Yeah I was thinking the same thing, everyone just says go to salt thread in any meaningful discussion talking nerfs. Hearthstone is a very mind-altering game.
What grinds my gears is noobs win I go on 100% pure luck when I had every right to win based off my plays. Sure I fuck upnfrom time to time, but 7x topdecking noobs for a win they were way behind in us so infuriating. Oh well
Weak moderation on the developers and on community driven sites. If you want to create some order and a sense of respect you have to be authoritative. There is too much entitlement and too little reprimanding both in game and especially on sites like this. However, we indoctrinate a sense of free-speech and push it to the absolute limit. You’ll notice that comments and threads that get shut down had physical threats at its core. Otherwise we enable you to say anything you want to another behind the safety of your keyboard and call it a non issue.
Weak moderation on the developers and on community driven sites. If you want to create some order and a sense of respect you have to be authoritative. There is too much entitlement and too little reprimanding both in game and especially on sites like this. However, we indoctrinate a sense of free-speech and push it to the absolute limit. You’ll notice that comments and threads that get shut down had physical threats at its core. Otherwise we enable you to say anything you want to another behind the safety of your keyboard and call it a non issue.
I have redirected people to the salt thread lots of times. Most of the nerf threads is reduced to: "Fuck this broken hard. I hate it because it's so OP." No discussion, no arguments, it's just salt.
If people spend just a few minutes to setup an actual discussion, consider their arguments and things like that then they'll get their discussion (most of the time).
No redirects to salt thread please, have some competence possession haha. Genuinely curious why so much salt for every imaginable thing.
To wonder what makes a negative community is to wonder why people post so negatively.
to which I'll say "you know why though you don't realize it."
Seriously, take a look at your posting record, and note just how many of your posts involve either a direct negative complaint over something, or, even if it is overall positive, involves a negative insult i.e. "dipshit noobs with no skill".
This isn't a complaint against you, but a way to show just how easily a negative community is formed. A game, or event, or concept, or whatever can make a person passionate. That passion can be positive or negative, or course. The thing is, if it's positive then you aren't going to feel compelled to talk about it. There's only so much "wow this is great!" you can say, especially when you'd rather be..well.. playing instead.
When we see something that needs to be changed, though, an improvement or something going wrong, and we have passion, then we want to get together. We want to find others who agree, or convince those who disagree of our standing. We want to soften the negative feelings with togetherness. We want to rally together to look for ways to bring about change. 1001 other reasons a sociologist can get deeper into.
The more passionate we are towards said game/event/whatever, the more emotional we get, so negative feelings get amplified, logical thinking gets decreased, assumptions get made, and so on. Mix in a batch of that feeling of being anonymous and a dash of the feeling of talking to your computer rather than to another human being, and you get a LOT of reasons to be negative, or 'to be salty'.
So what makes a negative community? Passion, lack of fleshy meetups, a desire to fix or change something, and there you go.
Note that a game being bad or good actually isn't a requirement. Some of the worst communities can come from a very good game. The game brings a lot of passion and the 'desire to fix/change' comes from the community wanting to make everyone LOVE the game.
(I'd take the worst of the hearthstone community over the Undertale community during that game's peak)
My guess, it's easier to hate on something than to do a constructive comment and/or constructive criticism (and some people mistake criticism for hate, which is another thing).
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What grinds my gears is noobs win I go on 100% pure luck when I had every right to win based off my plays. Sure I fuck upnfrom time to time, but 7x topdecking noobs for a win they were way behind in us so infuriating. Oh well
Nobody is surprised by such angry posts:
it has become normal to rage about certain themes, people are just enforcing stereotypes here. Everyone may hate upon big priests, whiny FTPs, arrogant PTWs, and doubting Team 5's decisions is open for all. So, while salty posts and threads are often more interesting to read, they also make you more perceptive to faults. If you didn't knew "Netdecking is evil" you might see netdecks as a fair choice, the natural outcome of a deck-evolution. So, with enforced stereotypes and complete anonymity you return here an write what hundreds of others wrote before, which is just the following of a salty culture here.
Weak moderation on the developers and on community driven sites. If you want to create some order and a sense of respect you have to be authoritative. There is too much entitlement and too little reprimanding both in game and especially on sites like this. However, we indoctrinate a sense of free-speech and push it to the absolute limit. You’ll notice that comments and threads that get shut down had physical threats at its core. Otherwise we enable you to say anything you want to another behind the safety of your keyboard and call it a non issue.
Whoa calm down there lil dictator :p
Seriously though, if you don't believe in freedom of speech for those who disagree with you, you don't believe in it at all.As you said, as long as what i am saying does not do any physical or any other kind of harm to anyone else, i have every right to say it.My freedom's only boundary, is the freedom of the others.
As for op, seriously there is not even a fraction of the salt that the fanboys claim there is.Just do a search of whining threads and the whining about other people whining threads.The number of the latter dwarves the former.
''Whhaaaaaaaa, they do not like everything my favourite company does!Whaaaaaaaaaaa!This community is so salty!Whhaaaaaaaaaa! Such negativity!Whaaaaaa''
I have redirected people to the salt thread lots of times. Most of the nerf threads is reduced to: "Fuck this broken hard. I hate it because it's so OP." No discussion, no arguments, it's just salt.
If people spend just a few minutes to setup an actual discussion, consider their arguments and things like that then they'll get their discussion (most of the time).
What you give is what you get.
There are other good responses above but I wanted to highlight this one, partly out of curiosity for how other people post comments.
Over half the time I think "Yeah, I'll reply to X with Y", I start writing my response, refine it a bit, then decide that what I had to say isn't nearly as helpful as I first thought and abandon the comment altogether. A recent example was with the Witch's Brew discussion thread where I had collected together all the asinine comments about "Why doesn't it have echo" and was about to make a scathing remark about people needlessly repeating each other, then thought better of it since it would have achieved nothing but yet another argument in a thread that was meant to be about how good a card is, not Blizzard's design philosophy.
Since I always* back out of posting anything insulting, I don't invite any aggressive comments back at me. So yeah, negativity spawns negativity, and we can all be active in reducing it by not joining in.
*at least I hope its always. I cannot guarantee someone won't misinterpret me.
Social media provides an opportunity for a lot of people to role play - the anonymity of the media eliminates the social "cost" that would immediately be paid if the stupid shit people post was actually said IRL. But online, folks can pretend to be more-or-less omniscient experts on any subject they choose - HS, in our case, but everything else, more generally. Most folks aren't particularly clever - about two-thirds of the folks using social media are C-students, or considerably worse - so the opportunity to role play as an expert on everything is quite alluring, given that there is no cost associated to aimlessly talking out of one's ass when posting on social media. As it turns out, aimless-ass-talking isn't often constructive, helpful or particularly optimistic - quite often, it's the opposite. But almost all of it is pretence - the shit-posters are talking about shit they don't understand, don't particularly care about, and consequently can't possibly have honest opinions about. These folks are venting their frustrations, and getting a little bit of free therapy every time they finger-blast their iPhone, pretending to be upset at something.
Negative community is created by Nazi Kids Blizzard's funs. These are the worst category in my opinion. The people that believe that Hearthstone is always perfect because made by Blizzard, the people that when you complain because Hearthstone suck have always to offend you only because you are complaining or to write the salty thread link.
They are in fact Nazi, because with them you can't complain you have always to say that the game is perfect, so the liberty in the freedom of word is not allowed.
This is a category cancer, that in my opinion, it is really ruining the game, and the reasons are:
1) It is frustrating for the users see always these stupid guys
2) We have to complain, because the game like now, really suck and it is loosing people
3) If you don't complain you don't give back the feedback to Blizzard, telling them why the people are leaving the game
4) They are not collaborative at all
The word would be easy without them. A person complain and an easy answer "no I like it because..." instead of receiving always that dumb answers like: Cry baby, salty tread, you are dumb and this shit.
No redirects to salt thread please, have some competence possession haha. Genuinely curious why so much salt for every imaginable thing.
Humans!
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, everyone just says go to salt thread in any meaningful discussion talking nerfs. Hearthstone is a very mind-altering game.
Human stupidity
I think in general it is easier leaving a negative comment on the internet than when having the same discussion face to face.
You tell me
https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/207491-barnes-and-yshaarj-glitch
What grinds my gears is noobs win I go on 100% pure luck when I had every right to win based off my plays. Sure I fuck upnfrom time to time, but 7x topdecking noobs for a win they were way behind in us so infuriating. Oh well
Weak moderation on the developers and on community driven sites. If you want to create some order and a sense of respect you have to be authoritative. There is too much entitlement and too little reprimanding both in game and especially on sites like this. However, we indoctrinate a sense of free-speech and push it to the absolute limit. You’ll notice that comments and threads that get shut down had physical threats at its core. Otherwise we enable you to say anything you want to another behind the safety of your keyboard and call it a non issue.
clap you win sir
Big priest
I have redirected people to the salt thread lots of times. Most of the nerf threads is reduced to: "Fuck this broken hard. I hate it because it's so OP." No discussion, no arguments, it's just salt.
If people spend just a few minutes to setup an actual discussion, consider their arguments and things like that then they'll get their discussion (most of the time).
What you give is what you get.
pogchamps frustrates me - kappa
To wonder what makes a negative community is to wonder why people post so negatively.
to which I'll say "you know why though you don't realize it."
Seriously, take a look at your posting record, and note just how many of your posts involve either a direct negative complaint over something, or, even if it is overall positive, involves a negative insult i.e. "dipshit noobs with no skill".
This isn't a complaint against you, but a way to show just how easily a negative community is formed. A game, or event, or concept, or whatever can make a person passionate. That passion can be positive or negative, or course. The thing is, if it's positive then you aren't going to feel compelled to talk about it. There's only so much "wow this is great!" you can say, especially when you'd rather be..well.. playing instead.
When we see something that needs to be changed, though, an improvement or something going wrong, and we have passion, then we want to get together. We want to find others who agree, or convince those who disagree of our standing. We want to soften the negative feelings with togetherness. We want to rally together to look for ways to bring about change. 1001 other reasons a sociologist can get deeper into.
The more passionate we are towards said game/event/whatever, the more emotional we get, so negative feelings get amplified, logical thinking gets decreased, assumptions get made, and so on. Mix in a batch of that feeling of being anonymous and a dash of the feeling of talking to your computer rather than to another human being, and you get a LOT of reasons to be negative, or 'to be salty'.
So what makes a negative community? Passion, lack of fleshy meetups, a desire to fix or change something, and there you go.
Note that a game being bad or good actually isn't a requirement. Some of the worst communities can come from a very good game. The game brings a lot of passion and the 'desire to fix/change' comes from the community wanting to make everyone LOVE the game.
(I'd take the worst of the hearthstone community over the Undertale community during that game's peak)
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
My guess, it's easier to hate on something than to do a constructive comment and/or constructive criticism (and some people mistake criticism for hate, which is another thing).
“If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.” ― George Bernard Shaw
EU Legend: S52 (ZooHeal Lock); S76 (Highlander Hunter);
Nobody is surprised by such angry posts:
it has become normal to rage about certain themes, people are just enforcing stereotypes here. Everyone may hate upon big priests, whiny FTPs, arrogant PTWs, and doubting Team 5's decisions is open for all. So, while salty posts and threads are often more interesting to read, they also make you more perceptive to faults. If you didn't knew "Netdecking is evil" you might see netdecks as a fair choice, the natural outcome of a deck-evolution. So, with enforced stereotypes and complete anonymity you return here an write what hundreds of others wrote before, which is just the following of a salty culture here.
Competition
Whoa calm down there lil dictator :p
Seriously though, if you don't believe in freedom of speech for those who disagree with you, you don't believe in it at all.As you said, as long as what i am saying does not do any physical or any other kind of harm to anyone else, i have every right to say it.My freedom's only boundary, is the freedom of the others.
As for op, seriously there is not even a fraction of the salt that the fanboys claim there is.Just do a search of whining threads and the whining about other people whining threads.The number of the latter dwarves the former.
''Whhaaaaaaaa, they do not like everything my favourite company does!Whaaaaaaaaaaa!This community is so salty!Whhaaaaaaaaaa! Such negativity!Whaaaaaa''
There are other good responses above but I wanted to highlight this one, partly out of curiosity for how other people post comments.
Over half the time I think "Yeah, I'll reply to X with Y", I start writing my response, refine it a bit, then decide that what I had to say isn't nearly as helpful as I first thought and abandon the comment altogether. A recent example was with the Witch's Brew discussion thread where I had collected together all the asinine comments about "Why doesn't it have echo" and was about to make a scathing remark about people needlessly repeating each other, then thought better of it since it would have achieved nothing but yet another argument in a thread that was meant to be about how good a card is, not Blizzard's design philosophy.
Since I always* back out of posting anything insulting, I don't invite any aggressive comments back at me. So yeah, negativity spawns negativity, and we can all be active in reducing it by not joining in.
*at least I hope its always. I cannot guarantee someone won't misinterpret me.
Social media provides an opportunity for a lot of people to role play - the anonymity of the media eliminates the social "cost" that would immediately be paid if the stupid shit people post was actually said IRL. But online, folks can pretend to be more-or-less omniscient experts on any subject they choose - HS, in our case, but everything else, more generally. Most folks aren't particularly clever - about two-thirds of the folks using social media are C-students, or considerably worse - so the opportunity to role play as an expert on everything is quite alluring, given that there is no cost associated to aimlessly talking out of one's ass when posting on social media. As it turns out, aimless-ass-talking isn't often constructive, helpful or particularly optimistic - quite often, it's the opposite. But almost all of it is pretence - the shit-posters are talking about shit they don't understand, don't particularly care about, and consequently can't possibly have honest opinions about. These folks are venting their frustrations, and getting a little bit of free therapy every time they finger-blast their iPhone, pretending to be upset at something.
Negative community is created by Nazi Kids Blizzard's funs. These are the worst category in my opinion. The people that believe that Hearthstone is always perfect because made by Blizzard, the people that when you complain because Hearthstone suck have always to offend you only because you are complaining or to write the salty thread link.
They are in fact Nazi, because with them you can't complain you have always to say that the game is perfect, so the liberty in the freedom of word is not allowed.
This is a category cancer, that in my opinion, it is really ruining the game, and the reasons are:
1) It is frustrating for the users see always these stupid guys
2) We have to complain, because the game like now, really suck and it is loosing people
3) If you don't complain you don't give back the feedback to Blizzard, telling them why the people are leaving the game
4) They are not collaborative at all
The word would be easy without them. A person complain and an easy answer "no I like it because..." instead of receiving always that dumb answers like: Cry baby, salty tread, you are dumb and this shit.