the game.
THIS. THIS. ANNNND THIS.
Well, what is Druid going to do otherwise? They gutted combo then they gutted ramp. Do you want Druid to just flat out suck? Like, I get it, tokens and sticky minions are annoying. But again, what else are they going to do? They made it so Druid sucks otherwise, so tokens it is. And lets not imagine this is a recent "problem" token druid has been a thing since the dawn of Hearthstone. It's often complained about early in expansions because everyone is playing the greediest decks, which obviously aggressive decks and sticky minion decks punish. This is not new, at all. I guess that's why I'm defending token druid (and I don't even play it, I have no vested interest in defending it, I just don't want to see Druid disappear for another expansion).
@ OP.
You are asking why people are okay with this when YOU think it's an issue. IDK how long you have been playing this game, but I have.. along with many others.. been playing since Beta. I can promise you, this deck, like all decks comes and goes. It isn't a big deal. At this point it is near impossible for Hearthstone to create content and still keep all classes relevant in each meta cycle. Right now it's Druids turn. Either play Druid, counter druid, or wait for meta to shift. Don't like that? You probably shouldn't be playing a CCG.
Enjoy everyone else. I'm having a lot of fun trying all sorts of decks, regardless of win/loss.
Hi, my name is Bomb Warrior. Everyone hated me when I was in the meta for 5 days. Now this is my friend, Token Druid. Token Druid is a stupid aggro deck, like me. Everyone hates us because we SMOrc. Token Druid would like to talk to you:
"Hi. You asked me if there are enough board clears/removal. I have been fucked to many times by warrior with Warpath, Brawl, Omega Devastator, Execute, Dr. Boom's hero powers, and Dyn-o-matic. You hate me. Sure I'm fine with that. I bet you hated Odd Paladin, Undertaker Hunter, Pre-nerf Quest Rogue, Spell Hunter, OTK Priest, and pretty much every deck with >50% winrate. I would say go to the salt thread but I'm not one of those people."
Deal with it mate. Or just play any control deck.