the most affected and angry about this nerf is probably Rogue users who play Kingsbane. like i mention before, im an odd-pally player, and didn't really care about it. you hardly drawn a Level Up! cards on turns 5 or keep enough a Silver Hand Recruit alive until then. so far my wins because of that card is hardly happening. all you need to do is to build an aggro odd-pally. many low cost mana cards are out with the new expansion like Saronite Taskmaster or Ornery Tortoise
My wife started playing this game 10 months ago, at the time she got 2 free legendaries both for Rogue (Valeera the Hollow + Kingsbane) and she immidietely started playing only that class.. At the time Rogue was pretty bad, expecially Kingsbane . She bearly got ,for 10 months playing, enough dust (F2P + 1 promotion pack) to craft whole deck and now they ruined it. There is no problem in nerfing OP decks, there is problem with new players who dont have good decks to craft 50%+ winning decks after nerfing passively legendarys. And other problem is getting legendary is not in 20 packs avg .. It is always 20+ only if you get really really lucky, you will get it sooner. That is like when someone is saying avg salary is for example 4k Euros but most people are getting 2k- and there are some exceptions that are 10k+ (extreme values) that are bringing up the AVG salary for everyone. It is like impossible to start playing this game at this time if you are not P2W..This is really sad and i think my wife will probably stop playing this game because of it . We must agree that it is not fun if you are always losing ...
I am sorry for bad ENG but i hope you understand me and the problem we have.
My wife started playing this game 10 months ago, at the time she got 2 free legendaries both for Rogue (Valeera the Hollow + Kingsbane) and she immidietely started playing only that class.. At the time Rogue was preatty bad, expecially Kingsbane . She bearly got ,for 10 months playing, enough dust (F2P + 1 promotion pack) to craft whole deck and now they ruined it. There is no problem in nerfing OP decks, there is problem with new players who dont have good decks to craft 50%+ winning decks after nerfing passively legendarys. And other problem is getting legendary is not in 20 packs avg .. It is always 20+ only if you get really really lucky, you will get it sooner. That is like when someone is saying avg salary for example 4k Euros but most peaople are getting 2k- and there are some exceptions that are 10k+ (extrem values) that are bringing up the AVG salary for everyone. It is like impossible to start playing this game at this time if you are not P2W..This is really sad and i think my wife will probably stop playing this game because it we all know and must agree that it is not fun if you are always losing ...
I am sorry for bad ENG but i hope you understand me and the problem we have.
Thank you.
I totally get what you're saying and its sad even though those nerfs are great for the game f2p players that spent dust on these decks are getting destroyed cuz a refund for 1 or 2 commons is nothing its not gonna help anyone build another deck... And in this case is even worse usually they anounce nerfs a week or 2 earlier not at the same day.
My wife started playing this game 10 months ago, at the time she got 2 free legendaries both for Rogue (Valeera the Hollow + Kingsbane) and she immidietely started playing only that class.. At the time Rogue was preatty bad, expecially Kingsbane . She bearly got ,for 10 months playing, enough dust (F2P + 1 promotion pack) to craft whole deck and now they ruined it. There is no problem in nerfing OP decks, there is problem with new players who dont have good decks to craft 50%+ winning decks after nerfing passively legendarys. And other problem is getting legendary is not in 20 packs avg .. It is always 20+ only if you get really really lucky, you will get it sooner. That is like when someone is saying avg salary for example 4k Euros but most peaople are getting 2k- and there are some exceptions that are 10k+ (extrem values) that are bringing up the AVG salary for everyone. It is like impossible to start playing this game at this time if you are not P2W..This is really sad and i think my wife will probably stop playing this game because it we all know and must agree that it is not fun if you are always losing ...
I am sorry for bad ENG but i hope you understand me and the problem we have.
Thank you.
While I'm not sad to see Kingsbane go, I do think they should have changed the Legendary, or refunded it regardless.
My girlfriend is also a F2P player, and she has consistently opened the Druid legendaries the past few expansions. I have recently helped her build a few nice Druid decks, since she doesn't have dust for much else. I think the changes to the ramp cards will make them pretty bad. They really should have gone for cards like Ultimate Infestation instead, in my opinion.
You chose to play OP cancer decks, you don't cry when they get nerfed.
Deal with it. You knew you were playing an OP cancer deck from the start. Man up.
If you don't want your cards to get nerfed, then don't play them and craft them. LEL
Kingsbane, odd pala and shudderwock. all very cancerous and annoying decks to play against. Deserves the nerfs.
So according to you no one should play the best deck available? All I'm reading are people who don't want others to get dust because they were playing strong decks. WTF do you want people to play then??? Odd shaman?? Blizzard nerfs some cards to the current best decks and you just laugh and call those who played those decks "deserving to have less dust" There are people who don't have a large collection so they have crafted a strong deck like Kingsbane or Shudderwock so that they can climb the ladder and have fun. Now when Blizzard nerfs it they don't have a strong deck anymore so naturally they want dust back, and then there are people like you who just tell them that they are cancerous and deserved to not have dust.
All this forum is doing is people spouting BS about how the best decks are pure cancer and those players who played it deserve to have their collections ruined. Peace.
My wife started playing this game 10 months ago, at the time she got 2 free legendaries both for Rogue (Valeera the Hollow + Kingsbane) and she immidietely started playing only that class.. At the time Rogue was preatty bad, expecially Kingsbane . She bearly got ,for 10 months playing, enough dust (F2P + 1 promotion pack) to craft whole deck and now they ruined it. There is no problem in nerfing OP decks, there is problem with new players who dont have good decks to craft 50%+ winning decks after nerfing passively legendarys. And other problem is getting legendary is not in 20 packs avg .. It is always 20+ only if you get really really lucky, you will get it sooner. That is like when someone is saying avg salary for example 4k Euros but most peaople are getting 2k- and there are some exceptions that are 10k+ (extrem values) that are bringing up the AVG salary for everyone. It is like impossible to start playing this game at this time if you are not P2W..This is really sad and i think my wife will probably stop playing this game because it we all know and must agree that it is not fun if you are always losing ...
I am sorry for bad ENG but i hope you understand me and the problem we have.
Thank you.
Is this a joke? Nobody can start playing this game 10 months ago, pretend to be almost a F2P player and stay competitive. I'm really tired of defending Blizzard today, it's really not my style :P, but they are not charity, bro.
The number one reason I wouldn't want to be a politician is the fact that people complain so fucking much! About everything! This day is phenomenal to Hearthstone overall. Read the previous sentence again - phenomenal. Blizzard has released two great sets without much power creep (hence the stale meta for a long period) and now they address oppressive decks that will likely impact the meta in a super significant way. I am 110% satisfied with Blizzard and so do big influencers like Kripparian and Regis etc.
Let us speak loudly and give huge applauds to Blizzard so that they will continue to do good stuff like this in the future!
Like a couple of posters here already stated this refund nonsense is ridicilous and you can't draw a clear line where the refunds would end. Like let's say another deck with not a single nerf plummets because of these changes and shifting meta. Should they now get refunded as well? No!
Free to play is cute and all, but for Blizzard you are just a 0-paying customer so you don't get to vote! I'm a paying customer and I have access to every meta deck and beyond. I will adapt and keep having fun.
Is this a joke? Nobody can start playing this game 10 months ago, pretend to be almost a F2P player and stay competitive.
Ahm, why not? If this poster gave some tips to his wife and if she was really (un)lucky enough to obtain the aforementioned cards, then this scenario is plausible. Let's not forget, that we get a legendary in the first ten packs from a certain set, which started becoming a thing since KoFT. So his wife most likely benefited from this.
I joined hs in late LoE and my first real competitive deck was Renolock in MSoG (I was and still am a f2p).
What would be a more fair system? How could they give you dust for other cards based on the nerf to one card? Because Leeching was nerfed, should you also get dust for Valeera? Because Chain Gang was nerfed, should you also get dust for Valynyr? Should I get dust for Gonk because of Wild Growth?
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Community: "What a garbage game, change the polarization, nerf Druid and Kingsbane and Odd Pally and Shudderwock!"
Team5: "We've listened to your requests and looked critically at the problematic cards. Here are our nerfs!"
Community: "Now refund us in dust for all the cards that were part of the deck that included the nerfed cards!"
Here we go again. It's not enough that Blizzard decided to listen to the community, the community demands dust for basically all cards in these decks.
You could make an argument for Kingsbane, this I believe. However, Kingsbane on his own, was never problematic. It was his interaction with Leeching Poison that made it frustrating to play against. So, they nerfed the perfect card. I believe Kingsbane could still be playable, but needs to be more on the Control-side now. So why offer refunds for Kingsbane?
Same goes for Shudderwock. That card is not dead now, it's just less degenerate this way. So they nerfed the perfect card. And don't even get me started on Druid. The nerfed cards are in EVERY deck, so you wish to get refunded for EVERY card? And for Odd Pally?
They nerfed the perfect cards, and we know it. Thus, they follow policy to not refund other cards. It's not that strange.
Fair system is when one card Nerf heavily impacts an archetype based on 1 card in this case Kingsbane.Remember Quest Druid refunds?
So, how much dust should you get and based on what criteria? Which version of Kingsbane Rogue are we talking about? The one on VS/Tempostorm? One of the many listed on Hearthpwn, some of which are pirate-based? My own homebrew version which has different cards? Which cards in those decks should I get a dust refund for? Can I make 18 different versions of Kingsbane, all with completely different cards except for Kingsbane, and be entitled to a dust refund for 504 cards because of the nerf to 1? Can I throw 2x Leeching Poison into every Rogue deck, even ones without Kingsbane, and expect a dust refund for those cards too?
Please explain how this would be more fair than simply giving a dust refund to the one card that was nerfed.
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the most affected and angry about this nerf is probably Rogue users who play Kingsbane. like i mention before, im an odd-pally player, and didn't really care about it. you hardly drawn a Level Up! cards on turns 5 or keep enough a Silver Hand Recruit alive until then. so far my wins because of that card is hardly happening. all you need to do is to build an aggro odd-pally. many low cost mana cards are out with the new expansion like Saronite Taskmaster or Ornery Tortoise
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My wife started playing this game 10 months ago, at the time she got 2 free legendaries both for Rogue (Valeera the Hollow + Kingsbane) and she immidietely started playing only that class.. At the time Rogue was pretty bad, expecially Kingsbane . She bearly got ,for 10 months playing, enough dust (F2P + 1 promotion pack) to craft whole deck and now they ruined it. There is no problem in nerfing OP decks, there is problem with new players who dont have good decks to craft 50%+ winning decks after nerfing passively legendarys. And other problem is getting legendary is not in 20 packs avg .. It is always 20+ only if you get really really lucky, you will get it sooner. That is like when someone is saying avg salary is for example 4k Euros but most people are getting 2k- and there are some exceptions that are 10k+ (extreme values) that are bringing up the AVG salary for everyone. It is like impossible to start playing this game at this time if you are not P2W..This is really sad and i think my wife will probably stop playing this game because of it . We must agree that it is not fun if you are always losing ...
I am sorry for bad ENG but i hope you understand me and the problem we have.
Thank you.
I totally get what you're saying and its sad even though those nerfs are great for the game f2p players that spent dust on these decks are getting destroyed cuz a refund for 1 or 2 commons is nothing its not gonna help anyone build another deck... And in this case is even worse usually they anounce nerfs a week or 2 earlier not at the same day.
While I'm not sad to see Kingsbane go, I do think they should have changed the Legendary, or refunded it regardless.
My girlfriend is also a F2P player, and she has consistently opened the Druid legendaries the past few expansions. I have recently helped her build a few nice Druid decks, since she doesn't have dust for much else. I think the changes to the ramp cards will make them pretty bad. They really should have gone for cards like Ultimate Infestation instead, in my opinion.
So according to you no one should play the best deck available? All I'm reading are people who don't want others to get dust because they were playing strong decks. WTF do you want people to play then??? Odd shaman?? Blizzard nerfs some cards to the current best decks and you just laugh and call those who played those decks "deserving to have less dust" There are people who don't have a large collection so they have crafted a strong deck like Kingsbane or Shudderwock so that they can climb the ladder and have fun. Now when Blizzard nerfs it they don't have a strong deck anymore so naturally they want dust back, and then there are people like you who just tell them that they are cancerous and deserved to not have dust.
All this forum is doing is people spouting BS about how the best decks are pure cancer and those players who played it deserve to have their collections ruined. Peace.
cry salty kings bane scum! cry!
Is this a joke? Nobody can start playing this game 10 months ago, pretend to be almost a F2P player and stay competitive. I'm really tired of defending Blizzard today, it's really not my style :P, but they are not charity, bro.
Yes it was the problematic part, because healing every turn like you just drew reno isn't fun. It's outright broken...
Always expect the unexpectable!
The number one reason I wouldn't want to be a politician is the fact that people complain so fucking much! About everything! This day is phenomenal to Hearthstone overall. Read the previous sentence again - phenomenal. Blizzard has released two great sets without much power creep (hence the stale meta for a long period) and now they address oppressive decks that will likely impact the meta in a super significant way. I am 110% satisfied with Blizzard and so do big influencers like Kripparian and Regis etc.
Let us speak loudly and give huge applauds to Blizzard so that they will continue to do good stuff like this in the future!
Like a couple of posters here already stated this refund nonsense is ridicilous and you can't draw a clear line where the refunds would end. Like let's say another deck with not a single nerf plummets because of these changes and shifting meta. Should they now get refunded as well? No!
Free to play is cute and all, but for Blizzard you are just a 0-paying customer so you don't get to vote! I'm a paying customer and I have access to every meta deck and beyond. I will adapt and keep having fun.
Kanye for president. Out.
Ahm, why not? If this poster gave some tips to his wife and if she was really (un)lucky enough to obtain the aforementioned cards, then this scenario is plausible. Let's not forget, that we get a legendary in the first ten packs from a certain set, which started becoming a thing since KoFT. So his wife most likely benefited from this.
I joined hs in late LoE and my first real competitive deck was Renolock in MSoG (I was and still am a f2p).
The game become too expensive,
The existing system of Nerfs compensation impacts heavily on your collection,
You invest dust (money) in several archetypes (which you like and think is strong) and after a while Blizzard destroy it with zero compensation.
Such kind of nerf "costs" you thousands of dust worth,
Lets say that you "invested" in Druid, crafted Togwaggle deck or Big Beast druid- you now can't play your decks,
Such deck costs about 10K of dust which is equals to 100$!
Yes, 10K of dust is ~100$ based on 1 pack = 1 $ = 100 dust.
Now, you can try Togwaggle in other classes.. but it's not good and fun to play right?
Oh, I didn't see the clause where they said you are now unable to play those decks. I should go and search for more information on this subject.
What would be a more fair system? How could they give you dust for other cards based on the nerf to one card? Because Leeching was nerfed, should you also get dust for Valeera? Because Chain Gang was nerfed, should you also get dust for Valynyr? Should I get dust for Gonk because of Wild Growth?
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Fair system is when one card Nerf heavily impacts an archetype based on 1 card in this case Kingsbane.Remember Quest Druid refunds?
This is all true and fair, but where is my dust for Mekgineer Thermaplugg?
All cards are balanced, but some cards are more balanced than others.
So, how much dust should you get and based on what criteria? Which version of Kingsbane Rogue are we talking about? The one on VS/Tempostorm? One of the many listed on Hearthpwn, some of which are pirate-based? My own homebrew version which has different cards? Which cards in those decks should I get a dust refund for? Can I make 18 different versions of Kingsbane, all with completely different cards except for Kingsbane, and be entitled to a dust refund for 504 cards because of the nerf to 1? Can I throw 2x Leeching Poison into every Rogue deck, even ones without Kingsbane, and expect a dust refund for those cards too?
Please explain how this would be more fair than simply giving a dust refund to the one card that was nerfed.
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No , only Quest of Druid was refunded so in this case only Kingsbane weapon will be.
People won't hesitate paying for cosmetic skins, but when this happens the alarm bells go off?
So fucking true.
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Love the changes. Good work Blizzard.