I get where you're coming from, but the card doesn't say "gives you a random viable deck in the current meta". It just gives you one of a sample of pre-determined decks. Just because parts of them have been nerfed doesn't mean the card should be changed. It was never meant to be a competitive card that keeps up with the meta and nerfs. What you saw at launch is what you get, that's it.
Yes, it is, but nothing in the whizbang card implied that it would keep up with the buffs/nerfs. If it is worse because of them, that's just how it goes. It was a card that gave you some viable decks in the metagame that existed when it was released. That is still true. The fact that it is worse now isn't a problem, it's just like any other card that becomes bad because of balance changes.
I get where you're coming from, but the card doesn't say "gives you a random viable deck in the current meta". It just gives you one of a sample of pre-determined decks. Just because parts of them have been nerfed doesn't mean the card should be changed. It was never meant to be a competitive card that keeps up with the meta and nerfs. What you saw at launch is what you get, that's it.
You're so wrong on so many different levels.
The card is upgraded after every expansion's release, but why should Whizbang be updated by just those major events? Sometimes a nerf can change the meta more than an entire expansion (Boomsday is a good example of what I'm talking about).
Secondly, Whizbang isn't meant to be a competitive card it doesn't mean that it should be treated like a dumpster. I personally reached rank 10 with him and I can assure you that the quality of those recipes is high enough to guarantee a new player to fully experience the whole game in a not-so-friendly environment. So why crippling that experience on purpose?
Finally, Saronite has a huge role in that deck as an early game defensive tool and as a late game wall. Its nerf affects the cards which the deck is built around, Surrender to Madness, so yeah, no way it shouldn't be changed.
I get where you're coming from, but the card doesn't say "gives you a random viable deck in the current meta". It just gives you one of a sample of pre-determined decks. Just because parts of them have been nerfed doesn't mean the card should be changed. It was never meant to be a competitive card that keeps up with the meta and nerfs. What you saw at launch is what you get, that's it.
You're so wrong on so many different levels.
The card is upgraded after every expansion's release, but why should Whizbang be updated by just those major events? Sometimes a nerf can change the meta more than an entire expansion (Boomsday is a good example of what I'm talking about).
Secondly, Whizbang isn't meant to be a competitive card it doesn't mean that it should be treated like a dumpster. I personally reached rank 10 with him and I can assure you that the quality of those recipes is high enough to guarantee a new player to fully experience the whole game in a not-so-friendly environment. So why crippling that experience on purpose?
Finally, Saronite has a huge role in that deck as an early game defensive tool and as a late game wall. Its nerf affects the cards which the deck is built around, Surrender to Madness, so yeah, no way it shouldn't be changed.
My English was not enough to explain them ^^ Thats exactly what i tought.
No offense intended, but neither of your english skills are enough to counter my point. The card is not meant to be "in every meta, you get a viable but not optimized deck". That's not what it is nor what it was intended to be. Should there a be a card that does what you guys wish it did? Maybe, but whizbang isn't it unless it gets redesigned.
No offense intended, but neither of your english skills are enough to counter my point. The card is not meant to be "in every meta, you get a viable but not optimized deck". That's not what it is nor what it was intended to be. Should there a be a card that does what you guys wish it did? Maybe, but whizbang isn't it unless it gets redesigned.
The card is still good even after the saronite nerf. You aren't making a viable argument. Getting a 4/5 and a 2/3 for 4 mana is still very good.
We are not saying that the card isn't good anymore: we are saying that it doesn't have the synergy it's supposed to have in a buff deck.
You're judging which argument is viable and which isn't based on the fact that you don't want to accept the fact that maybe you're wrong and, unless the ghost of Ben Brode doesn't show up to tell you that this is actually an inconsistency, you'll keep refusing any other point of view different from yours
show me the part of the whizbang card that says it is supposed to compensate for nerfs/buffs of cards in its decks and remain as good as it was at launch. I'll wait.
show me the part of the whizbang card that says it is supposed to compensate for nerfs/buffs of cards in its decks and remain as good as it was at launch. I'll wait.
Yeah, it's your 6 that Blizzard doesn't "need" to fix the decks as a result of this unintended Nerf (they didn't refund you for Mechgineer Thermaplugg after Leper Gnome got nerfed), but it is really sloppy and unprofessional of Blizzard to not update a deck recipe when it gets gutted
Yeah, it's your 6 that Blizzard doesn't "need" to fix the decks as a result of this unintended Nerf (they didn't refund you for Mechgineer Thermaplugg after Leper Gnome got nerfed), but it is really sloppy and unprofessional of Blizzard to not update a deck recipe when it gets gutted
It's not a deck recipe, it's a card with a set of deck recipes included in it. They were set from the beginning and there was no promise that they would ever change. You are projecting what you want whizbang to be, but it's not what he is. He is a card that gives you the exact decks he promised from his launch, nothing more, nothing less. His text does not read "you get some decks that are optimized to the current meta taking all of the latest balance changes in to acccount". Come back to reality, the card functions as it is supposed to. The fact that some of its decks are just plain bad means the card is just plain bad.
show me the part of the whizbang card that says it is supposed to compensate for nerfs/buffs of cards in its decks and remain as good as it was at launch. I'll wait.
The fact that the card doesn't say it doesn't mean that they shouldn't. Damn you're so stubborn to comprehend something so basic.
We are not saying Blizzard MUST do such changes: we are saying they SHOULD for those reasons I told you three fricking posts ago
Yeah, it's your 6 that Blizzard doesn't "need" to fix the decks as a result of this unintended Nerf (they didn't refund you for Mechgineer Thermaplugg after Leper Gnome got nerfed), but it is really sloppy and unprofessional of Blizzard to not update a deck recipe when it gets gutted
Like Leeching Poison and Kingsbane, even though Kingsbane is still good in some specific aggro decks. It can be frustrating if you craft some cards for the sole purpose of using them with the nerfed card.
Why should they? Are you owed one card that gives you a sampling of most of the current meta decks? No. You aren't. It was a fun card, it was strong when its recipes were viable, but now it's not.
It's like any other card - if it stops being viable, stop playing it.
Why should they? Are you owed one card that gives you a sampling of most of the current meta decks? No. You aren't. It was a fun card, it was strong when its recipes were viable, but now it's not.
It's like any other card - if it stops being viable, stop playing it.
Why should they? Are you owed one card that gives you a sampling of most of the current meta decks? No. You aren't. It was a fun card, it was strong when its recipes were viable, but now it's not.
It's like any other card - if it stops being viable, stop playing it.
I see that you simply don't want to understand the point of view we are trying to explain you. You repeatedly keep missing the point: is the Buff Priest recipe a top tier deck? No, it's not meta under any circumstances. Will an hypothetical Saronite change in the recipe make it meta defining? No. Will it make it less worse? Sure thing.
Given the fact that most of those who have the card are people who are new to the game or players who just want to have fun with non-optimal decks, something like this could be bigger than it seems. I'm not saying that they should undo Saronite's nerf, but that they should replace it with another card (Belligerent Gnome maybe? Or something on this line).
Got it now? No? Well, keep going for your road: fortunately you are not a game developer, otherwise the game would feel a lot more strict and non-friendly than it is now
Edit: Whizbang the Wonderful is LITERALLY the only card that should always be viable, because it's his sole purpose
I think Blizzard should change the deck recipes after nerfs..
I get where you're coming from, but the card doesn't say "gives you a random viable deck in the current meta". It just gives you one of a sample of pre-determined decks. Just because parts of them have been nerfed doesn't mean the card should be changed. It was never meant to be a competitive card that keeps up with the meta and nerfs. What you saw at launch is what you get, that's it.
The whole deck created as "handbuff" and saronite is weird now. It is not normal..
Yes, it is, but nothing in the whizbang card implied that it would keep up with the buffs/nerfs. If it is worse because of them, that's just how it goes. It was a card that gave you some viable decks in the metagame that existed when it was released. That is still true. The fact that it is worse now isn't a problem, it's just like any other card that becomes bad because of balance changes.
You're so wrong on so many different levels.
The card is upgraded after every expansion's release, but why should Whizbang be updated by just those major events? Sometimes a nerf can change the meta more than an entire expansion (Boomsday is a good example of what I'm talking about).
Secondly, Whizbang isn't meant to be a competitive card it doesn't mean that it should be treated like a dumpster. I personally reached rank 10 with him and I can assure you that the quality of those recipes is high enough to guarantee a new player to fully experience the whole game in a not-so-friendly environment. So why crippling that experience on purpose?
Finally, Saronite has a huge role in that deck as an early game defensive tool and as a late game wall. Its nerf affects the cards which the deck is built around, Surrender to Madness, so yeah, no way it shouldn't be changed.
My English was not enough to explain them ^^ Thats exactly what i tought.
No offense intended, but neither of your english skills are enough to counter my point. The card is not meant to be "in every meta, you get a viable but not optimized deck". That's not what it is nor what it was intended to be. Should there a be a card that does what you guys wish it did? Maybe, but whizbang isn't it unless it gets redesigned.
It is not relevant with meta, it just doesn't fit to deck and it has to.. There are many cards like Soul Infusion
The card is still good even after the saronite nerf. You aren't making a viable argument. Getting a 4/5 and a 2/3 for 4 mana is still very good.
We are not saying that the card isn't good anymore: we are saying that it doesn't have the synergy it's supposed to have in a buff deck.
You're judging which argument is viable and which isn't based on the fact that you don't want to accept the fact that maybe you're wrong and, unless the ghost of Ben Brode doesn't show up to tell you that this is actually an inconsistency, you'll keep refusing any other point of view different from yours
spent 2 cards for +3/+3 so its not "very" good
show me the part of the whizbang card that says it is supposed to compensate for nerfs/buffs of cards in its decks and remain as good as it was at launch. I'll wait.
that was childish..
Yeah, it's your 6 that Blizzard doesn't "need" to fix the decks as a result of this unintended Nerf (they didn't refund you for Mechgineer Thermaplugg after Leper Gnome got nerfed), but it is really sloppy and unprofessional of Blizzard to not update a deck recipe when it gets gutted
It's not a deck recipe, it's a card with a set of deck recipes included in it. They were set from the beginning and there was no promise that they would ever change. You are projecting what you want whizbang to be, but it's not what he is. He is a card that gives you the exact decks he promised from his launch, nothing more, nothing less. His text does not read "you get some decks that are optimized to the current meta taking all of the latest balance changes in to acccount". Come back to reality, the card functions as it is supposed to. The fact that some of its decks are just plain bad means the card is just plain bad.
The fact that the card doesn't say it doesn't mean that they shouldn't. Damn you're so stubborn to comprehend something so basic.
We are not saying Blizzard MUST do such changes: we are saying they SHOULD for those reasons I told you three fricking posts ago
Like Leeching Poison and Kingsbane, even though Kingsbane is still good in some specific aggro decks. It can be frustrating if you craft some cards for the sole purpose of using them with the nerfed card.
Why should they? Are you owed one card that gives you a sampling of most of the current meta decks? No. You aren't. It was a fun card, it was strong when its recipes were viable, but now it's not.
It's like any other card - if it stops being viable, stop playing it.
These post gave me so much cringe, I'm out..
I see that you simply don't want to understand the point of view we are trying to explain you. You repeatedly keep missing the point: is the Buff Priest recipe a top tier deck? No, it's not meta under any circumstances. Will an hypothetical Saronite change in the recipe make it meta defining? No. Will it make it less worse? Sure thing.
Given the fact that most of those who have the card are people who are new to the game or players who just want to have fun with non-optimal decks, something like this could be bigger than it seems. I'm not saying that they should undo Saronite's nerf, but that they should replace it with another card (Belligerent Gnome maybe? Or something on this line).
Got it now? No? Well, keep going for your road: fortunately you are not a game developer, otherwise the game would feel a lot more strict and non-friendly than it is now
Edit: Whizbang the Wonderful is LITERALLY the only card that should always be viable, because it's his sole purpose