If you are playing a lot of bots that means your MMR is low which means you have been losing a lot and basically playing the worst players online at that moment. Get better and you won't see any bots at all.
Wow, what a worthless and completely arrogant answer.
If you are playing a lot of bots that means your MMR is low which means you have been losing a lot and basically playing the worst players online at that moment. Get better and you won't see any bots at all.
Wow, what a worthless and completely arrogant answer.
If you are playing a lot of bots that means your MMR is low which means you have been losing a lot and basically playing the worst players online at that moment. Get better and you won't see any bots at all.
In theory, yes. But in practice, being forced to play against bots in order to up your MMR is fucking annoying. The easy gold is nice but I play casual in order to play my wacky homebrew decks that probably don't beat these "I always have an on curve play" basic deck bots. I do get sick of playing Odd Warrior for the free wins and like to play something else. Having to pick a specific deck in order to counter the meta is something I only want to have to do on ladder.
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It is surprising to me how many people have not played against a bot. I remember back when bots were everywhere, and not just at the bottom of the ladder. Back in the secret paladin days there were bots getting legend. The daily gold cap almost wiped them out, but I still see one every few hundred games.
I have had to play my fair share of gold farmers. Its definitely not fun playing vs gold farmers. Not to mention that it is annoying and sometimes I have a hard time defeating them. They are not always a easy win as some seem to think they are. The hits keep coming from them and for the most part don't stop. I have found that its even harder to win vs them when I pick a deck that cannot keep up with them. If I am going to lose I would much rather lose to a real person that plays a non basic deck.
If you are playing a lot of bots that means your MMR is low which means you have been losing a lot and basically playing the worst players online at that moment. Get better and you won't see any bots at all.
In theory, yes. But in practice, being forced to play against bots in order to up your MMR is fucking annoying. The easy gold is nice but I play casual in order to play my wacky homebrew decks that probably don't beat these "I always have an on curve play" basic deck bots. I do get sick of playing Odd Warrior for the free wins and like to play something else. Having to pick a specific deck in order to counter the meta is something I only want to have to do on ladder.
So your MMR has finally dropped to the robot's level eh.
I guess it makes sense seing all these salty posts of yours.
gotta give the bot creators credit, though. they're programmed pretty well, actually. they're kinda still a little too obvious with instant responses and jumping cards in their hand without accidentally lighting up the hero character. other than that, well done
Maybe the bots have been created by Blizzard themselves to beef up the play in lower ranks. Since no player can fall below rank 20 once they achieve rank 15, the ranks below 20 can theoretically become like The Barrens at some point in time. To allow new players to rank up, Blizz could've created bots to populate the lower echelons at a later point. Right now though, the bots are in the higher ranks to get trained by players.
If you are playing a lot of bots that means your MMR is low which means you have been losing a lot and basically playing the worst players online at that moment. Get better and you won't see any bots at all.
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Can't agree with that, I've been playing and got a Streak of 5 consecutive victories and I played against a bot player with the descriptions mentioned, warrior player, numbers in the name, and that stuff, he went off at turn 3 and you can't say that my MMR is low at Rank 12 with a Streak
If you are playing a lot of bots that means your MMR is low which means you have been losing a lot and basically playing the worst players online at that moment. Get better and you won't see any bots at all.
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Can't agree with that, I've been playing and got a Streak of 5 consecutive victories and I played against a bot player with the descriptions mentioned, warrior player, numbers in the name, and that stuff, he went off at turn 3 and you can't say that my MMR is low at Rank 12 with a Streak
Interesting to know, so it seems it's not only on the lowest ranks / Casual... and probably not only low MMR as you said.
Personally I also noticed lots of bots recently. But that was when I was doing my dailies at 25-24 rank Wild, and Wild Casual. I bring specific decks myself (not competitive ones) - to complete Quests ASAP. So I didn't care about winning there - Quests like "Play 30 Paladin cards" for example. So it's low Wild ranks and low MMR in Casual.
I can confirm - bots have capital letters + numbers in their names. They play only Basic + Classic cards. They don't Emote you. Most of the times they don't concede, so you can stall them all you want. But I noticed - when they are on low HP and you have big board (lethal next turn) - they actually CAN concede.
For example - I was playing against Shaman bot. He didn't play much minions. He Hero-Power'ed in many turns (turn 5 - Hero Power + end turn...). I had board control, didn't attack his Hero... and stalled him. Completed my Quest to play 20 (or 30?) Class cards. EASY :)
Some people find it unacceptable, but personally - it didn't bothers me that much. If I meet them - I can complete Daily Quests even faster. If bots are on low Ranks - I can regain Ranks faster (I push Rankeds once every 2-3 months or so). And it might be true, that there's much less of them on higher Ranks.
I can't be 100% sure, but I think it might be just Blizzard bots. They put Bots in queues, when there's not that many people playing. Like right now - 1,5 month before new expansion - theres much less people playing. Bots decrease waiting times in queues. The more time that people wait in queue - the more chances that they will just exit the game for that moment. And Blizzard doesn't want people to exit just because they have to wait. Bots are an EASY fix for that problem, it doesn't cost Blizzard anything, they have AI in the game in Practice and all PvE modes.
Theres significantly less people playing Wild mode, so I think that is why we can encounter Bots there more often as well. Look at Hsreplay.net, scroll down to the bottom of the page and look at Live Data "Cards played by game mode over the last 5 minutes". You can see the numbers. When I am looking it at the moment - it's like Wild mode has roughly 10 times less cards played than Standard mode. And Standard mode dropped like 50-65% comparing to "2 weeks after Rastakhan's release". I look at those numbers from time to time, and do screenshots. Just out of personal curiosity. Those numbers don't represent whole community of course, but still - you can notice the "player number - cards played" trend :)
If you are playing a lot of bots that means your MMR is low which means you have been losing a lot and basically playing the worst players online at that moment. Get better and you won't see any bots at all.
Wow, what a worthless and completely arrogant answer.
People that don’t understand why people complain about bots need to understand it’s not about “a free win and move on” its for these following reasons.
2. Bots often play they same basic decks it’s not fun to face the exact same deck/experience over and over.
And how's that any different from Ranked experience?
3. It’s bad for the new player experience that don’t have particular high ranks because they are more likely to have game against bots and this is more likely to make them feel like the ladder isn’t worth bothering with if it’s just full of bots.
Still more enjoyable than getting constantly curbstomped by "Look at me, I'm playing Tier 1 deck on Rank 20!" bumholes.
5. Blizzard make less money, this follows on from number 4. If people just buy bottled accounts they aren’t buying packs. Less packs being brought equals less profit for blizzard which equals less insensitive to put money into developing they game.
"Less insentive to put money into developing game"... excuse my laughter.
If anything, HS suffers from the LACK of development & updates which in turn causes stale gameplay experience: - It takes WAY too long to nerf problematic cards. Small-Time Buccaneer took nearly half a year to nerf even though it was obviously unbalanced on Day One. Looking further back, same goes for pre-nerf Undertaker - Sometimes the nerfs just hit completely wrong targets. Tunnel Trogg + Doomhammer aggro is getting out of hand? Let's nerf Rockbiter Weapon! Even Shammy too good on wild because Baku + Genn are badly designed? Better nerf Flametongue Totem! Jade Druid is getting outta hand, better nerf Hex! - And finally, look at all the cards we've gotten from past expansions. How many of them actually see play on Constructed? I'm guessing roughly 10%. I'm not saying it's realistic to expect 50/50 split on playable cards, but the power levels between cards are so transparent it's not even funny.
They got more than enough money to step up their game, but they just can't be arsed long as packs are selling well enough.
1. It’s not actually that fun to play a game against an AI when you are expecting to join ranked or casual to play real people.
Aside from an odd name, how do you tell the difference between the bot and a bad player?
2. Bots often play they same basic decks it’s not fun to face the exact same deck/experience over and over.
Hearthstone is littered with players playing exactly the same netdecks (at pretty much every rank). How is this any different? New players (at low ranks) have the same small collection as bots, so will also play the same sort of decks. How is this any different?
3. It’s bad for the new player experience that don’t have particular high ranks because they are more likely to have game against bots and this is more likely to make them feel like the ladder isn’t worth bothering with if it’s just full of bots.
It's bad for new players that their first few games in Hearthstone turn out to be really easy and they dont get destroyed by people playing Tier 1 decks at rank 20? New players would love to play against bots for the first few ranks.
4. Bots and selling the accounts are a form of cheating. Most people work hard for their account either grinding or paying for packs. But if someone just buys an account full of gold and packs for a lot less than other legitimate players this makes others feel cheated.
Bots are a form of cheating in regards to the ToS, yes. That is correct. People work hard for their accounts by,,,, "paying for packs"...? How is that different to people "work hard for their accounts by paying for their accounts"? What about all the F2P players who feel bent out of shape by players who spends loads of money on a collection by buying loads of packs? Are you claiming thats the same thing then? What advantage (other than monetary) does buying an account with a full collection give to a player over someone who has an account and buys loads of packs to get a full collection?
5. Blizzard make less money, this follows on from number 4. If people just buy bottled accounts they aren’t buying packs. Less packs being brought equals less profit for blizzard which equals less insensitive to put money into developing they game.
Yes, Blizzard makes less money. That is correct. Nobody (being intellectually honest) really cares about a corporation making less money though. These sorts of "reasons" are often generated by jealousy rather than concern for the actual corporation.
Botting is far from harmless as some people might think. It’s why Blizzard need better in game reporting tools for both botting and abuse
Please can you elaborate (aside from the "Blizzard loses money" mentioned above) the ways botting in Hearthstone (specifically) is far from harmless? Botting in other games is particularly harmful as it can have a verifiably detrimental effect on other players' game play and ability to progress within the game itself (such as stealing resources from other players before they can harvest them etc).
tried a ranked wild (rank 18 as I did not played wild for a while) and I encountered a bot. Three random letters and three random numbers in the game, plays only basic/classic cards, do not concede even when I could kill him in next turn (I did not, as I needed to finish a Kill XX minions quest).
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Wow, what a worthless and completely arrogant answer.
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How is it worthless ? He is absolutely right.
In theory, yes. But in practice, being forced to play against bots in order to up your MMR is fucking annoying. The easy gold is nice but I play casual in order to play my wacky homebrew decks that probably don't beat these "I always have an on curve play" basic deck bots. I do get sick of playing Odd Warrior for the free wins and like to play something else. Having to pick a specific deck in order to counter the meta is something I only want to have to do on ladder.
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It is surprising to me how many people have not played against a bot. I remember back when bots were everywhere, and not just at the bottom of the ladder. Back in the secret paladin days there were bots getting legend. The daily gold cap almost wiped them out, but I still see one every few hundred games.
Never played against bot (since beta). Played mostly wild. Do you guys encounter this bots on ranked or casual mod? I'm just curious.
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I have had to play my fair share of gold farmers. Its definitely not fun playing vs gold farmers. Not to mention that it is annoying and sometimes I have a hard time defeating them. They are not always a easy win as some seem to think they are. The hits keep coming from them and for the most part don't stop. I have found that its even harder to win vs them when I pick a deck that cannot keep up with them. If I am going to lose I would much rather lose to a real person that plays a non basic deck.
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yup i faced like 10 or so already and they all have only basic cards and all have only caps letters and numbers in a random order
well, at least some free wins :)
So your MMR has finally dropped to the robot's level eh.
I guess it makes sense seing all these salty posts of yours.
gotta give the bot creators credit, though. they're programmed pretty well, actually. they're kinda still a little too obvious with instant responses and jumping cards in their hand without accidentally lighting up the hero character. other than that, well done
Puts on tin foil hat.
Maybe the bots have been created by Blizzard themselves to beef up the play in lower ranks. Since no player can fall below rank 20 once they achieve rank 15, the ranks below 20 can theoretically become like The Barrens at some point in time. To allow new players to rank up, Blizz could've created bots to populate the lower echelons at a later point. Right now though, the bots are in the higher ranks to get trained by players.
Takes off tin foil hat.
Can't agree with that, I've been playing and got a Streak of 5 consecutive victories and I played against a bot player with the descriptions mentioned, warrior player, numbers in the name, and that stuff, he went off at turn 3 and you can't say that my MMR is low at Rank 12 with a Streak
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Interesting to know, so it seems it's not only on the lowest ranks / Casual... and probably not only low MMR as you said.
Personally I also noticed lots of bots recently. But that was when I was doing my dailies at 25-24 rank Wild, and Wild Casual. I bring specific decks myself (not competitive ones) - to complete Quests ASAP. So I didn't care about winning there - Quests like "Play 30 Paladin cards" for example. So it's low Wild ranks and low MMR in Casual.
I can confirm - bots have capital letters + numbers in their names. They play only Basic + Classic cards. They don't Emote you. Most of the times they don't concede, so you can stall them all you want. But I noticed - when they are on low HP and you have big board (lethal next turn) - they actually CAN concede.
For example - I was playing against Shaman bot. He didn't play much minions. He Hero-Power'ed in many turns (turn 5 - Hero Power + end turn...). I had board control, didn't attack his Hero... and stalled him. Completed my Quest to play 20 (or 30?) Class cards. EASY :)
Some people find it unacceptable, but personally - it didn't bothers me that much. If I meet them - I can complete Daily Quests even faster. If bots are on low Ranks - I can regain Ranks faster (I push Rankeds once every 2-3 months or so). And it might be true, that there's much less of them on higher Ranks.
I can't be 100% sure, but I think it might be just Blizzard bots. They put Bots in queues, when there's not that many people playing. Like right now - 1,5 month before new expansion - theres much less people playing. Bots decrease waiting times in queues. The more time that people wait in queue - the more chances that they will just exit the game for that moment. And Blizzard doesn't want people to exit just because they have to wait. Bots are an EASY fix for that problem, it doesn't cost Blizzard anything, they have AI in the game in Practice and all PvE modes.
Theres significantly less people playing Wild mode, so I think that is why we can encounter Bots there more often as well. Look at Hsreplay.net, scroll down to the bottom of the page and look at Live Data "Cards played by game mode over the last 5 minutes". You can see the numbers. When I am looking it at the moment - it's like Wild mode has roughly 10 times less cards played than Standard mode. And Standard mode dropped like 50-65% comparing to "2 weeks after Rastakhan's release". I look at those numbers from time to time, and do screenshots. Just out of personal curiosity. Those numbers don't represent whole community of course, but still - you can notice the "player number - cards played" trend :)
It's not coincidence,and no matter with mmr,buz these bots online number more than real players,
And if you dont have boardclear before turn 5 then you'll lost
They can also usually topdeck Answer,boardclear(even only those basic cards) Lethal
Both ranked and casual, in wild.
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And how's that any different from Ranked experience?
Still more enjoyable than getting constantly curbstomped by "Look at me, I'm playing Tier 1 deck on Rank 20!" bumholes.
"Less insentive to put money into developing game"... excuse my laughter.
If anything, HS suffers from the LACK of development & updates which in turn causes stale gameplay experience:
- It takes WAY too long to nerf problematic cards. Small-Time Buccaneer took nearly half a year to nerf even though it was obviously unbalanced on Day One. Looking further back, same goes for pre-nerf Undertaker
- Sometimes the nerfs just hit completely wrong targets. Tunnel Trogg + Doomhammer aggro is getting out of hand? Let's nerf Rockbiter Weapon! Even Shammy too good on wild because Baku + Genn are badly designed? Better nerf Flametongue Totem! Jade Druid is getting outta hand, better nerf Hex!
- And finally, look at all the cards we've gotten from past expansions. How many of them actually see play on Constructed? I'm guessing roughly 10%.
I'm not saying it's realistic to expect 50/50 split on playable cards, but the power levels between cards are so transparent it's not even funny.
They got more than enough money to step up their game, but they just can't be arsed long as packs are selling well enough.
Aside from an odd name, how do you tell the difference between the bot and a bad player?
Hearthstone is littered with players playing exactly the same netdecks (at pretty much every rank). How is this any different?
New players (at low ranks) have the same small collection as bots, so will also play the same sort of decks. How is this any different?
It's bad for new players that their first few games in Hearthstone turn out to be really easy and they dont get destroyed by people playing Tier 1 decks at rank 20? New players would love to play against bots for the first few ranks.
Bots are a form of cheating in regards to the ToS, yes. That is correct.
People work hard for their accounts by,,,, "paying for packs"...? How is that different to people "work hard for their accounts by paying for their accounts"?
What about all the F2P players who feel bent out of shape by players who spends loads of money on a collection by buying loads of packs? Are you claiming thats the same thing then?
What advantage (other than monetary) does buying an account with a full collection give to a player over someone who has an account and buys loads of packs to get a full collection?
Yes, Blizzard makes less money. That is correct. Nobody (being intellectually honest) really cares about a corporation making less money though. These sorts of "reasons" are often generated by jealousy rather than concern for the actual corporation.
Please can you elaborate (aside from the "Blizzard loses money" mentioned above) the ways botting in Hearthstone (specifically) is far from harmless?
Botting in other games is particularly harmful as it can have a verifiably detrimental effect on other players' game play and ability to progress within the game itself (such as stealing resources from other players before they can harvest them etc).
tried a ranked wild (rank 18 as I did not played wild for a while) and I encountered a bot. Three random letters and three random numbers in the game, plays only basic/classic cards, do not concede even when I could kill him in next turn (I did not, as I needed to finish a Kill XX minions quest).
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