So I was playing an even paladin deck against a burgle rogue and after he played Academic Espionage I thought that since some of the shuffled cards has to be spells and their cost is now 1 mana, that Skulking Geist would destroy them. However it only removed the cards that originaly costs 1 mana for example Adaptation. Is this a bug or just a bad interaction between these cards?
It is apparently working, it is just the only card currently that interacts with cards in your deck in this way. All other cards except Geist interact with the current value of the card rather than its initial value.
That's how the card works and it isn't a bad interaction, cards like that always take the original value of the card (in this case the cost), cause the cost reduction, is only a "buff", which you can easily notice by the fact that the 1 on their mana cost is GREEN (unless their original cost was 1 ofc) so the card still costs 2,3,4,5,6... but it was buffed by espionage to cost 1, still the vanilla card keeps its cost, cause if for example, it's a minion and it gets sent back to the hand it becomes the "original one" and you have to play its full mana cost as the 1 mana price was just buff it got when espionage was casted and that card was added to your deck.
Similar cards work the same way, if you play espionage and then hemet, only the cards that originally cost 3 or less are gonna be burned by hemet, this type of interaction makes sense.
Similar cards work the same way, if you play espionage and then hemet, only the cards that originally cost 3 or less are gonna be burned by hemet, this type of interaction makes sense.
So why does Grizzled Guardian pull any minion in the deck after you play Barnabus the Stomper? Shouldn't it be looking at the original value of the minions?
Similar cards work the same way, if you play espionage and then hemet, only the cards that originally cost 3 or less are gonna be burned by hemet, this type of interaction makes sense.
So why does Grizzled Guardian pull any minion in the deck after you play Barnabus the Stomper? Shouldn't it be looking at the original value of the minions?
Similar cards work the same way, if you play espionage and then hemet, only the cards that originally cost 3 or less are gonna be burned by hemet, this type of interaction makes sense.
So why does Grizzled Guardian pull any minion in the deck after you play Barnabus the Stomper? Shouldn't it be looking at the original value of the minions?
Because it mentions cards that cost 4 or less instead of 4 cost cards. This also includes cards which cost has been changed. A 4 cost card would then always refer to the card in its original form. Atleast i hope that it is what they ment by that ^^
Similar cards work the same way, if you play espionage and then hemet, only the cards that originally cost 3 or less are gonna be burned by hemet, this type of interaction makes sense.
So why does Grizzled Guardian pull any minion in the deck after you play Barnabus the Stomper? Shouldn't it be looking at the original value of the minions?
Academic Espionage reads - They cost (1). Which means when your draw them, their cost is reduced to one. There cost in the deck is the normal cost of the card.
Per Matt Place (Blizzard Game Designer) when SG was announced. "Sulking Geist looks at base cost, before it it modified. So even if you have Sorcerer's Apprentice, you will lose your Arcane Missiles."
Similar cards work the same way, if you play espionage and then hemet, only the cards that originally cost 3 or less are gonna be burned by hemet, this type of interaction makes sense.
So why does Grizzled Guardian pull any minion in the deck after you play Barnabus the Stomper? Shouldn't it be looking at the original value of the minions?
Academic Espionage reads - They cost (1). Which means when your draw them, their cost is reduced to one. There cost in the deck is the normal cost of the card.
I haven't played Academic Espionage in a deck yet. When you draw the card, do you see that animation? When you draw it, it comes out of the deck with its original cost and then an animation shows you it reduces to 1?
In any case, it would be good if there was clarification made to cards that interact in this way. The way both Academic Espionage and Skulking Geist are worded leaves their interaction very ambiguous.
Similar cards work the same way, if you play espionage and then hemet, only the cards that originally cost 3 or less are gonna be burned by hemet, this type of interaction makes sense.
So why does Grizzled Guardian pull any minion in the deck after you play Barnabus the Stomper? Shouldn't it be looking at the original value of the minions?
Academic Espionage reads - They cost (1). Which means when your draw them, their cost is reduced to one. There cost in the deck is the normal cost of the card.
I haven't played Academic Espionage in a deck yet. When you draw the card, do you see that animation? When you draw it, it comes out of the deck with its original cost and then an animation shows you it reduces to 1?
In any case, it would be good if there was clarification made to cards that interact in this way. The way both Academic Espionage and Skulking Geist are worded leaves their interaction very ambiguous.
Is not a bug... but is a horrible interaction with a bad written card.
So I was playing an even paladin deck against a burgle rogue and after he played Academic Espionage I thought that since some of the shuffled cards has to be spells and their cost is now 1 mana, that Skulking Geist would destroy them. However it only removed the cards that originaly costs 1 mana for example Adaptation. Is this a bug or just a bad interaction between these cards?
Works as intended.
True. Skulking Geist is searching for the original cost of a card, not the actual reduced cost.
It is apparently working, it is just the only card currently that interacts with cards in your deck in this way. All other cards except Geist interact with the current value of the card rather than its initial value.
That's how the card works and it isn't a bad interaction, cards like that always take the original value of the card (in this case the cost), cause the cost reduction, is only a "buff", which you can easily notice by the fact that the 1 on their mana cost is GREEN (unless their original cost was 1 ofc) so the card still costs 2,3,4,5,6... but it was buffed by espionage to cost 1, still the vanilla card keeps its cost, cause if for example, it's a minion and it gets sent back to the hand it becomes the "original one" and you have to play its full mana cost as the 1 mana price was just buff it got when espionage was casted and that card was added to your deck.
Similar cards work the same way, if you play espionage and then hemet, only the cards that originally cost 3 or less are gonna be burned by hemet, this type of interaction makes sense.
So why does Grizzled Guardian pull any minion in the deck after you play Barnabus the Stomper? Shouldn't it be looking at the original value of the minions?
Because consistency is overrated
I think that Skulking Geist has list of spells he should target.
Because it mentions cards that cost 4 or less instead of 4 cost cards. This also includes cards which cost has been changed. A 4 cost card would then always refer to the card in its original form. Atleast i hope that it is what they ment by that ^^
Because Barnabus the Stomper affects all the cards IN YOUR DECK.
Academic Espionage reads - They cost (1). Which means when your draw them, their cost is reduced to one. There cost in the deck is the normal cost of the card.
You can test it by putting cards in a deck, play Prince Keleseth, and see what Master Oakheart pulls.
That's not how Academic Espionage works. Skulking Geist does not destroy discounted spells. I made a quick research:
https://imgur.com/a/mBuqLgp
Per Matt Place (Blizzard Game Designer) when SG was announced. "Sulking Geist looks at base cost, before it it modified. So even if you have Sorcerer's Apprentice, you will lose your Arcane Missiles."
I haven't played Academic Espionage in a deck yet. When you draw the card, do you see that animation? When you draw it, it comes out of the deck with its original cost and then an animation shows you it reduces to 1?
In any case, it would be good if there was clarification made to cards that interact in this way. The way both Academic Espionage and Skulking Geist are worded leaves their interaction very ambiguous.
Is not a bug... but is a horrible interaction with a bad written card.
https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Hemet,_Jungle_Hunter
https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Skulking_Geist
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type"base mana cost"
it seems they are only cards, which looks into base cost, all other cards should work as our logic see it on first glance.