Yo guys, what cards do you think will hit the hall of fame next year? Here are my candidates: Druid-Nourish or Wild Growth Those cards are literally in all Druid decks, besides maybe the spiteful druid Hunter-None, i don't think hunter has problematic or limiting cards in classic Mage- None (not anymore, rotating iceblock was good) Paladin- maybe Divine Favor not much of a problem card lately, but it punishes holding back on your cards Priest-maybe Divine Spirit or Inner Fire, doesn't seem like a problem to me, but those 2 cards have been creating the same deck every year. Should buff holy nova tho :D Rogue-Oh boy, this has the most candidates for me. Tho i am biased because i really dislike this class. I find the back to hand mechanic dumb, while also disliking the cheat mana thingy it always does. The card i want most to be HoFed is Preperation, this has been discussed alot and opinions are very twisted on this one. Other candidates for me are Shadow Step, Sap and Vanish, obviously not all at the same time, but those are possibilities. Shaman- No problem here Warlock- No problem here either Warrior- The Warrior basic/classic set is pretty bad, if anything, this need a buff.
Neutral: The only candidates i can think of, are Alexstrasza, Malygos and Spellbreaker Tho i don't think this is needed at all.
Btw before anyone rage against me. I am not saying anything here NEEDS to be nerfed, just that it COULD be nerfed. Just my opinion about it. Tell me if you agree or disagree on my picks.
Mind Control Tech. It doesn't really a problem for ladder but a problem for arena and arena has standard cards only. I think it needs to be hof'ed.
and I don't agree with Preparation because almost all of the rogue spells are balanced around this card and if you hof it, those cards will be meaningless and you need to decrease their costs. So it seems not possible to hof Preparation . Maybe after this rotation if they start to create cards as not considering Preparation.
and I am a little confused about Dragon Aspects. They made a bundle which gives a free aspect and that makes me think that all of the aspects will be hof'ed and made me think about next year being Year of the Dragon aswell.
And for your mentions like Sap, Vanish, Wild Growth, Divine Spirit; I and most of people don't think they will hof basic cards. Hof is only about Classic cards.
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Just seems like a salt thread. A lot of these cards aren’t even that great and have proven over time that they don’t always find a fit in the meta. Only card I can agree with is prep.
Mind Control Tech. It doesn't really a problem for ladder but a problem for arena and arena has standard cards only. I think it needs to be hof'ed.
Agreed, forgot about that card
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Cards tied to class identity are not good candidates for the HOF. Nerfs may be possible for them. Blizzard hasnt done it since they took out Mage cards. That caused problems they are not likely to repeat. If inclusion in most class based decks is a problem, Northshire Cleric, Frostbolt, Sap, Flametongue Totem, Wirlwind, Slam, and Execute would rotate. Ruining the class identity of almost all the classes.
The dragons are not a problem and only fall into combo decks that are not played that much. People have been calling for them to be HOF or nerfed for a long time. Mainly because they cant beat those decks. A clue is your not supposed to win against every deck.
Cards tied to class identity are not good candidates for the HOF. Nerfs may be possible for them. Blizzard hasnt done it since they took out Mage cards. That caused problems they are not likely to repeat. If inclusion in most class based decks is a problem, Northshire Cleric, Frostbolt, Sap, Flametongue Totem, Wirlwind, Slam, and Execute would rotate. Ruining the class identity of almost all the classes.
The dragons are not a problem and only fall into combo decks that are not played that much. People have been calling for them to be HOF or nerfed for a long time. Mainly because they cant beat those decks. A clue is your not supposed to win against every deck.
I agree to a degree, I honestly don't think the druid ramp cards need to be rotated. Just don't give druid broken cards like they got last year. (Draw and board are supposed to be the issue with druid's class), however Prep needs to go. Its been said time and again that it makes it very hard to design for rogue because of it. And as a casual rogue player, I would like to get more powerful cards for it each expansion instead.
salt warning. after rotation we may see wild growth tho hof . malygos limits design space but then again priest spell stone is rotating there. alex is fine, it initally removed armour now it doesnt so the card gets balanced no need for hof. again it just seems salt thread
Neutral : Alexstraza for sure, this card can deal up to 15 Face Damage standalone or 14 Healing,used to be the centerpiece of major OTK decks.
I really want Big Game Hunter back to 3 Mana : Even Warlocks put an 8/8 on turn 3 guess what BGH used to counter that, really BGH back to 3 Mana i really want to see, the nerf to BGH was unfair.
Druid: Nothing, the only nerfed candidates were Spreading Plague UI and Branching Paths which are really a problem. But:
HoF : Ancient of Lore because that card is soo dead not even a Treant replace it with good epic card as compensation for the rotation of those monster Koft and Kobolds cards.
Mage: Mana Wyrm HoFed to Wild and make it 1 cost again and get a good card in return.
Rogue: HoF Blade Flurry and get a good rare card in return. Edwin is a problematic card if Rogue gets many cheap spells that cycle or do something proactive , a 10/10 on turn 3 however is not that menacing when warlock can put an 8/8 on turn 3.
Paladin : Divine Favor is ok, it is as strong as the cards paladin gets with new expansions.
Hunter: Believe it or not Scavenging Hyena has the potential to break the game given right cards.
Also HoF: Starving Buzzard and replace it with a somewhat useable??? card instead,dead cards in standard set really make a huge impact in the long run.
Maybe Tundra Rhino can be HoFed as well: It might lead to broken things see DK Rexxar giving it Stealth is insane already.
Shaman: Cannot think of a card for Shaman that needs to be HoFed: Eventually Doomhammer might be the only thing that restricts something for Shaman but rockbitter 2 mana now.
Warrior: Nothing here.
Warlock: HoF the Hero Power Kappa .
Priest: too late to ask for Divine Spirit inner fire to be HoFed when we got Topsy Turvy instead.
Maybe Auchenai Soulrpriest is prepared to be HoFed because they printed the 2 mana Phantasm???
Prophet Velen is a problematic card for Priest when it can be cheated out easily which also makes Malygos a candidate but .... the problem is the mana cheating not the cards itself , mana cheating cards are very bad.
I can't answer everything here. But i want to say, that this is not a salt thread and i never said that all the cards need to be HoFed.
The dragons for example i hope they will never disappear cuz i really like to play with them.
I don't want to argue about prep, it has been discussed so many times and as someone mentioned all current spells do have prep in mind. But in the other Hand, rogue spells will always be overcosted.
The last i want to say that i don't think that we have to be so strict towards class identity, ifyou achieve a better/diverser/more fun Game by taking away a little bit of the class identity, i d gladly take it.
Mind Control Tech. It doesn't really a problem for ladder but a problem for arena and arena has standard cards only. I think it needs to be hof'ed.
and I don't agree with Preparation because almost all of the rogue spells are balanced around this card and if you hof it, those cards will be meaningless and you need to decrease their costs. So it seems not possible to hof Preparation . Maybe after this rotation if they start to create cards as not considering Preparation.
I think the reasons you stated are exactly why Preparation would be rotated. It's the most limiting card in the game in terms of design space (you can never print a great Rogue spell that costs more than 3, because it can be cheated out). Limiting one half of a class's entire kit is really bad. I'd expect it to get nerfed before rotated, but if they rotate then we can only hope that they'll at least adjust Rogue's basic cards to compensate.
But something needs to happen. A class shouldn't be designed around a single card for its entire life.
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and I am a little confused about Dragon Aspects. They made a bundle which gives a free aspect and that makes me think that all of the aspects will be hof'ed and made me think about next year being Year of the Dragon aswell.
Couldn't guess the hof's but yay I could guess the year's theme. It made me happy lol.
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Yo guys, what cards do you think will hit the hall of fame next year?
Here are my candidates:
Druid-Nourish or Wild Growth Those cards are literally in all Druid decks, besides maybe the spiteful druid
Hunter-None, i don't think hunter has problematic or limiting cards in classic
Mage- None (not anymore, rotating iceblock was good)
Paladin- maybe Divine Favor not much of a problem card lately, but it punishes holding back on your cards
Priest-maybe Divine Spirit or Inner Fire, doesn't seem like a problem to me, but those 2 cards have been creating the same deck every year. Should buff holy nova tho :D
Rogue-Oh boy, this has the most candidates for me. Tho i am biased because i really dislike this class. I find the back to hand mechanic dumb, while also disliking the cheat mana thingy it always does. The card i want most to be HoFed is Preperation, this has been discussed alot and opinions are very twisted on this one. Other candidates for me are Shadow Step, Sap and Vanish, obviously not all at the same time, but those are possibilities.
Shaman- No problem here
Warlock- No problem here either
Warrior- The Warrior basic/classic set is pretty bad, if anything, this need a buff.
Neutral: The only candidates i can think of, are Alexstrasza, Malygos and Spellbreaker Tho i don't think this is needed at all.
Btw before anyone rage against me. I am not saying anything here NEEDS to be nerfed, just that it COULD be nerfed. Just my opinion about it.
Tell me if you agree or disagree on my picks.
Mind Control Tech. It doesn't really a problem for ladder but a problem for arena and arena has standard cards only. I think it needs to be hof'ed.
and I don't agree with Preparation because almost all of the rogue spells are balanced around this card and if you hof it, those cards will be meaningless and you need to decrease their costs. So it seems not possible to hof Preparation . Maybe after this rotation if they start to create cards as not considering Preparation.
and I am a little confused about Dragon Aspects. They made a bundle which gives a free aspect and that makes me think that all of the aspects will be hof'ed and made me think about next year being Year of the Dragon aswell.
And for your mentions like Sap, Vanish, Wild Growth, Divine Spirit; I and most of people don't think they will hof basic cards. Hof is only about Classic cards.
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ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
Agreed, forgot about that card
Divine Spirit + Inner Fire was a meme until we got Radiant Elemental and Lyra the Sunshard.
Just seems like a salt thread. A lot of these cards aren’t even that great and have proven over time that they don’t always find a fit in the meta. Only card I can agree with is prep.
So basically you are suggesting to kill druids and rogues class identities right?
Divine Spirit+Inner Fire combo decks are one of the most skillful and interesting decks out there to play.
I have edit that post. I hope you will read :)
Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players.
ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
Cards tied to class identity are not good candidates for the HOF. Nerfs may be possible for them. Blizzard hasnt done it since they took out Mage cards. That caused problems they are not likely to repeat.
If inclusion in most class based decks is a problem, Northshire Cleric, Frostbolt, Sap, Flametongue Totem, Wirlwind, Slam, and Execute would rotate. Ruining the class identity of almost all the classes.
The dragons are not a problem and only fall into combo decks that are not played that much. People have been calling for them to be HOF or nerfed for a long time. Mainly because they cant beat those decks. A clue is your not supposed to win against every deck.
If you are in your first year of playing please read this post.
Dust does not burn a hole in the jar. Be careful what you craft, especially before and right after a rotation.
Wild Growth will never ever go to hof. Druid's core identity is ramp and this is its core card.
I agree to a degree, I honestly don't think the druid ramp cards need to be rotated. Just don't give druid broken cards like they got last year. (Draw and board are supposed to be the issue with druid's class), however Prep needs to go. Its been said time and again that it makes it very hard to design for rogue because of it. And as a casual rogue player, I would like to get more powerful cards for it each expansion instead.
salt warning. after rotation we may see wild growth tho hof . malygos limits design space but then again priest spell stone is rotating there. alex is fine, it initally removed armour now it doesnt so the card gets balanced no need for hof. again it just seems salt thread
Neutral : Alexstraza for sure, this card can deal up to 15 Face Damage standalone or 14 Healing,used to be the centerpiece of major OTK decks.
I really want Big Game Hunter back to 3 Mana : Even Warlocks put an 8/8 on turn 3 guess what BGH used to counter that, really BGH back to 3 Mana i really want to see, the nerf to BGH was unfair.
Druid: Nothing, the only nerfed candidates were Spreading Plague UI and Branching Paths which are really a problem. But:
HoF : Ancient of Lore because that card is soo dead not even a Treant replace it with good epic card as compensation for the rotation of those monster Koft and Kobolds cards.
Mage: Mana Wyrm HoFed to Wild and make it 1 cost again and get a good card in return.
Rogue: HoF Blade Flurry and get a good rare card in return. Edwin is a problematic card if Rogue gets many cheap spells that cycle or do something proactive , a 10/10 on turn 3 however is not that menacing when warlock can put an 8/8 on turn 3.
Paladin : Divine Favor is ok, it is as strong as the cards paladin gets with new expansions.
Hunter: Believe it or not Scavenging Hyena has the potential to break the game given right cards.
Also HoF: Starving Buzzard and replace it with a somewhat useable??? card instead,dead cards in standard set really make a huge impact in the long run.
Maybe Tundra Rhino can be HoFed as well: It might lead to broken things see DK Rexxar giving it Stealth is insane already.
Shaman: Cannot think of a card for Shaman that needs to be HoFed: Eventually Doomhammer might be the only thing that restricts something for Shaman but rockbitter 2 mana now.
Warrior: Nothing here.
Warlock: HoF the Hero Power Kappa .
Priest: too late to ask for Divine Spirit inner fire to be HoFed when we got Topsy Turvy instead.
Maybe Auchenai Soulrpriest is prepared to be HoFed because they printed the 2 mana Phantasm???
Prophet Velen is a problematic card for Priest when it can be cheated out easily which also makes Malygos a candidate but .... the problem is the mana cheating not the cards itself , mana cheating cards are very bad.
it's more about shadow visions letting you dig for one or the other, or get multiple of one of them that made those cards useful.
I can't answer everything here. But i want to say, that this is not a salt thread and i never said that all the cards need to be HoFed.
The dragons for example i hope they will never disappear cuz i really like to play with them.
I don't want to argue about prep, it has been discussed so many times and as someone mentioned all current spells do have prep in mind. But in the other Hand, rogue spells will always be overcosted.
The last i want to say that i don't think that we have to be so strict towards class identity, ifyou achieve a better/diverser/more fun Game by taking away a little bit of the class identity, i d gladly take it.
Have a nice weekend <3
i hope Spellbreaker goes to wild, aggro decks will be much weaker and will be in a healthy spot.
Pure salt thread, and quickly devolving.
If you are in your first year of playing please read this post.
Dust does not burn a hole in the jar. Be careful what you craft, especially before and right after a rotation.
Ah, you're right. I knew it was Un'Goro that started it, but attributed the wrong cards.
I think the reasons you stated are exactly why Preparation would be rotated. It's the most limiting card in the game in terms of design space (you can never print a great Rogue spell that costs more than 3, because it can be cheated out). Limiting one half of a class's entire kit is really bad. I'd expect it to get nerfed before rotated, but if they rotate then we can only hope that they'll at least adjust Rogue's basic cards to compensate.
But something needs to happen. A class shouldn't be designed around a single card for its entire life.
Shieldbreaker
Think again :)
Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players.
ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
Couldn't guess the hof's but yay I could guess the year's theme. It made me happy lol.
And yes this is a necro. I am already a fan of Sylvanas Windrunner
For the Forsaken! For the Horde!
Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players.
ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!