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I don't think Malygos should be hall of famed.  It's a fine card.  I don't think team 5 has anything against OTK decks, they just printed Mechathun.

 

 HOF isn't for trouble cards.  Trouble cards get nerfed.  They don't dump trouble to Wild.  Wild isn't a dumping ground of bad cards.

The concept behind HoF is that deck archetypes aren't supposed to last more than 2 years in Standard.  Afterwards, they are supposed to critically change themselves or fall away completely.  

This was the real crime behind decks like freeze mage.  The deck itself was not a problem.  If ice block was a Rumble card it would be a fine addition to the game with us experimenting with this 'freeze mage' thing.  However, after 2 years, that deck would go away from standard

Freeze mage never left.  It would be less useful in certain metas, but every expansion there was the question of "will this revive freeze mage?" And if it does, if came back with basically the same game style: stall with whatever removal it can gather, hunt cards, find the win condition.  We've been overall playing that same deck for 4 years until ice block rotated.  That is the problem.

If a card or deck is a problem, it's nerfed.  If it's NOT a problem but survives past 2 years, it's HoFed.

That's the issue with Malygos.  He spawns the same deck archetype no matter what class or what sets we have.  We've been Malygos bursting for 5 years now.  He's not a bad card.  But he's an old card.  And Standard is NOT the place for old things.  That's what Wild is for.  

So that's why people are saying Malygos is primed for the HoF.  He's served his time.  It's time we move on to other things, like Mechathun or Hakkar or..something else.

 I understand the HOF and see the point but I think it's a bit different because there are different classes that can play Malygos decks.  It's not just one group of cards like freeze mage and no single deck has been around for years.  Malygos plays much differently in its different class decks even if the end goal is generally the same.  but you could say the same for Leeroy and some other classic legendaries.  The classic set are old things that are for standard.  

Maybe i'm just biased but I find a card like Malygos a lot more interesting to have in play than Mechathun or Hakkar, and I think more cards in standard is generally going to be better.

I am at a loss of words. 

Ok I can understand you hating clone/mindblast priest, everyone hates a deck, or a class, I hate for example Odd Paladin , so I will not judge you here.

But accusing Lyra of being an oppresive card? Man, it's one of the funniest cards in the game and I will really miss it going to the wild.It's not even necessary as someone already said in otk clone priest. It's like accusing Unstable Evolution of being an oppresive card because someone highrolled a Tyrantus with it on turn 5. 

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 I understand the HOF and see the point but I think it's a bit different because there are different classes that can play Malygos decks.  It's not just one group of cards like freeze mage and no single deck has been around for years.  Malygos plays much differently in its different class decks even if the end goal is generally the same.  but you could say the same for Leeroy and some other classic legendaries.  The classic set are old things that are for standard.  

Maybe i'm just biased but I find a card like Malygos a lot more interesting to have in play than Mechathun or Hakkar, and I think more cards in standard is generally going to be better.

 There's been many classes that have played Malygos.  However, they do NOT play very much differently from one another.  It's always been a case of 1. stall with removal or taunts until you have Maly. 2. Find a way to acquire Maly+ cheap spells 3. Drop maly and nuke.  Maly is the CAUSE of the deck, and is always there looking for that combination to unleash itself.  

You can say the same for Mechathun, and you should.  But remember, the issue isn't Maly's capabilities. It's Maly's location.  A Maly put out in Rumble or Un'Goro or any expansion set would be an awesome card.  

But the fact that you wish to keep Maly around to keep playing.. that's proof of the problem.  Standard is meant to force you to give up your decks and move on to new things.  The entire concept of "I like it and I want to keep playing it" is exactly what Wild is supposed to be for.  You should NOT be playing with the same cards you did 2 years ago.

I could say the same for Leeroy.  And Ragnaros.  And Sylvanas.  And Ice Block.  And you get what I'm hinting at.  The SECOND a meta revives Leeroy as a major lynchpin like he was in 2014, he's going to be pegged for HoF as well.  In fact, I'm sure blizzard will be having a discussion about Velen and whether he's too prominent in priest.

If this feels like gutting Classic, turning it into a set of cards that are just stand ins with expansion cards being the real sources of a deck's power...that's the goal.  Trust me, it's the softer of options: there's a rather vocal community that wants the ENTIRE SET HoFed and replaced wholesale every few years.  If blizzard could pull it off without alienating F2P players and folks who leave the game and return later, they'll probably highly consider it.

But the point is, Standard is not the place if you want to fall in love with a card, a deck, an anything and keep with it.  This is for the folks that are willing to scrap it all away and start from the beginning over and over.  This is the world of Chaos and permanent change, of the destruction of tradition and letting go of old flames.  

The second that stops being appealing-once you find something you wish to keep-it's time to enter the world of Wild.