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Shaman isn't as good at doing the things it does as other classes that do the same things, and it doesn't have a niche.

It's a worse odd/even deck than paladin, warlock, and mage.
It's a worse midrange deck than Hunter.
It doesn't have a control/otk finisher.

tl;dr Shaman is weak, comparatively.

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Climb down there before getting too uptight about it. 
The point here is that the post by the previous person stated that the cards were "I-Win" cards which apparently guarantee you a win when you play them. If a card is called "I-Win", then it makes perfect sense that this is what you are somehow claiming.

My simple point is that there are no such things. There are powerful card that give you an advantage (if you're lucky enough to have them when you need them like Barnes, etc), but even those cards do not guarantee you a win. And they certainly aren't "game-breakers".
Rexxar's not even that good except for in a small handful of matchups!

Next time you decide to over-exaggerate something to try and make a point, consider what you're actually claiming. It doesn't help your case and usually only serves to make people less inclined to take you seriously. 

Lastly, it's cool - you can keep your stick. I've seen where you store it and I'm really not into that kind of thing...

 Ok you are stupid. If you have a card that has a %80 WR when played it is a "i win" card if you are not rank 25. If you have a statistically have %85 WR in a card game it is pratically unbeatable. Hell it is theoretically impossible   winning every game, disconnections happens all the time in this game for example . But if a deck has a %80 WR in 5 to legend ranks when a card is played on curve yes it is a "i win" card

And let me ask this question. How can you win against big priest if they have 6 rags and you are playing a control deck, or how can you win against a big priest if they have 6 statues and you are playing a control deck?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfh9QDHwkFM

You can see how "i win" cards work in this video

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Yeah, fear the OPness of Odd Shaman, the most terrifying deck to plague the metagame since Clown Fiesta Paladin.

 Is clown fiesta paladin an actual deck? I'm intrigued now.

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Yeah, fear the OPness of Odd Shaman, the most terrifying deck to plague the metagame since Clown Fiesta Paladin.

 Is clown fiesta paladin an actual deck? I'm intrigued now.

 I think its referring to OTK paladin

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Yeah, fear the OPness of Odd Shaman, the most terrifying deck to plague the metagame since Clown Fiesta Paladin.

 Is clown fiesta paladin an actual deck? I'm intrigued now.

 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=clown fiesta paladin

It's unfortunate Shaman blows right now, because the class can be really fun to play. I am not giving up yet. I am trying to hit Legend with an elemental shaman build. It's actually surprisingly good vs. Priests.  I want to see if I can do it. Currently at rank 4 and it's not "that bad", but it is not as easy to win as it is with Hunter, Priest, etc.

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Climb down there before getting too uptight about it. 
The point here is that the post by the previous person stated that the cards were "I-Win" cards which apparently guarantee you a win when you play them. If a card is called "I-Win", then it makes perfect sense that this is what you are somehow claiming.

My simple point is that there are no such things. There are powerful card that give you an advantage (if you're lucky enough to have them when you need them like Barnes, etc), but even those cards do not guarantee you a win. And they certainly aren't "game-breakers".
Rexxar's not even that good except for in a small handful of matchups!

Next time you decide to over-exaggerate something to try and make a point, consider what you're actually claiming. It doesn't help your case and usually only serves to make people less inclined to take you seriously. 

Lastly, it's cool - you can keep your stick. I've seen where you store it and I'm really not into that kind of thing...

 Ok you are stupid. If you have a card that has a %80 WR when played it is a "i win" card if you are not rank 25. If you have a statistically have %85 WR in a card game it is pratically unbeatable. Hell it is theoretically impossible   winning every game, disconnections happens all the time in this game for example . But if a deck has a %80 WR in 5 to legend ranks when a card is played on curve yes it is a "i win" card

Oh. We're on to the personal insults because no valid argument phase now? Ok. ^_^
You believe "Practically unbeatable" equals "Unbeatable". Got it. 
And 80% win now means "Always win" - weirdly, I would have thought that "Always" would mean 100%, but I guess you're smarter than me.
And now having an 80% win rate in ranks 5 - legend instantly means a card is "I win". Lol. Whatever you say. :-)
Though I think your insults towards the legend players who are also at rank 25 in ladders they don't play often might offend some people. Well done.

And let me ask this question. How can you win against big priest if they have 6 rags and you are playing a control deck, or how can you win against a big priest if they have 6 statues and you are playing a control deck?

How does a priest get 6 Ragnoros's in standard? I'm intrigued. 
Seems like a pretty edge case but I gues you must know your stuff. Since we're going with fantasy-dream edge cases then, when this priest magically has his 6 Ragnaros on the board, when you have built up your 250 armour with Control Warrior (since we have a control deck), and your hand full of Brawls and other board clearances. And the priest who is in fatigue at this point:
How exactly did you lose? 

Let me save you the time here - if you managed to let the priest get 6 Ragnaros' on the board, the problem isn't with him. It's that you didn't stop him doing so.

 Firstly his turn 4 barnes and 2 ressurection spells and spellstone makes actually 7 rag not 6, and this can be done in turn 8-9 and if warrior is not mulliganed for 2 brawls he is done for(for turn 8 warrior can tank up 28 armor if its playing a baku deck) and if he mulliganed 2 brawls then he is lost too he can't counter second spellstone/nzoth/obsidian-cube etc. so yeah he is lost.And can you explain where is my-hell anybodies mistake who lost a big priest deck. That deck is a highroll deck for aggro and auto-win deck for any control

Secondly you are probably aware i am talking about wild section, because we are talking about rag and barnes after all. And where the hell i said i was talking about standart? I just made a statement for secret paladin had the highest WR for standart mode. Your second paragraph is definition of ad hominem. Nice try idiot

And lastly there is a big difference between "pratically impossibe" and "theoretically impossible". If you actually take your time and research it for like 5 minutes you can find tons of books and articles about this subject. For data science you can have a pratically %100 WR deck in any card game. This is why i called you stupid. But you are also ignorant about your stupidity

For those who is interested for "pratically" and "theoretically"difference for data science there is a book called Practical Statistics for Data Scientists by Peter Bruce and Andrew Bruce i highly recommend you to read it

DK Thrall compared to the other DKs is a perfect example of Blizzard's approach to Shaman since KoftFT. Meme city. But he could be poised for a comeback. Anything goes after rotation.

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Yeah, fear the OPness of Odd Shaman, the most terrifying deck to plague the metagame since Clown Fiesta Paladin.

 Is clown fiesta paladin an actual deck? I'm intrigued now.

 I think its referring to OTK paladin

 Why would he ever refer to a regular, competitively viable deck, as "clown fiesta"?

Like the majority of your posts, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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Stuff

All this stuff is irrelevant to the point I was making.
And that was in highlighting the fact that the previous poster - who you are defending for... #reasons? - made an over-exaggerated claim about certain cards being played that somehow meant you instantly won when they were played. A silly idea obviously, but here we are...
I simply pointed out that this was a nonsensical notion and that exaggerating comments like that does little more than cause people to take what could be valid points normally a lot less seriously. And to highlight that there are no such thing as "I win" cards.

Then we somehow started talking about random cards like Barnes and Rexxar for some reason - hardly "I win" cards. 
You don't agree? Fine. 
Happy Days. This seems like a really pointless argument to me...

 

 I litteraly showed you some examples and statistics why some of the cards i mentioned is "i win" card ( i personally use win-more term) then you spit some bullshit about standart while i obviously talking about wild cards but when i call you for it they became irrelevant ok buddy

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Yeah, fear the OPness of Odd Shaman, the most terrifying deck to plague the metagame since Clown Fiesta Paladin.

 Is clown fiesta paladin an actual deck? I'm intrigued now.

 I think its referring to OTK paladin

 Why would he ever refer to a regular, competitively viable deck, as "clown fiesta"?

Like the majority of your posts, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 Firstly who the hell are you? Secndly i didn't know what deck that was, but from the name i thought it was a meme deck so i wrote first paladin meme deck i know. Where of my post right here does not make any sense?

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Yeah, fear the OPness of Odd Shaman, the most terrifying deck to plague the metagame since Clown Fiesta Paladin.

 Is clown fiesta paladin an actual deck? I'm intrigued now.

 I think its referring to OTK paladin

 Why would he ever refer to a regular, competitively viable deck, as "clown fiesta"?

Like the majority of your posts, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 Firstly who the hell are you? Secndly i didn't know what deck that was, but from the name i thought it was a meme deck so i wrote first paladin meme deck i know. Where of my post right here does not make any sense?

 I am a user, just like you? What kind of stupid question is that?

The fact that OTK paladin is a legitimate deck and you somehow think it's "clown fiesta" instead, is what doesn't make sense.

Shouldn't be that hard to understand, really.

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Stuff

All this stuff is irrelevant to the point I was making.
And that was in highlighting the fact that the previous poster - who you are defending for... #reasons? - made an over-exaggerated claim about certain cards being played that somehow meant you instantly won when they were played. A silly idea obviously, but here we are...
I simply pointed out that this was a nonsensical notion and that exaggerating comments like that does little more than cause people to take what could be valid points normally a lot less seriously. And to highlight that there are no such thing as "I win" cards.

Then we somehow started talking about random cards like Barnes and Rexxar for some reason - hardly "I win" cards. 
You don't agree? Fine. 
Happy Days. This seems like a really pointless argument to me...

 

 I litteraly showed you some examples and statistics why some of the cards i mentioned is "i win" card ( i personally use win-more term) then you spit some bullshit about standart while i obviously talking about wild cards but when i call you for it they became irrelevant ok buddy

 Lol, nope! You literally tried to sidetrack the conversation by changing the semantics of the term. 
You even went and did it again right here. So now you claim to use "win more" rather than "I win" which is something completely different! Lol "Ok buddy"... >_>

 What the hell am i sidetracking? I will repeat myself one last time, firstly you were the one sidetracked the conversation in the first place. You spit some bullshit about standart while i was talking about barnes  . Secondly i explained mathematticaly how "i win" cards work and they EXIST in the game right now, you said they didn't exist. Then i explained how they can pratically exist in a card game (like barnes) and you said what I SAID was irrelevant?

You are one the biggest idiots i have ever seen in this site and thats saying something

I don't think "balanced" is the right word. You probably mean that Shaman is "fair" right now. And fair = bad in this meta.

I bet hybrid elemental / dragon shaman could be a thing after rotation with just little support. 

The deck will only lose firefly, tar creeper, 1 primordial drake, kalimos and unstable evolution (powerful with Kragwa but I don't think it's a must). They still have Agatha, Shudderwock, Kragwa, amalgam nightmare, zentimo and the small minions, while all other classes will lose a lot of key component  (like warlock, Druid, hunter, priest... They are gonna lose soooo much more).

https://hsreplay.net/