Who the fuck said I was a control player, and I didn't generalize OTK decks if you actually read it properly you would have known but ending games in OTK consistently at around round 5-7 is not fun for anyone. And talking about being biased when you start your reply with biased yourself
I've been on these forums for awhile now. It's pretty easy to know the control mains when they start making sweeping 'objective' generalizations about what is or isn't fun for "everyone" (whatever that means). Also, your complaints of two playstyles that have the potential to beat control doesn't really put your post in a good light of suggesting that you don't primarily main control. It's also pretty obvious when you resort to copypasta edgy catch phrases, such as aggro not requiring strategy/skill. Even as a combo/otk main, who is naturally countered by the aggro playstyle, understands the various elements of skill needed when playing aggro.
I agree with the others here, you're salty af. Time to move on and stop spamming these forums with premature doomsayer balance threads for a meta that isn't even established fully.
I've been out-aggroing it with my Miracle Rogue and easily beating it with Control Shaman. No current decklist is completely perfected or optimized yet. So we're bound to find better decks that will beat Token Druid with ease. It is winning right now because aggro and fast midrange such as Token Druid prey on slower decks that are not fully optimized, and on not-so-good players.
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try this deck. I've been using this to demolish aggro, it's weak against control decks, particularly bomb control decks or anything that runs elysiana, but it demolishes Token druid and murloc shamman, and has a fairly winnable matchup against hyperaggressive hunter builds.
Also if you ask about dr.morrigan, i'm using it to generate a board after a beltrug turn but you can cut it for either a second Tunnel Blaster, an Archivist Elysiana or more healing
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Who the fuck said I was a control player, and I didn't generalize OTK decks if you actually read it properly you would have known but ending games in OTK consistently at around round 5-7 is not fun for anyone. And talking about being biased when you start your reply with biased yourself
I've been on these forums for awhile now. It's pretty easy to know the control mains when they start making sweeping 'objective' generalizations about what is or isn't fun for "everyone" (whatever that means). Also, your complaints of two playstyles that have the potential to beat control doesn't really put your post in a good light of suggesting that you don't primarily main control. It's also pretty obvious when you resort to copypasta edgy catch phrases, such as aggro not requiring strategy/skill. Even as a combo/otk main, who is naturally countered by the aggro playstyle, understands the various elements of skill needed when playing aggro.
I agree with the others here, you're salty af. Time to move on and stop spamming these forums with premature doomsayer balance threads for a meta that isn't even established fully.
Sup guys, I'm not a very good player but I too have been having a lot of trouble against Token Druid. I'm ngl Token Druid makes my rock hard Garosh pee pee go soft. Now I'm forced to play that wimpy Gul Dingus, just so I can out-aggro his bullshit turn 4 into turn 5 coin 35 damage to my face. OP is right, Token is a cancer that must be eradicated for the greater good. At the time of this post, Token Druid has a ~57% win rate on Standard. That's some bullshit my dudes.
And yes, I see y'all druid players giving OP the beatdown. That's totally not biased at all, huhuhu! Let's all be objective yea? And by being objective I mean Token Druid should be deleted off the game
Im playing control shaman as a main deck and i have really 0 problem with any aggro deck due to very nice board clears in shaman this expansion with Hagathas Scheme, Lightning storm and Hagatha itself!
I agree let’s delete token druid from the game. Along with zoo, every rogue deck and every warrior deck, and while we are at it, let’s just delete the game. Once token druid fall off the meta people will just start to complain about the next broken deck anyway. Let the meta settle before going crazy people. Token druid may be strong right now. But the meta is still very fresh. Token druid may not even be around that much in a week or even a couple days.
Till Blizzard decide to nerf the amount of removal and infinite mech generation by Warrior has, then Token Druid isn't going anywhere. Warrior can literally just armour up and remove everything every class has till it has nothing left and still be sitting on about 60 hp by the end of it. The only reason there's so much Token bullshit because it's the only class that can rush down a Warrior. Until Blizz decide to do something about it then ladder is just going to be full of Warrior vs Token Druid, every other class feels invalid at this point. GG Blizz.
I mean I don't have a problem with the concept of token druid. But they seem a little over the top with this latest expansion.
You can fully tech against them, and clear their board 4 times in a row and they will happily refill the board after each time and then easily kill you once you run out of removal.
They just have too much board refill this time around.
Honestly i don't find it that disgusting, never played it and will never, but every time i found one i know it's free win as it is easy to take the board early (with thief rogue)
ooof, My winrate against druid with tempo/thief rogue is not good at all, you just go face and don't trade or? I imagine that could work with the tempo rogue
I go for full board control and trade before anything become dangerous
Got to say I disagree and Ive played a lot of warrior rogue and shaman as well. Cancer is bomb warrior with infinite removal and Dr Boom hero giving 50 armor in a game, Espionage Togwaggle rogue with infinity discover random card generation, Hagatha murloc shaman with infinity murloc and spells, or the new shaman deck with the 5 mana alakir into two more alakirs plus infinite hagatha value (see what Im getting at? INFINITE is cancer).
Token druid zerging you down because you dont want to run a few lightning storms/spell damage+fan of knives or pyro, or maybe run two blizzards and a couple doomsayers? I mean the biggest minions a toke druid has are 2 health treants…and they have to stick on the board long enoigh to get buffed (other than power of the wild most driud buffs are 4 mana or up)
Running greedy decks like everyone is doing right now just makes them pray to aggro strats which is why murloc and token are back and winning. Atleast with token druid you can exhaust their minions, they only have so many in their deck with little way to generate more unless they stick and can be buffed. Another good strat is be aggro your self, my token druid got hammered by a couple secret paladins so i had to tech in an anti secret card
I don't get how this is salt, salt is just whining without any purpose or relevance. I feel like I have an actual point and I don't feel like this kind of deck is in any shape or form healthy for the game, like odd paladin was for an example look how that went, Hall of famed way early
It's the standard blizz juice drinker non-thought out response: it's salt. There is no point in attempting to have a constructive conversation in these (or any) forums about something you see as a problem. It's one extreme or the other. There's no more gray and reasoning discussions. Welcome to the 21st century lol
Token druid refills the board way too easy and very consistently. Oddly enough, Zoo Warlock has a favorable matchup against it (Sorry data is from a paid subscription - otherwise, I'd share).
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I've been out-aggroing it with my Miracle Rogue and easily beating it with Control Shaman. No current decklist is completely perfected or optimized yet. So we're bound to find better decks that will beat Token Druid with ease. It is winning right now because aggro and fast midrange such as Token Druid prey on slower decks that are not fully optimized, and on not-so-good players.
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try using Dollmaster Dorian in that deck instead of Sense Demons. it really helps :)
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I agree. Token Druid is cancerous.
Sup guys, I'm not a very good player but I too have been having a lot of trouble against Token Druid. I'm ngl Token Druid makes my rock hard Garosh pee pee go soft. Now I'm forced to play that wimpy Gul Dingus, just so I can out-aggro his bullshit turn 4 into turn 5 coin 35 damage to my face.
OP is right, Token is a cancer that must be eradicated for the greater good.
At the time of this post, Token Druid has a ~57% win rate on Standard. That's some bullshit my dudes.
And yes, I see y'all druid players giving OP the beatdown. That's totally not biased at all, huhuhu! Let's all be objective yea?
And by being objective I mean Token Druid should be deleted off the game
did you have that legendary in your deck, or you get it with portal, please?
Im playing control shaman as a main deck and i have really 0 problem with any aggro deck due to very nice board clears in shaman this expansion with Hagathas Scheme, Lightning storm and Hagatha itself!
I can just recommend control shaman in this meta
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my wish as #69 is delete token druid blizzard pls
edit:god damn i got sniped now we have to deal w token druid
If the meta does not change so this is garbage or that deck gets nerfed, that was it for me.
This deck is pure BS
I agree let’s delete token druid from the game. Along with zoo, every rogue deck and every warrior deck, and while we are at it, let’s just delete the game. Once token druid fall off the meta people will just start to complain about the next broken deck anyway. Let the meta settle before going crazy people. Token druid may be strong right now. But the meta is still very fresh. Token druid may not even be around that much in a week or even a couple days.
Till Blizzard decide to nerf the amount of removal and infinite mech generation by Warrior has, then Token Druid isn't going anywhere. Warrior can literally just armour up and remove everything every class has till it has nothing left and still be sitting on about 60 hp by the end of it. The only reason there's so much Token bullshit because it's the only class that can rush down a Warrior. Until Blizz decide to do something about it then ladder is just going to be full of Warrior vs Token Druid, every other class feels invalid at this point. GG Blizz.
I’ve been recently running 2 mind control tech against Druid and it works wonders. Both against lucent bark Druid and Aggro token.
I mean I don't have a problem with the concept of token druid. But they seem a little over the top with this latest expansion.
You can fully tech against them, and clear their board 4 times in a row and they will happily refill the board after each time and then easily kill you once you run out of removal.
They just have too much board refill this time around.
If you play suboptimal decks and get your ass kick, deal with it and stop complaining. This is bound to happen.
If you play Tier 1 decks and have a low winrate after a good sample size, you are a bad player. Learn to play and stop whining!
Token Druid is a good deck, but not nearly as broken as many bad players here think. The best decks right now is Control Warrior.
I go for full board control and trade before anything become dangerous
Got to say I disagree and Ive played a lot of warrior rogue and shaman as well. Cancer is bomb warrior with infinite removal and Dr Boom hero giving 50 armor in a game, Espionage Togwaggle rogue with infinity discover random card generation, Hagatha murloc shaman with infinity murloc and spells, or the new shaman deck with the 5 mana alakir into two more alakirs plus infinite hagatha value (see what Im getting at? INFINITE is cancer).
Token druid zerging you down because you dont want to run a few lightning storms/spell damage+fan of knives or pyro, or maybe run two blizzards and a couple doomsayers? I mean the biggest minions a toke druid has are 2 health treants…and they have to stick on the board long enoigh to get buffed (other than power of the wild most driud buffs are 4 mana or up)
Running greedy decks like everyone is doing right now just makes them pray to aggro strats which is why murloc and token are back and winning. Atleast with token druid you can exhaust their minions, they only have so many in their deck with little way to generate more unless they stick and can be buffed. Another good strat is be aggro your self, my token druid got hammered by a couple secret paladins so i had to tech in an anti secret card
Token druid is pure cancer. Horrible overpowered deck
It's the standard blizz juice drinker non-thought out response: it's salt. There is no point in attempting to have a constructive conversation in these (or any) forums about something you see as a problem. It's one extreme or the other. There's no more gray and reasoning discussions. Welcome to the 21st century lol
Token druid refills the board way too easy and very consistently. Oddly enough, Zoo Warlock has a favorable matchup against it (Sorry data is from a paid subscription - otherwise, I'd share).
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