What classes do you think will lose the most from rotation? My bet is on warlock. Its losing a ton of stuff. Bloodreaver Guldan, Defile, Despicable Dreadlord, Defile, Dark Pact, Kobold Librarian, Hooked Reaver, Amethyst Spellstone, Rin, Skull of the Manari, Voidlord, Vulgar Homunculus, Gnomeferatu, Bloodbloom, and Lakkari Sacrifice (only way i see discard lock working at all). What class / classes do you think will suffer the most and why? I get that it's hard to make meta predictions before seeing the cards from the new expansion but I'm strictly talking about what class / classes will lose the most viable cards overall from the rotation in April.
My first thought was also warlock. I'd say mage will also suffer a lot. Tempo Mage is mostly dead and with the rotation mage loses Jaina, which means the core of every other slow mage deck is removed (control mage, BSM, elemental mage). Without seeing new cards post rotation the class simply falls apart without Jaina.
I think you also need to consider the cards classic will still have and not just what they lose. For that reason, I would argue that druid can do very little with its remaining cards after rotation. Warlock is losing a lot but will still have even warlock. Even weakened, 1 mana card draw and giants is pretty strong. Hunter will also lose a lot but has a pretty strong base set. I also really wonder what priest might do after rotation. It really depends a lot on next expansion.
Warlock seem like they're going to be the worst to me. Priest, Druid, Mage are losing a lot but there is still stuff there. Shaman is meh as hell right now but might get better just by virtue of everything else getting worse.
Warlock is losing the backbone of every archetype they play. Lack of healing from spellstones and late game stabilization from Gul'dan will hurt Evenlock and control lock a lot. Lack of spellstone and hooked reaver seems terrible for evenlock. I could see zoo being good.
I think classes like Paladin, Hunter, and Rogue will still be great. Odd pally and Holy wrath pally will still exist basically the same. Odd and tempo/myracle Rogue should be good. I'm sure with great cards like Zul'jin, Master's Call, Subject 9, Shaw, etc, hunter will have a strong midrangey deck or two. Hunter is losing a ton of the cards that make it the strongest class right now like Rexxar and Spellstones but it still has a lot of great stuff left.
Priest will lose its only viable decks (Clone is much worse without Radiant Elemental, but maybe still viable) and Druid will be absolutely nowhere without DK Malfurion, SP, Hadronox, UI and Twig, so I’d say those two have the most to lose.
But that only deals with absolute power level. What really drives the meta is relative power level and it’s really hard to evaluate without knowing what cards we’ll be getting in the next expansion. So even though I’d say those two classes lose the most important core cards, we don’t know what the net effect of rotation will be yet.
I fear more for control/OTK players, as it really seems they're losing more than aggro.
Control mage and warlock are losing spells and healing, not to mention strong demons on the latter. Even discolock, which got a surprise push in Rastakhan, loses too much.
Priest will have inner fire/topsy turvy and stealing mischief, but that's it and it's not good enough.
Shaman lose a great board clear and elemental synergy.
Paladin loses one of its OTK archetypes (DK).
Warrior loses quest, but looks to be as close as it gets to a current control deck surviving.
It's impossible to judge. So many cards are leaving, but there will also be 135 new cards. Those cards will end up making up part of every single deck. How cancanyone guess the meta now?
I will say this, Mage and Druid are in the worst shape for the upcoming meta, because they each had one of their elite core cards nerfed (wild growth and Mana wyrm). Both were probably the best one and two Mana cost cards, respectively. In addition, mage has lost more cards from it's core to the HoF than anyone else, and druid had nourish badly nerfed as well. Because of these changes, mage and druid will need consistently stronger cards printed every rotation just to stay as competitive as before.
Coonversely, rotation is basically always good for Rogue. Rogue has ridiculously powerful core cards, so the fewer options all around the better. Vilespine Slayer is one of the most overpowered cards ever printed, and I don't think we will see anything that silly again. But still even without vilespine, rogue will benefit from fewer options all around.
Meh. I'm just looking forward to what will hopefully be a fresh start. I've always been optimistic when it comes to Hearthstone. During the Pirate Warrior/ShamanStone/Druid Stone and even UnderHunter days I stuck with what I enjoyed and managed to have some fun whilst doing it.
But even I'm getting pretty sick of Hunters, OTK Priest/Warlock and Odd Paladin/Rogue.
I really hope that the Rotation will just Nuke this Meta from Orbit and we can all start again.
Although I'm pretty sure that after the first week or so of the Rotation and the new Set being released some Streamers will come up with gross Net decks and everyone will jump on the bandwagons.
Druid and Mage are both losing pretty much the only things keeping them competitive right now and druid just got hit really really hard by nerfs. Mage has been in a fairly sorry state for the last 2 expansions so I'm not thrilled with what we're gonna lose.
Really looking forward to an end of the cancer that is Priest right now. it seems like every opponent at rank 2 is playing it. I just lost 7 stars straight due to this shitty piece of crap deck.
Looks like it's back to playing Recruit Hunter as that seems to be the only thing that can beat this brainless tryhard deck....
I think, as most said before me, Warlock till take the biggest blow. Zoo can survive in a non-Heal version and EvenLock can be played with a more aggressive intent, but further than that we'll have to wait and see what they'll give us.
Shaman and Druid will also lose lots of stuff. Those two classes don't see much play right know, but still they'll take a considerable hit.
Anyways, I want to make a consideration: I don't think that those classes who will lose a lot will have to rely only on the future cards. Lowering the power level of the meta means that cards that until now were crappy and archetypes that didn't work out very well (Treant Druid, BuffLock) will rise. And I would be very fine with that. We may already have the tools, it's just that we can't use them now
(Btw Paladin losing Righteous Protector will also be extremely huge since its the best 1 drop after turn 1 , big loss for every otk )
It's ok - I thought it was too, lol. (And in fairness, it still is) But I'm guessing that the huge swathe of hunter decks has led to everyone suddenly following the priest sheep mentality and playing priest to counter it. I'm just struggling to find a reasonably consistent deck that beats Priest but doesn't fail hard against most other decks.
I would think regular control warrior with the taunt guy that spawns 3 raptors for your enemy, could do reasonably well against many decks, including priest. Quest warrior doesnt have to be odd either.
Rez priest would get pretty annoyed id bet, if you treachery'ed a doomsayer or a howlfiend over on his side too.
I would think regular control warrior with the taunt guy that spawns 3 raptors for your enemy, could do reasonably well against many decks, including priest. Quest warrior doesnt have to be odd either.
Rez priest would get pretty annoyed id bet, if you treachery'ed a doomsayer or a howlfiend over on his side too.
That's true. I may give Quest Warrior another chance perhaps.
What classes do you think will lose the most from rotation? My bet is on warlock. Its losing a ton of stuff. Bloodreaver Guldan, Defile, Despicable Dreadlord, Defile, Dark Pact, Kobold Librarian, Hooked Reaver, Amethyst Spellstone, Rin, Skull of the Manari, Voidlord, Vulgar Homunculus, Gnomeferatu, Bloodbloom, and Lakkari Sacrifice (only way i see discard lock working at all). What class / classes do you think will suffer the most and why? I get that it's hard to make meta predictions before seeing the cards from the new expansion but I'm strictly talking about what class / classes will lose the most viable cards overall from the rotation in April.
My first thought was also warlock. I'd say mage will also suffer a lot. Tempo Mage is mostly dead and with the rotation mage loses Jaina, which means the core of every other slow mage deck is removed (control mage, BSM, elemental mage). Without seeing new cards post rotation the class simply falls apart without Jaina.
I think you also need to consider the cards classic will still have and not just what they lose. For that reason, I would argue that druid can do very little with its remaining cards after rotation. Warlock is losing a lot but will still have even warlock. Even weakened, 1 mana card draw and giants is pretty strong. Hunter will also lose a lot but has a pretty strong base set. I also really wonder what priest might do after rotation. It really depends a lot on next expansion.
Warlock seem like they're going to be the worst to me. Priest, Druid, Mage are losing a lot but there is still stuff there. Shaman is meh as hell right now but might get better just by virtue of everything else getting worse.
Warlock is losing the backbone of every archetype they play. Lack of healing from spellstones and late game stabilization from Gul'dan will hurt Evenlock and control lock a lot. Lack of spellstone and hooked reaver seems terrible for evenlock. I could see zoo being good.
I think classes like Paladin, Hunter, and Rogue will still be great. Odd pally and Holy wrath pally will still exist basically the same. Odd and tempo/myracle Rogue should be good. I'm sure with great cards like Zul'jin, Master's Call, Subject 9, Shaw, etc, hunter will have a strong midrangey deck or two. Hunter is losing a ton of the cards that make it the strongest class right now like Rexxar and Spellstones but it still has a lot of great stuff left.
Priest will lose its only viable decks (Clone is much worse without Radiant Elemental, but maybe still viable) and Druid will be absolutely nowhere without DK Malfurion, SP, Hadronox, UI and Twig, so I’d say those two have the most to lose.
But that only deals with absolute power level. What really drives the meta is relative power level and it’s really hard to evaluate without knowing what cards we’ll be getting in the next expansion. So even though I’d say those two classes lose the most important core cards, we don’t know what the net effect of rotation will be yet.
I fear more for control/OTK players, as it really seems they're losing more than aggro.
Control mage and warlock are losing spells and healing, not to mention strong demons on the latter. Even discolock, which got a surprise push in Rastakhan, loses too much.
Priest will have inner fire/topsy turvy and stealing mischief, but that's it and it's not good enough.
Shaman lose a great board clear and elemental synergy.
Paladin loses one of its OTK archetypes (DK).
Warrior loses quest, but looks to be as close as it gets to a current control deck surviving.
It's impossible to judge. So many cards are leaving, but there will also be 135 new cards. Those cards will end up making up part of every single deck. How cancanyone guess the meta now?
I will say this, Mage and Druid are in the worst shape for the upcoming meta, because they each had one of their elite core cards nerfed (wild growth and Mana wyrm). Both were probably the best one and two Mana cost cards, respectively. In addition, mage has lost more cards from it's core to the HoF than anyone else, and druid had nourish badly nerfed as well. Because of these changes, mage and druid will need consistently stronger cards printed every rotation just to stay as competitive as before.
Coonversely, rotation is basically always good for Rogue. Rogue has ridiculously powerful core cards, so the fewer options all around the better. Vilespine Slayer is one of the most overpowered cards ever printed, and I don't think we will see anything that silly again. But still even without vilespine, rogue will benefit from fewer options all around.
Druid is gonna die even harder once the rotation hits. Cards like Spreading Plague, Malfurion the Pestilent, Branching Paths, Oaken Summons, Ironwood Golem, King Togwaggle, Ultimate Infestation, Hadronox, and other Year of the Mammoth cards which make up 50% or more of Druid decks are rotating out. Hopefully Blizzard will introduce new cards in the next expansion that can revive Druid.
Meh. I'm just looking forward to what will hopefully be a fresh start. I've always been optimistic when it comes to Hearthstone. During the Pirate Warrior/ShamanStone/Druid Stone and even UnderHunter days I stuck with what I enjoyed and managed to have some fun whilst doing it.
But even I'm getting pretty sick of Hunters, OTK Priest/Warlock and Odd Paladin/Rogue.
I really hope that the Rotation will just Nuke this Meta from Orbit and we can all start again.
Although I'm pretty sure that after the first week or so of the Rotation and the new Set being released some Streamers will come up with gross Net decks and everyone will jump on the bandwagons.
Shit.. ..
4/3/19 RIP Keith Flint. 😔
Druid and Mage are both losing pretty much the only things keeping them competitive right now and druid just got hit really really hard by nerfs. Mage has been in a fairly sorry state for the last 2 expansions so I'm not thrilled with what we're gonna lose.
Sadly enough, I think OTK will still be Cancerous after the rotation.
Warrior and Warlock, both will lose their best control tools.
Really looking forward to an end of the cancer that is Priest right now.
it seems like every opponent at rank 2 is playing it. I just lost 7 stars straight due to this shitty piece of crap deck.
Looks like it's back to playing Recruit Hunter as that seems to be the only thing that can beat this brainless tryhard deck....
/... yes, I'm salty, lol .../
I thought its Hunterstone! :)
sry couldnt stop myself.
(Btw Paladin losing Righteous Protector will also be extremely huge since its the best 1 drop after turn 1 , big loss for every otk )
I think, as most said before me, Warlock till take the biggest blow. Zoo can survive in a non-Heal version and EvenLock can be played with a more aggressive intent, but further than that we'll have to wait and see what they'll give us.
Shaman and Druid will also lose lots of stuff. Those two classes don't see much play right know, but still they'll take a considerable hit.
Anyways, I want to make a consideration: I don't think that those classes who will lose a lot will have to rely only on the future cards. Lowering the power level of the meta means that cards that until now were crappy and archetypes that didn't work out very well (Treant Druid, BuffLock) will rise. And I would be very fine with that. We may already have the tools, it's just that we can't use them now
It's ok - I thought it was too, lol. (And in fairness, it still is)
But I'm guessing that the huge swathe of hunter decks has led to everyone suddenly following the priest sheep mentality and playing priest to counter it.
I'm just struggling to find a reasonably consistent deck that beats Priest but doesn't fail hard against most other decks.
I would think regular control warrior with the taunt guy that spawns 3 raptors for your enemy, could do reasonably well against many decks, including priest. Quest warrior doesnt have to be odd either.
Rez priest would get pretty annoyed id bet, if you treachery'ed a doomsayer or a howlfiend over on his side too.
Man, how many threads are you going to create or how posts are you going to make about priest ? xD Go to salt thread already
That's true. I may give Quest Warrior another chance perhaps.
Considering I've made literally one thread about Priest... like, ever... I think you have your answer.
Why so triggered over a single thread? Lol