Worth noting 205/500 voting for something from RoS not listed above. Slightly over 40%.
Why Blastmaster Boom?
In general and not surprisingly there is a lot general hate for the bomb warrior archetype. Clear board, insert bombs, rinse and repeat until free damage gives a Victory!
Blastmaster Boom since he's essentially the card bomb warrior is built around. Would not be as salty if boom bots were revamped to something more sensible than big on random 1-4 dmg, and they didn't combo with rush to act as viable board clear.
Why Omega Devastator?
Did you think Crowd Roaster was good? How about a 3 mana cheaper one that does 3 more damage(7 counting rush in) and doesn't need hand synergy AND has mech synergies.
-omega devastator -stupidly powerful and annoying,cherry on top that it is a mech(discover effects)
From my experience so far, it's definitely Omega Devastator. As if Control Warrior needs any more removal, and look, it's not only great removal, it's also cheap, a Mech, and discoverable via Omega Assembly and Dr. Boom!
Should have been 7 mana at the very least with this effect, if not 8.
I love the card and play it myself. But this card is ridiculous, too many advantages in one card.
The only card on the list that really annoys me is Omega Devastator, and it's really only bad because Warrior has so many ways to discover extra copies. [Omega Assembly, Dr. Boom hero power]
Why Archivist Elysiana?
Anyone up for a 40 minute game?
Actually my vote. Destroys a fundamental of the game. This is insulting but i cant help but word it this way. I'm not one of those losers that wants to play a game of hearthstone for 40 minutes just because the deck makes me feel safe. F*** off.
Yeah - I don't like the option of letting every control deck going infinite in the same heavily RNG-based way.
Elysiana, for sure.
On control mirrors, it's a coin flip of who gets better cards, most of the time.
Against aggro/midrange, even if the aggressive player baits stuff as best as he can, there we go, 10-15 more cards. Discovered on top of that, instead of being random like Academic Espionage. Oh, and contrary to Espionage, you can Banker, Brewmaster and etc Elysiana and do it YET AGAIN. If you manage to play her with an Elekk already in play, it's even worse.
So much for "now resources management will matter".
I think she'll end up nerfed to shuffle less copies or discover less cards or even get a jump to 10 mana cost to avoid bounces/copies except for Shadowstep.
Why Underbelly Angler?
Hagatha-like value that generates more synergy cards. Worth noting Underbelly can generate itself and legendary murlocs. Ways of generating more 2 of a card in a deck is always good but perhaps this is just too extreme. The downside to spam/aggro decks is supposed to be the ability to run out of steam. I can now see murloc shaman winning games easily past the turn 8 mark.
Voted for Underbelly Angler since this is waaay to strong for a 2drop without downside.
Underbelly Angler early game threat that needs instant removal or it snowballs the game. Retarded value late game as it only needs 1 other murloc in hand to refill the board by chain dropping generated cards. Actually refills hand if paired with echo murloc.
Mostly it seems to be because of how good/broken/OP he is in Res Priest/Big Priest.
Why Forest's Aid?
Clear 4 waves in a row or die to ferocious roar. I'm personally hugely disgusted by both the cards Savage Roar and Bloodlust. Getting a victory simply for vomiting tokens on the board seems extremely braindead and stale for gameplay to me.
voted for Forests Aid. normally, aggro decks run out of steam. not token druid. card is busted right now. at least there is now a good reason to play Geddon again.
In this meta Soul of the Forest and Soul of the Murloc are the dumbest cards, they make Bloodlust and Savage Roar too consistent. As a slow deck you need 10+ board clears including 2 very specific to counter the soul cards like Warpath or Vanish, some classes just can't do that and I find that annoying.
I could say that Omega Devastator is a little bit too powerful, or Omega Assembly, or Mad Genius, or Dragon Roar (in this particular meta), or Brawl. I think they are OP but still fine cards individually, but warrior really has everything a control archetype could ever dream of and it's only the first expansion of the year. I love playing warrior so it's not a huge deal to me but I definitely understand why a lot of player are worried or frustrated about the state of warrior.
Elysiana I think people are being unfair to her, I understand the hate towards long games and yes she can be a bit polarizing when they have her in the deck and you don't, but I don't agree with the coin flip mirror and the "infinite value" argument. Most control warriors still play all the draw engines against my control Warrior. They lose because of this, not because of Elysiana bad luck. Also you can tech against fatigue more easily than most other techs, because you just need to remove card draw from your deck and add more good cards that do something. I'm ahead in fatigue in like 100% of the games.
I played around supercollider and sincerely feel like I outplayed this residentsleeper warrior the entire game, BUT I did not win. He not only rolled a lot of 7 armors, he dodged fatigue, and got direct spells in his choices. This is bullshit. Just an example.
I agree with Omega Devastator completely. The entire playstyle of warrior right now makes it mandatory to reach 10 mana, so that card is just a delayed 4 mana deal 10 damage. On top of that you're almost guaranteed to get it from Omega Assembly (another very strong card) and from Boom hero power (in my experience). I think it needs to lose the mech tag for it to lose the dumb card title.
The rest are not that obnoxious. Vargoth is only consistent in Res Priest, The Forest's Aid is a fair card, without Twinspell it would be bad, Archivist Elysiana... While yes, it makes Control Warrior Kingsbane Rogue-like regarding fatigue, it's a good card to counter decks with Hakkar and Bomb Warrior.
Blastmaster Boom is a card that only works in a single deck, and that deck is far from OP, so I wouldn't say it will have too much of an effect on the overall game. Bomb Warrior is just a new archetype that has proven to be good so it's popular right now.
As for Angler, I don't really have an opinion, as I haven't encountered them very often.
less 10% (less than 50/500) voted for any of the new Rogue cards. Wagglepick was highest with 5.0% which is mostly probably because of the Leeroy spam it helps with and that dread corsair is a free 3/3 taunt on equip doesn't hurt. If you imagine it the other way around it seems ridiculous. 4 cost 3/3 taunt that summons a 4/2 weapon.
I agree with Omega Devastator completely. The entire playstyle of warrior right now makes it mandatory to reach 10 mana, so that card is just a delayed 4 mana deal 10 damage. On top of that you're almost guaranteed to get it from Omega Assembly (another very strong card) and from Boom hero power (in my experience). I think it needs to lose the mech tag for it to lose the dumb card title.
The rest are not that obnoxious. Vargoth is only consistent in Res Priest, The Forest's Aid is a fair card, without Twinspell it would be bad, Archivist Elysiana... While yes, it makes Control Warrior Kingsbane Rogue-like regarding fatigue, it's a good card to counter decks with Hakkar and Bomb Warrior.
Blastmaster Boom is a card that only works in a single deck, and that deck is far from OP, so I wouldn't say it will have too much of an effect on the overall game. Bomb Warrior is just a new archetype that has proven to be good so it's popular right now.
As for Angler, I don't really have an opinion, as I haven't encountered them very often.
Archivist is a lame counter to bombs to me. I think giest rotated so I supposed there isn't a counter for hakkar curse anymore either. Defeats the purpose of creating your deck in the first place.
Blastmaster himself I feel is good but I dont mind nzoth/BRguldan/zuljin-like swing turns so much though this is only a 7 cost one. I do definitely agree adding 36 to 87 dmg(87 is low rolling all boombots) in bombs/boombots is complete bullshit and trash game design. It's a win for sitting on your ass archetype. Why shouldnt every class just have 3/3s that do rng dmg at a later point, etc. It's just dumb.
Angler. It's just too much value. Imagine if there was a two drop that was like this for demons. It would be used BUT not too oppressive because some demons are kind of bad and vary in amount of mana you spend. Pretty much same for every tribe EXCEPT murlocs. You got just going to refill your hand with more cheap cards.
Surprised Archivist Elysiana made the list.... I guess the people who spent all their dust on Bomb Warrior day 1 are salty. I mean it's a VERY good control card and the RNG is kind of bullshit but it doesn't break the game in the same way as The Forest's Aid
Really? You think having 40-50 cards vs an opponent with 30 is fair? Did you watch the hsreplay i posted in third comment. There should have been no way I lost that match the way I played. If youre gonna be a lameass and just armor up and remove, you should at least at some point have the possibility of running out of resources. This is the stupidest card I've ever seen.
Really? You think having 40-50 cards vs an opponent with 30 is fair? Did you watch the hsreplay i posted in third comment. There should have been no way I lost that match the way I played. If youre gonna be a lameass and just armor up and remove, you should at least at some point have the possibility of running out of resources. This is the stupidest card I've ever seen.
You've probably realized what my vote was. lol.
This is the stupidest card you've ever seen? Seriously? Does Jade Idol ring a bell? Pre-nerf Kingsbane? Shudderwock back when the combo was still alive? THOSE were broken infinite value cards. Elysiana is a neutral legendary that anyone can use and she's barely even played right now...
This is the most senseless whine I've seen on this forum in a while
Sure, use my syntax as an argument. Also who the fuck uses ''cool story'' in 2019? Grow up dude your survey was interesting but if you're going to be too immature to have a debate don't fucking create threads on forums
I used to love Archivist, but after one particular discover session, I just feel dirty.
Gruul, Omega Assembly, Big Game Hunter (for his Deathwings he got off his Archivist), Gorehowl, and . . .
MOTHER FUCKING CHEF NOMI.
Sickest shit ever. Took opponent down from 70 armor.
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1. Conjurer's Calling with Khadgar on Mountain Giant
2. The Forest's Aid into boardclear into The Forest's Aid into boardclear into The Forest's Aid into boardclear into The Forest's Aid into double Savage Roar
3. Blastmaster Boom with 3+ bombs shuffled and Dr. Boom hero played.
4. Priest hypermill with Pyro/Cleric and Auctioneer into Chef Nomi/Seance
5. Leeroy face into Waggle Pick face into Leeroy face into Eviscerate for 20 dmg from hand
I used to love Archivist, but after one particular discover session, I just feel dirty.
Gruul, Omega Assembly, Big Game Hunter (for his Deathwings he got off his Archivist), Gorehowl, and . . .
MOTHER FUCKING CHEF NOMI.
Sickest shit ever. Took opponent down from 70 armor.
See that absolutely fucking stupid. Omega Assembly VALUE in VALUE! More removal. Just bad. Being neutral doesnt save it at all. Not all classes for built for longass game anyway.
1. Conjurer's Calling with Khadgar on Mountain Giant
2. The Forest's Aid into boardclear into The Forest's Aid into boardclear into The Forest's Aid into boardclear into The Forest's Aid into double Savage Roar
3. Blastmaster Boom with 3+ bombs shuffled and Dr. Boom hero played.
4. Priest hypermill with Pyro/Cleric and Auctioneer into Chef Nomi/Seance
5. Leeroy face into Waggle Pick face into Leeroy face into Eviscerate for 20 dmg from hand
But there's a lot more where that came from
#2 is too accurate
1/2/5 is pretty cancer. I've seen chef nomi priest and it just looks silly. Useless versus any warrior in most cases. Often i see priest having to use seance on something else so they cant even go for it twice.
Sorry, OP, but you are being unfair to Archivist Elysiana. Everything what Ferrafox said regarding her is true.
If you felt bad for losing to a greedy deck, that included her (+ a Baleful Banker), and you also play slow decks, then run her as well. She's not given to a specific class, so in theory every control list can benefit from her. It's another topic, that only warrior can afford to play her due to its strong defensive tools. You shouldn't dismiss look at her downside, that she is a 100% dead card against any other deck. Costing 8 mana makes her a super slow body only playable in the late-game and her deck deleting effect is just brutal, if you are desperate to find a second Brawl or Shield Slam/Execute etc. I admit, that she can feel bad to lose against, if she gives your opponent 10 cards from high-quality, but that's completely random and this goes for other random generating cards as well. It's just the stupid nature of hearthstone.
I remember achingly the old metas with jade druid, before Skulking Geist was implemented. Jade Idol had to be the card with the stupidest design from MSoG. It negated fatigue, it was extremely cheap (and enabled combos with Gadgetzan Auctioneer), it couldn't be countered and summoned larger and larger men with each cast. As a Renolock/Mage and whatever I felt being on the clock and once the golems became 5/5+, I couldn't deal with them anymore. Archivist Elysiana is not like that. She's million times fairer and she can be included in every class, if you can afford her.
Strongly disagree. There is NOTHING fair about cheating out fatigue. Wasnt a fan of jade idol either but im not going to talk about wild stuff. The you can run it too argument is weak. You use up all your resources, you should lose. Refills card like this shouldnt exist. Saying something of an older expansion with somewhat similar more cancerous and steamroll function is bad but this "fine" doesnt even sound right.
The only people that actually want to waste an hour playing a single game of hearthstone are warrior players. It really isnt a "oh lets throw in this tech" card. It's not like weapon removal or something. Even if I was one of those people that wanted to waste that much time, I already made a deck before I entered the game, why the hell do I want to create a new one. I dont play arena.
Can your 30 cards and choices beat my 30 cards and choices not....bonus round for ResidentSleeper warrior. I aslo feel its also very likely a warrior is going to have more removal(aka synergy with what they are already playing anyway) in its choices because the class has so much of it. Someone earlier stated they had Omega Assembly as a option........stop this. Seeing 5-6 devastators and zilliax per game is so obnoxious.
If this game comes to point where every deck is running Archivist, it is at its worst time. Constructed/Arena hybrid is not an option I've ever select.
as a wild player really sad to not seeing Darkest Hour in the list but i voted for Archmage Vargoth on last thread because its really strong addition to wild big priest and jade druid
Results from https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/232779-whats-the-dumbest-addition-in-this-expansion
#1 Blastmaster Boom 14.4% 72/500 votes
#2 Omega Devastator 13.6% 68/500 votes
#3 Archivist Elysiana 8.6% 43/500 votes
#4 Underbelly Angler and Archmage Vargoth 7.6% 38/500
#5 The Forest's Aid 7.2% 36/500
Worth noting 205/500 voting for something from RoS not listed above. Slightly over 40%.
Why Blastmaster Boom?
In general and not surprisingly there is a lot general hate for the bomb warrior archetype. Clear board, insert bombs, rinse and repeat until free damage gives a Victory!
Why Omega Devastator?
Did you think Crowd Roaster was good? How about a 3 mana cheaper one that does 3 more damage(7 counting rush in) and doesn't need hand synergy AND has mech synergies.
Why Archivist Elysiana?
Anyone up for a 40 minute game?
Yeah - I don't like the option of letting every control deck going infinite in the same heavily RNG-based way.
Why Underbelly Angler?
Hagatha-like value that generates more synergy cards. Worth noting Underbelly can generate itself and legendary murlocs. Ways of generating more 2 of a card in a deck is always good but perhaps this is just too extreme. The downside to spam/aggro decks is supposed to be the ability to run out of steam. I can now see murloc shaman winning games easily past the turn 8 mark.
lol:
Why Archmage Vargoth?
Mostly it seems to be because of how good/broken/OP he is in Res Priest/Big Priest.
Why Forest's Aid?
Clear 4 waves in a row or die to ferocious roar. I'm personally hugely disgusted by both the cards Savage Roar and Bloodlust. Getting a victory simply for vomiting tokens on the board seems extremely braindead and stale for gameplay to me.
Fun > Meta
In this meta Soul of the Forest and Soul of the Murloc are the dumbest cards, they make Bloodlust and Savage Roar too consistent. As a slow deck you need 10+ board clears including 2 very specific to counter the soul cards like Warpath or Vanish, some classes just can't do that and I find that annoying.
I could say that Omega Devastator is a little bit too powerful, or Omega Assembly, or Mad Genius, or Dragon Roar (in this particular meta), or Brawl. I think they are OP but still fine cards individually, but warrior really has everything a control archetype could ever dream of and it's only the first expansion of the year. I love playing warrior so it's not a huge deal to me but I definitely understand why a lot of player are worried or frustrated about the state of warrior.
Elysiana I think people are being unfair to her, I understand the hate towards long games and yes she can be a bit polarizing when they have her in the deck and you don't, but I don't agree with the coin flip mirror and the "infinite value" argument. Most control warriors still play all the draw engines against my control Warrior. They lose because of this, not because of Elysiana bad luck. Also you can tech against fatigue more easily than most other techs, because you just need to remove card draw from your deck and add more good cards that do something. I'm ahead in fatigue in like 100% of the games.
The poll was for RoS cards only.
As for as Elysiana is concerned.
https://hsreplay.net/replay/Thpz3L2hxNcPwWNb8vXJ4L
I played around supercollider and sincerely feel like I outplayed this residentsleeper warrior the entire game, BUT I did not win. He not only rolled a lot of 7 armors, he dodged fatigue, and got direct spells in his choices. This is bullshit. Just an example.
Fun > Meta
Warrior, Rogue, Druid
I agree with Omega Devastator completely. The entire playstyle of warrior right now makes it mandatory to reach 10 mana, so that card is just a delayed 4 mana deal 10 damage. On top of that you're almost guaranteed to get it from Omega Assembly (another very strong card) and from Boom hero power (in my experience). I think it needs to lose the mech tag for it to lose the dumb card title.
The rest are not that obnoxious. Vargoth is only consistent in Res Priest, The Forest's Aid is a fair card, without Twinspell it would be bad, Archivist Elysiana... While yes, it makes Control Warrior Kingsbane Rogue-like regarding fatigue, it's a good card to counter decks with Hakkar and Bomb Warrior.
Blastmaster Boom is a card that only works in a single deck, and that deck is far from OP, so I wouldn't say it will have too much of an effect on the overall game. Bomb Warrior is just a new archetype that has proven to be good so it's popular right now.
As for Angler, I don't really have an opinion, as I haven't encountered them very often.
On it's own, it's meh, but when you pair it with Raiding Party and Dread Corsair, Waggle Pick is stupidly powerful.
I guess that would be my pick.
less 10% (less than 50/500) voted for any of the new Rogue cards. Wagglepick was highest with 5.0% which is mostly probably because of the Leeroy spam it helps with and that dread corsair is a free 3/3 taunt on equip doesn't hurt. If you imagine it the other way around it seems ridiculous. 4 cost 3/3 taunt that summons a 4/2 weapon.
Archivist is a lame counter to bombs to me. I think giest rotated so I supposed there isn't a counter for hakkar curse anymore either. Defeats the purpose of creating your deck in the first place.
Blastmaster himself I feel is good but I dont mind nzoth/BRguldan/zuljin-like swing turns so much though this is only a 7 cost one. I do definitely agree adding 36 to 87 dmg(87 is low rolling all boombots) in bombs/boombots is complete bullshit and trash game design. It's a win for sitting on your ass archetype. Why shouldnt every class just have 3/3s that do rng dmg at a later point, etc. It's just dumb.
Angler. It's just too much value. Imagine if there was a two drop that was like this for demons. It would be used BUT not too oppressive because some demons are kind of bad and vary in amount of mana you spend. Pretty much same for every tribe EXCEPT murlocs. You got just going to refill your hand with more cheap cards.
Fun > Meta
Surprised Archivist Elysiana made the list.... I guess the people who spent all their dust on Bomb Warrior day 1 are salty. I mean it's a VERY good control card and the RNG is kind of bullshit but it doesn't break the game in the same way as The Forest's Aid
Really? You think having 40-50 cards vs an opponent with 30 is fair? Did you watch the hsreplay i posted in third comment. There should have been no way I lost that match the way I played. If youre gonna be a lameass and just armor up and remove, you should at least at some point have the possibility of running out of resources. This is the stupidest card I've ever seen.
You've probably realized what my vote was. lol.
Fun > Meta
This is the stupidest card you've ever seen? Seriously? Does Jade Idol ring a bell? Pre-nerf Kingsbane? Shudderwock back when the combo was still alive? THOSE were broken infinite value cards. Elysiana is a neutral legendary that anyone can use and she's barely even played right now...
This is the most senseless whine I've seen on this forum in a while
"senseless whine"
Cool story.
Fun > Meta
Sure, use my syntax as an argument. Also who the fuck uses ''cool story'' in 2019? Grow up dude your survey was interesting but if you're going to be too immature to have a debate don't fucking create threads on forums
I used to love Archivist, but after one particular discover session, I just feel dirty.
Gruul, Omega Assembly, Big Game Hunter (for his Deathwings he got off his Archivist), Gorehowl, and . . .
MOTHER FUCKING CHEF NOMI.
Sickest shit ever. Took opponent down from 70 armor.
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Of course, the winner is a card that won't be played at all (It is already barely played) in 2 weeks. Hearthpwn as a whole has a rank 25 mentality.
Top 5 OP cards interactions:
1. Conjurer's Calling with Khadgar on Mountain Giant
2. The Forest's Aid into boardclear into The Forest's Aid into boardclear into The Forest's Aid into boardclear into The Forest's Aid into double Savage Roar
3. Blastmaster Boom with 3+ bombs shuffled and Dr. Boom hero played.
4. Priest hypermill with Pyro/Cleric and Auctioneer into Chef Nomi/Seance
5. Leeroy face into Waggle Pick face into Leeroy face into Eviscerate for 20 dmg from hand
But there's a lot more where that came from
@Shadowrisen LMAO ROFL duuude that IS dirty!
See that absolutely fucking stupid. Omega Assembly VALUE in VALUE! More removal. Just bad. Being neutral doesnt save it at all. Not all classes for built for longass game anyway.
#2 is too accurate
1/2/5 is pretty cancer. I've seen chef nomi priest and it just looks silly. Useless versus any warrior in most cases. Often i see priest having to use seance on something else so they cant even go for it twice.
Was leeroy coldblood + faceless ever a thing?
Fun > Meta
Sorry, OP, but you are being unfair to Archivist Elysiana. Everything what Ferrafox said regarding her is true.
If you felt bad for losing to a greedy deck, that included her (+ a Baleful Banker), and you also play slow decks, then run her as well. She's not given to a specific class, so in theory every control list can benefit from her. It's another topic, that only warrior can afford to play her due to its strong defensive tools. You shouldn't dismiss look at her downside, that she is a 100% dead card against any other deck. Costing 8 mana makes her a super slow body only playable in the late-game and her deck deleting effect is just brutal, if you are desperate to find a second Brawl or Shield Slam/Execute etc. I admit, that she can feel bad to lose against, if she gives your opponent 10 cards from high-quality, but that's completely random and this goes for other random generating cards as well. It's just the stupid nature of hearthstone.
I remember achingly the old metas with jade druid, before Skulking Geist was implemented. Jade Idol had to be the card with the stupidest design from MSoG. It negated fatigue, it was extremely cheap (and enabled combos with Gadgetzan Auctioneer), it couldn't be countered and summoned larger and larger men with each cast. As a Renolock/Mage and whatever I felt being on the clock and once the golems became 5/5+, I couldn't deal with them anymore. Archivist Elysiana is not like that. She's million times fairer and she can be included in every class, if you can afford her.
Strongly disagree. There is NOTHING fair about cheating out fatigue. Wasnt a fan of jade idol either but im not going to talk about wild stuff. The you can run it too argument is weak. You use up all your resources, you should lose. Refills card like this shouldnt exist. Saying something of an older expansion with somewhat similar more cancerous and steamroll function is bad but this "fine" doesnt even sound right.
The only people that actually want to waste an hour playing a single game of hearthstone are warrior players. It really isnt a "oh lets throw in this tech" card. It's not like weapon removal or something. Even if I was one of those people that wanted to waste that much time, I already made a deck before I entered the game, why the hell do I want to create a new one. I dont play arena.
Can your 30 cards and choices beat my 30 cards and choices not....bonus round for ResidentSleeper warrior. I aslo feel its also very likely a warrior is going to have more removal(aka synergy with what they are already playing anyway) in its choices because the class has so much of it. Someone earlier stated they had Omega Assembly as a option........stop this. Seeing 5-6 devastators and zilliax per game is so obnoxious.
If this game comes to point where every deck is running Archivist, it is at its worst time. Constructed/Arena hybrid is not an option I've ever select.
Fun > Meta
as a wild player really sad to not seeing Darkest Hour in the list but i voted for Archmage Vargoth on last thread because its really strong addition to wild big priest and jade druid