Sometimes tracking has painfull results, but you need 2 copies of it in spellhunter. Spellhunter is almost unbeatable if they can play the right cards on curve. Your chance of getting a spellstone greatly improves, you find your lethal easier and other super op cards like to my side and rhokdelar.
Spellhunter is a super strong deck, but relies heavy om 6-10 cards that are strong, the rest are filler cards to survive and secrets. Without 2x tracking youre winrate will defenetly go down a few percent.
So, this admittedly comes off the back of one of the worst outcome choices from Trackingthat I have ever had: - Rexxar - Zul'jin - Spellstone
Is this a trick question? DK obviously. Though it kinda depends on the situation. If you are facing a mid-range deck, which doesn't run an AoE, and you want to finish the game fast, then you should go for the spellstone. DK - for the slow MUs. Zul;jin - well, I never actually saw this being a good card but I guess if you played a reasonable amount of spells and you want to end the game fast, then he is the right choice.
[edit] As for your bolded question, I will just quote the following user:
Maybe surprising to a lot of people. Take a guess what is the WORST preforming card in secret hunter... Yeah, its Deathstalker Rexxar. If you look at played winrate you see spellhunter has a few powerhouses. Spellstone, Zuljin, Rhokdelar, to my side, kill command and animal companion.
These 6 cards make hunter strong. The deathstalker performs worst in mulligan wr, drawn wr and played wr! This is also why tracking is very good. We rather just have the 6 strong cards, but when we dont have them, we get an extra chance through tracking. Before you say tracking has a mediocre played wr, thats mostly because you always play tracking when youre losing, looking for an answer, but you won't play tracking if your winning and can perfectly use your mana every turn.
So, this admittedly comes off the back of one of the worst outcome choices from Trackingthat I have ever had: - Rexxar - Zul'jin - Spellstone
Is this a trick question? DK obviously.
See Frankimahri's post above. It's not obvious in the slightest. And aside from one or two specific matchup situations, Rexxar can often be the last choice to pick here.
[edit] As for your bolded question, I will just quote the following user:
i would play tracking in every class, every deck and every day.
Uhhh huh... the bolded question literally specified a hunter deck. That quote claims to want to play it in every class and every deck. I'm not sure kitox_me knows what class cards are. ^_^ Lol
Spellhunter is a super strong deck, but relies heavy om 6-10 cards that are strong, the rest are filler cards to survive and secrets. Without 2x tracking youre winrate will defenetly go down a few percent.
Anecdotally, I've not found that to be the case for me. The only games I've usually won when using Tracking re ones I was already in good shape to win. And I've never won by finding the card I've needed from it. Conversely, having removed it and replacing it with and Eaglehorn bow, I have noticed a substantial increase in wins where I would previously have struggled thanks to the bow finding me that extra damage for lethal a lot of times.
As said, this is anecdotal and your results may vary etc etc. But for now I am going to try continuing with the bow for a bit and see what happens. The only time I lost hard recently was against another hunter who got 2 secrets and 2 spellstones in his mulligan. I couldn't really keep up the damage and I dont think a Tracking would have helped much there! :-P
Spellhunter is a super strong deck, but relies heavy om 6-10 cards that are strong, the rest are filler cards to survive and secrets. Without 2x tracking youre winrate will defenetly go down a few percent.
Anecdotally, I've not found that to be the case for me. The only games I've usually won when using Tracking re ones I was already in good shape to win. And I've never won by finding the card I've needed from it. Conversely, having removed it and replacing it with and Eaglehorn bow, I have noticed a substantial increase in wins where I would previously have struggled thanks to the bow finding me that extra damage for lethal a lot of times.
As said, this is anecdotal and your results may vary etc etc. But for now I am going to try continuing with the bow for a bit and see what happens. The only time I lost hard recently was against another hunter who got 2 secrets and 2 spellstones in his mulligan. I couldn't really keep up the damage and I dont think a Tracking would have helped much there! :-P
So, youve never had tracking in your starting hand and found a spellstone? You have never played tracking on turn 7 and found a to my side? You have never played tracking to find a removal like hunters mark, kill command or flanking strike? Never the explosive trap you needed to survive against odd pally? You never realised the tracking you played early game that deleted 2 useless cards made you win in the end because you drew better cards now? Never ever needed something to play and found an animal companion? Never a turn 8 tracking into Rokdhelar?
So, youve never had tracking in your starting hand and found a spellstone?
Why would you ever keep tracking in your starting hand? You don't know what you're going to need until at least the first few turns. And if I have ever found it in my hand and needed a spell stone, then when I use it, I most often lose another important card in the process.
You have never played tracking on turn 7 and found a to my side?
Can definitely say nope to this one. Never needed it.
You have never played tracking to find a removal like hunters mark, kill command or flanking strike?
Oh for sure. I almost never find the removal I need from it, but I've certainly tried plenty of times! XD
Never the explosive trap you needed to survive against odd pally?
I normally mulliganed for the traps early on - or use Secret Plan to find the one I need. Though aggro Pally is dead now anyway. :-) (Hurrah!)
You never realised the tracking you played early game that deleted 2 useless cards made you win in the end because you drew better cards now?
No. Definitely not. I've never found myself rejoicing for having lost two cards from my hunter deck. Ever. I can feel 100% certain about this.
Never ever needed something to play and found an animal companion?
That's a bit ambiguous. Tracking certainly gives you something to play. But it may have just as easily been a more useful card and not remove two cards from your deck in the process.
Never a turn 8 tracking into Rokdhelar?
Mmmm nope - turn 8 is usually something like a Rexxar and build a beast, or finish off a player with double KC and HP, or a big swing play with Secret + Spellstone. Or often To My Side! and a secret, etc.
Now, that's not to say none of those things have everhappened - but certainly not regularly enough for me to feel the card provides a better advantage than to switch it out with something more useful.
In theory, I know tracking is good. The "cards on the bottom of the deck" thing is accurate, and folks cared too much about it with Fel Reaver, that Keening Banshee probably isn't bad except for the fact that a 4-mana 5/5 probably isn't good enough. And while a lot of hunter decks have the power to go into fatigue games against Warrior, there are games you'll play against Aggro, and it won't matter. You just need the card you need now.
But it's hard watching the things go away. Hunters feel like they have a lot of important cards that matter. It's hard to put that out of your head, and ignore the cards you just lost.
Now, in a lot of decks, there aren't important cards. If face/aggro hunter ever comes back (it almost surely won't until Baku Paladin is gone...), I feel like Tracking seems really good in there. The cards in a face hunter are just more ways to deal damage, and it doesn't exactly matter much which one you have at any given time.
Tracking in deathrattle hunter is the most powerful card. It basically assures a turn three or four devilsoar. In deathrattle hunter,you only need a couple cheats to work on curve, not all of them, so who cares about lost cards.
My initial post about Tracking being bad was more in line with Deathrattle and Recruit Hunter. It's obviously bad to average in spell hunter, especially if you're playing Zul'jin (which you most likely are). The argument about the cards being on the bottom is invalid, especially in the case of recruit hunter. You are completely losing cards that you could have otherwise recruited. It makes Kathrena a dead card later in the game for deathrattle hunter. It even makes Oondasta worse later on if you keep discarding good cards (granted you might want to even take the King Krush with an early Tracking if you're playing Oondasta). And people brought up not playing it against an odd warrior. So in that case it's a pretty much completely dead card unless you're desperate. I would much rather use a more versatile card in the deck.
I think the only deck that Tracking really works in is a standard, run of the mill midrange hunter. Anyways, it's probably best to just use your own judgment with the card. I personally hate it, and I've had a ton of success omitting it from my decks. Do I not know how to use it? Even if we assume not, I win without it, so screw all y'all haha.
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Sometimes tracking has painfull results, but you need 2 copies of it in spellhunter. Spellhunter is almost unbeatable if they can play the right cards on curve. Your chance of getting a spellstone greatly improves, you find your lethal easier and other super op cards like to my side and rhokdelar.
Spellhunter is a super strong deck, but relies heavy om 6-10 cards that are strong, the rest are filler cards to survive and secrets. Without 2x tracking youre winrate will defenetly go down a few percent.
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Is this a trick question? DK obviously. Though it kinda depends on the situation. If you are facing a mid-range deck, which doesn't run an AoE, and you want to finish the game fast, then you should go for the spellstone. DK - for the slow MUs. Zul;jin - well, I never actually saw this being a good card but I guess if you played a reasonable amount of spells and you want to end the game fast, then he is the right choice.
[edit] As for your bolded question, I will just quote the following user:
By the way, some data, check out:
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Maybe surprising to a lot of people. Take a guess what is the WORST preforming card in secret hunter... Yeah, its Deathstalker Rexxar. If you look at played winrate you see spellhunter has a few powerhouses. Spellstone, Zuljin, Rhokdelar, to my side, kill command and animal companion.
These 6 cards make hunter strong. The deathstalker performs worst in mulligan wr, drawn wr and played wr! This is also why tracking is very good. We rather just have the 6 strong cards, but when we dont have them, we get an extra chance through tracking. Before you say tracking has a mediocre played wr, thats mostly because you always play tracking when youre losing, looking for an answer, but you won't play tracking if your winning and can perfectly use your mana every turn.
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See Frankimahri's post above. It's not obvious in the slightest. And aside from one or two specific matchup situations, Rexxar can often be the last choice to pick here.
Uhhh huh... the bolded question literally specified a hunter deck. That quote claims to want to play it in every class and every deck. I'm not sure kitox_me knows what class cards are. ^_^ Lol
Anecdotally, I've not found that to be the case for me. The only games I've usually won when using Tracking re ones I was already in good shape to win. And I've never won by finding the card I've needed from it.
Conversely, having removed it and replacing it with and Eaglehorn bow, I have noticed a substantial increase in wins where I would previously have struggled thanks to the bow finding me that extra damage for lethal a lot of times.
As said, this is anecdotal and your results may vary etc etc. But for now I am going to try continuing with the bow for a bit and see what happens. The only time I lost hard recently was against another hunter who got 2 secrets and 2 spellstones in his mulligan. I couldn't really keep up the damage and I dont think a Tracking would have helped much there! :-P
So, youve never had tracking in your starting hand and found a spellstone?
You have never played tracking on turn 7 and found a to my side?
You have never played tracking to find a removal like hunters mark, kill command or flanking strike?
Never the explosive trap you needed to survive against odd pally?
You never realised the tracking you played early game that deleted 2 useless cards made you win in the end because you drew better cards now?
Never ever needed something to play and found an animal companion?
Never a turn 8 tracking into Rokdhelar?
Are you sure youre playing spellhunter ;')?
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Why would you ever keep tracking in your starting hand? You don't know what you're going to need until at least the first few turns.
And if I have ever found it in my hand and needed a spell stone, then when I use it, I most often lose another important card in the process.
Can definitely say nope to this one. Never needed it.
Oh for sure. I almost never find the removal I need from it, but I've certainly tried plenty of times! XD
I normally mulliganed for the traps early on - or use Secret Plan to find the one I need. Though aggro Pally is dead now anyway. :-) (Hurrah!)
No. Definitely not. I've never found myself rejoicing for having lost two cards from my hunter deck. Ever. I can feel 100% certain about this.
That's a bit ambiguous. Tracking certainly gives you something to play. But it may have just as easily been a more useful card and not remove two cards from your deck in the process.
Mmmm nope - turn 8 is usually something like a Rexxar and build a beast, or finish off a player with double KC and HP, or a big swing play with Secret + Spellstone. Or often To My Side! and a secret, etc.
Now, that's not to say none of those things have ever happened - but certainly not regularly enough for me to feel the card provides a better advantage than to switch it out with something more useful.
It's not exactly a Rocket Science card of Complexity.... XD
In theory, I know tracking is good. The "cards on the bottom of the deck" thing is accurate, and folks cared too much about it with Fel Reaver, that Keening Banshee probably isn't bad except for the fact that a 4-mana 5/5 probably isn't good enough. And while a lot of hunter decks have the power to go into fatigue games against Warrior, there are games you'll play against Aggro, and it won't matter. You just need the card you need now.
But it's hard watching the things go away. Hunters feel like they have a lot of important cards that matter. It's hard to put that out of your head, and ignore the cards you just lost.
Now, in a lot of decks, there aren't important cards. If face/aggro hunter ever comes back (it almost surely won't until Baku Paladin is gone...), I feel like Tracking seems really good in there. The cards in a face hunter are just more ways to deal damage, and it doesn't exactly matter much which one you have at any given time.
The only time I don't play tracking is if I'm also playing Zul'jin. Devouring your own deck like that is too risky against control decks
Tracking in deathrattle hunter is the most powerful card. It basically assures a turn three or four devilsoar. In deathrattle hunter,you only need a couple cheats to work on curve, not all of them, so who cares about lost cards.
In spell hunter I think it's a very average card.
My initial post about Tracking being bad was more in line with Deathrattle and Recruit Hunter. It's obviously bad to average in spell hunter, especially if you're playing Zul'jin (which you most likely are). The argument about the cards being on the bottom is invalid, especially in the case of recruit hunter. You are completely losing cards that you could have otherwise recruited. It makes Kathrena a dead card later in the game for deathrattle hunter. It even makes Oondasta worse later on if you keep discarding good cards (granted you might want to even take the King Krush with an early Tracking if you're playing Oondasta). And people brought up not playing it against an odd warrior. So in that case it's a pretty much completely dead card unless you're desperate. I would much rather use a more versatile card in the deck.
I think the only deck that Tracking really works in is a standard, run of the mill midrange hunter. Anyways, it's probably best to just use your own judgment with the card. I personally hate it, and I've had a ton of success omitting it from my decks. Do I not know how to use it? Even if we assume not, I win without it, so screw all y'all haha.
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