yo we are back at it again... after the salt rage about raza priest which was until now the really only good priest deck in standard( old big priest and dragon priest ) are close to it.
i wont defend raza becouse it was tbh really broken,but why did ppl rage so much about priest. in all hearthstone history its the class that never really saw for a long period of time competive play.(with warrior)
why help priest when we can just push warlock and druid even more..(also my main 2 classes ).
what priest needed? a decent board clear or a good dragon, the only good dragon right now is dusbreaker everything else sucks or is way to slow(looking at your primoal drake).
Psyich scream is great against aggro but until turn 7 you most of the time already dead + you lose to fatigue against control decks.
what to do next expansion ? give it a decent low cost dragon(that impacts the board) and something like dragon fire potion, if priest still had dragon fire potion , it would crush aggro.
or like jokerofchaos said : go away for a time from the dragon archetype and give it decent standalone cards.
thanks for reading my salt hope you have enough for a month.
I definitely think priest needs new control tools. But not Dragon related. I am a priest lover and also love the Dragon cards but i think its enough. Priest needs good cards on their own. Not broken like Potion of Madness but solid on their own like shadow word horror. Ir needs to stop relying on dragons.
I think it has good tools like Reckless Experimenter. Not in the current meta but the potential is there and not only for Mecathun memery.
But we will have to wait for nerfs for more cards and probably for the next rotation for the class to have a tier 1 deck again.
I definitely think priest needs new control tools. But not Dragon related. I am a priest lover and also love the Dragon cards but i think its enough. Priest needs good cards on their own. Not broken like Potion of Madness but solid on their own like shadow word horror. Ir needs to stop relying on dragons.
I think it has good tools like Reckless Experimenter. Not in the current meta but the potential is there and not only for Mecathun memery.
But we will have to wait for nerfs for more cards and probably for the next rotation for the class to have a tier 1 deck again.
yeah i aggre, well said. im also tired of the dragon push in priest buti guess its there main theme for priest
You would be suprised but OTK Reno priest in Wild can still do 60 dmg xD. And in Wild overall every class have multiple viable archetypes. The Standard Priest is in a terrible spot though. Control Priest is Tier 2 deck and then all the other Priest deck are either Tier 3 or lower. I think Priest right now lacks a strong board clear + Utterly powerfull/broken card. He can definitelly do some comboes with Malygos and Velen OTK decks, but it is just an overkill and only in specific matchups. On the other hand we have combo decks like MalyDruid and Shudderwock that are genuinelly powerfull, require less thinking and effort to set up, and will still kill your opponent even though it is not overkill. Don't get me wrong, Priest is still superior as a Control deck thanks to Arcibishop and DK Anduin, but the thing is that a lot of Control decks are not good enough for this Standard meta so they need to cut some cards for some finisher like Mindblasts and such.(Thats why Mindblast Control is better rn than Arcibishop Control)
Priest is still super viable in wild, which is great in my opinion, however, in standard druid takes all the fame and power which makes priest not viable because they both are based on healing and control and there can only be one
Bruh, Priest was EVERYWHERE before cards rotated out this year. I'm pretty happy to get rest from seeing him in every single match-up. Big Priest? Well, not anymore. Play something else as long as there will be a good deck (Thijis made one im pretty sure, and it's working).
Imo, I would like to see some Odd Priests in future, it's cool and kinda a waste because Baku is here for abit and I haven't seen any good deck since then.
Especially since priest is the most opressive class when it’s at the top, much much more than any other class.
As a mainly arena player, I can tell you the most disgusting meta was when priest was at the top.
Priest is the most “win more” class in the game, when it gets ahead it stays ahead and is very hard to beat, and very unfun to play against, thus I fear priest is doomed to always be a niche combo or big deck, otherwise it becomes way too oppressive.
It’s fine if a slow priest is at the top of the meta coz it can still be run over by aggro or out-comboed by whatever rouge/druid have at the time, but any aggro/tempo/midrange priest can never be at the top because it would just be too good.
people raged about priest because it was to op. nobody cares about how good it was before, they just dont want to face it now. like how in year of the mamoth everyone said the whole year "aggro is dumb, why cant we have a nice control meta", then this year "i hate all this 20 minutes control games, put aggro back in". same thing, when priest is good they say nerf it, when it is bad they say priest gets no love.
and thank you for admitting your salt is salt.
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im doing pretty good with a dragon priest deck, with Alexstrasza and mindblast package. But i agree that priest needs some love, instead of warlock and druid getting it all...
The problem is druid is a class which kind of tips the balance of everything.
I mentioned a similar thing in the salty thread yesterday about how each class has a weakness, but classes like druid have no weakness, whereas Priest suffers from several issues.
Priest, what it can and cant do:
Strengths: Can removal minions pretty easy, can generator cards, dragon synergy, can play combo and control, can heal
Weakness: minions with 4 attack, few late game cards, mostly gimmicky legionaries (Temporus, Zerek, etc) , Very weak basic set
What priest needs:
1: More cards like Reckless Experimenter- cards that are powerful with an interesting effect, instead of cards which are more meh like Extra Arms.
2: More useful lower cost cards- Cards that grant board control. Maybe a 3 mana 2/3 dragon that reads: if you are holding a dragon, deal 1 damage to all other minions. Some kind of tempo card like duskbreaker which can help control the board.
3- Better late game cards. Most of priest win conditions are pretty gimmicky, would be nice for a strong late game card like Obsidian Statue.
The problem of other classes:
One thing i find is that some classes are just too good at doing everything EG druid, which repressive classes like mage, warrior and priest who are not as strong.
Druid can play tempo, control and aggro, Good removal, can gain Armour and restore health, can ramp mana, can steal your deck, cheat out huge minions and have 20 mana turns.
The question is: why play priest when you can play druid?
Bruh, Priest was EVERYWHERE before cards rotated out this year. I'm pretty happy to get rest from seeing him in every single match-up. Big Priest? Well, not anymore. Play something else as long as there will be a good deck (Thijis made one im pretty sure, and it's working).
Imo, I would like to see some Odd Priests in future, it's cool and kinda a waste because Baku is here for abit and I haven't seen any good deck since then.
psychic scream is to SLOW
holy nova is to bad ,everything has 3 health
mass dispel sucks dick, what you want to silence? zoo lock? odd rogue? lol srsly.
soulpriest+ CoH is 2 card combo good luck with having it on turn 4 and even after that you are low on cards after this.
spirit lash does 1 DMG, with thalnos 2 dmg which is also a 2 card combo, like i said 2 dmg is nothing where everything is 3 health
duskbreaker is great but all other dragons are bad !!
I reach rank 5 easily using dragon burst priest, ez win Vs zoolock,odd rogue and aggro mage, balanced vs controlock, impossible Vs druid and warrior, it's as always rock paper scissors
When I was laddering this month, there wasn't a single deck I lost to more often then Mecha'thun Priest. It's not a common deck, but I still went 1-13 against it or something.
Especially since priest is the most opressive class when it’s at the top, much much more than any other class.
As a mainly arena player, I can tell you the most disgusting meta was when priest was at the top.
Priest is the most “win more” class in the game, when it gets ahead it stays ahead and is very hard to beat, and very unfun to play against, thus I fear priest is doomed to always be a niche combo or big deck, otherwise it becomes way too oppressive.
It’s fine if a slow priest is at the top of the meta coz it can still be run over by aggro or out-comboed by whatever rouge/druid have at the time, but any aggro/tempo/midrange priest can never be at the top because it would just be too good.
Oh tell us why the class is "oppressive", might be because of the overcoasted-mediocre at best tools they have?
Priest sadly is the most one dimensional class in the game along side maybe rogue and shaman. By that i mean he never got any cards for an aggro or tempo play style. Always combo and control. Other classes like hunter never had a good control deck but every expansion they get a card that tries to push that archetype. Priest always got combo/control cards. Rogue and shaman are in a similar situation with them only getting combo/ aggro cards (well shaman got a few boardclears so it's not such a tragedy).
Priest the last 5-6 expansion only got dragons, weird cast-a-lot-of-spells related cards, some removal, deathrattle related stuff and copy your opponents stuff cards.
Priest only has control. That's it. Whether you have a win condition and you call it combo or not you still have the same game plan with every deck. ALL the other classes have an alternative style. Every class that has/had a control deck also had/has a good aggro deck. Warlock has zoo, mage has tempo, paladin has odd/murlock/silver hand (remember when pala had a control deck?), warrior has pirates, druid has tokens. The ONLY aggresive priest card there is is Shadowbomber.
And because of that if there are better control decks than priest then he is just a bad class cause the only thing he can do is done better by someone else. (which right now is druid and warlock)
Priest was good last year and as Priest main I agree that it was way too much and mirror matches took all day. So having said that it will be a long time before/if ever they are that good again. Shaman hasn't been at the top since Tunnel Trogg days and people still have nightmares over it. Same with Patron warrior
This is Purify situation all over again. I am sure next expansion Blizzard are going to print "Purge : 2 mana spell, destroy your hero and draw a card". They never learn from their mistakes.
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yo we are back at it again... after the salt rage about raza priest which was until now the really only good priest deck in standard( old big priest and dragon priest ) are close to it.
i wont defend raza becouse it was tbh really broken,but why did ppl rage so much about priest. in all hearthstone history its the class that never really saw for a long period of time competive play.(with warrior)
why help priest when we can just push warlock and druid even more..(also my main 2 classes ).
what priest needed? a decent board clear or a good dragon, the only good dragon right now is dusbreaker everything else sucks or is way to slow(looking at your primoal drake).
Psyich scream is great against aggro but until turn 7 you most of the time already dead + you lose to fatigue against control decks.
what to do next expansion ? give it a decent low cost dragon(that impacts the board) and something like dragon fire potion, if priest still had dragon fire potion , it would crush aggro.
or like jokerofchaos said : go away for a time from the dragon archetype and give it decent standalone cards.
thanks for reading my salt hope you have enough for a month.
Druid must be nerfed and everything will be playable again.
I definitely think priest needs new control tools. But not Dragon related. I am a priest lover and also love the Dragon cards but i think its enough. Priest needs good cards on their own. Not broken like Potion of Madness but solid on their own like shadow word horror. Ir needs to stop relying on dragons.
I think it has good tools like Reckless Experimenter. Not in the current meta but the potential is there and not only for Mecathun memery.
But we will have to wait for nerfs for more cards and probably for the next rotation for the class to have a tier 1 deck again.
yeah i aggre, well said. im also tired of the dragon push in priest buti guess its there main theme for priest
You would be suprised but OTK Reno priest in Wild can still do 60 dmg xD. And in Wild overall every class have multiple viable archetypes. The Standard Priest is in a terrible spot though. Control Priest is Tier 2 deck and then all the other Priest deck are either Tier 3 or lower. I think Priest right now lacks a strong board clear + Utterly powerfull/broken card. He can definitelly do some comboes with Malygos and Velen OTK decks, but it is just an overkill and only in specific matchups. On the other hand we have combo decks like MalyDruid and Shudderwock that are genuinelly powerfull, require less thinking and effort to set up, and will still kill your opponent even though it is not overkill. Don't get me wrong, Priest is still superior as a Control deck thanks to Arcibishop and DK Anduin, but the thing is that a lot of Control decks are not good enough for this Standard meta so they need to cut some cards for some finisher like Mindblasts and such.(Thats why Mindblast Control is better rn than Arcibishop Control)
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Priest is still super viable in wild, which is great in my opinion, however, in standard druid takes all the fame and power which makes priest not viable because they both are based on healing and control and there can only be one
Bruh, Priest was EVERYWHERE before cards rotated out this year. I'm pretty happy to get rest from seeing him in every single match-up. Big Priest? Well, not anymore. Play something else as long as there will be a good deck (Thijis made one im pretty sure, and it's working).
Btw. You're saying he need board clears? Psychic Scream, Holy Nova, Mass Dispel (it's not a board clear but AoE silence, taunts? not anymore0, Auchenai Soulpriest + Circle of Healing, Spirit Lash, Duskbreaker. Also some single target deletes and Obsidian Statue ofc. Keep in mind some classes have a very few boards clears.
Imo, I would like to see some Odd Priests in future, it's cool and kinda a waste because Baku is here for abit and I haven't seen any good deck since then.
yep i know ofc priest is great in wild becouse it has all the cards aviable. im talking specifc about standard
Ok so class balance is not as easy as you think.
Especially since priest is the most opressive class when it’s at the top, much much more than any other class.
As a mainly arena player, I can tell you the most disgusting meta was when priest was at the top.
Priest is the most “win more” class in the game, when it gets ahead it stays ahead and is very hard to beat, and very unfun to play against, thus I fear priest is doomed to always be a niche combo or big deck, otherwise it becomes way too oppressive.
It’s fine if a slow priest is at the top of the meta coz it can still be run over by aggro or out-comboed by whatever rouge/druid have at the time, but any aggro/tempo/midrange priest can never be at the top because it would just be too good.
people raged about priest because it was to op. nobody cares about how good it was before, they just dont want to face it now. like how in year of the mamoth everyone said the whole year "aggro is dumb, why cant we have a nice control meta", then this year "i hate all this 20 minutes control games, put aggro back in". same thing, when priest is good they say nerf it, when it is bad they say priest gets no love.
and thank you for admitting your salt is salt.
Rejoice, for even in death, you have become children of Thanos.
im doing pretty good with a dragon priest deck, with Alexstrasza and mindblast package. But i agree that priest needs some love, instead of warlock and druid getting it all...
The problem is druid is a class which kind of tips the balance of everything.
I mentioned a similar thing in the salty thread yesterday about how each class has a weakness, but classes like druid have no weakness, whereas Priest suffers from several issues.
Priest, what it can and cant do:
Strengths: Can removal minions pretty easy, can generator cards, dragon synergy, can play combo and control, can heal
Weakness: minions with 4 attack, few late game cards, mostly gimmicky legionaries (Temporus, Zerek, etc) , Very weak basic set
What priest needs:
1: More cards like Reckless Experimenter- cards that are powerful with an interesting effect, instead of cards which are more meh like Extra Arms.
2: More useful lower cost cards- Cards that grant board control. Maybe a 3 mana 2/3 dragon that reads: if you are holding a dragon, deal 1 damage to all other minions. Some kind of tempo card like duskbreaker which can help control the board.
3- Better late game cards. Most of priest win conditions are pretty gimmicky, would be nice for a strong late game card like Obsidian Statue.
The problem of other classes:
One thing i find is that some classes are just too good at doing everything EG druid, which repressive classes like mage, warrior and priest who are not as strong.
Druid can play tempo, control and aggro, Good removal, can gain Armour and restore health, can ramp mana, can steal your deck, cheat out huge minions and have 20 mana turns.
The question is: why play priest when you can play druid?
psychic scream is to SLOW
holy nova is to bad ,everything has 3 health
mass dispel sucks dick, what you want to silence? zoo lock? odd rogue? lol srsly.
soulpriest+ CoH is 2 card combo good luck with having it on turn 4 and even after that you are low on cards after this.
spirit lash does 1 DMG, with thalnos 2 dmg which is also a 2 card combo, like i said 2 dmg is nothing where everything is 3 health
duskbreaker is great but all other dragons are bad !!
do you even read bruhhhh
I reach rank 5 easily using dragon burst priest, ez win Vs zoolock,odd rogue and aggro mage, balanced vs controlock, impossible Vs druid and warrior, it's as always rock paper scissors
When I was laddering this month, there wasn't a single deck I lost to more often then Mecha'thun Priest. It's not a common deck, but I still went 1-13 against it or something.
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Oh tell us why the class is "oppressive", might be because of the overcoasted-mediocre at best tools they have?
Drakonid Operative is pretty much the whole priest class.
Most "viable" deck they had was gimmickry based on luck because nothing else was viable.
I agree with you.
I also want to say that Paladin decks are bad atm,i mean playing Odd Aggro everytime feels bad man.
But hey,at least i'm playing Mech Paladin.
Priest sadly is the most one dimensional class in the game along side maybe rogue and shaman. By that i mean he never got any cards for an aggro or tempo play style. Always combo and control. Other classes like hunter never had a good control deck but every expansion they get a card that tries to push that archetype. Priest always got combo/control cards. Rogue and shaman are in a similar situation with them only getting combo/ aggro cards (well shaman got a few boardclears so it's not such a tragedy).
Priest the last 5-6 expansion only got dragons, weird cast-a-lot-of-spells related cards, some removal, deathrattle related stuff and copy your opponents stuff cards.
Priest only has control. That's it. Whether you have a win condition and you call it combo or not you still have the same game plan with every deck. ALL the other classes have an alternative style. Every class that has/had a control deck also had/has a good aggro deck. Warlock has zoo, mage has tempo, paladin has odd/murlock/silver hand (remember when pala had a control deck?), warrior has pirates, druid has tokens. The ONLY aggresive priest card there is is Shadowbomber.
And because of that if there are better control decks than priest then he is just a bad class cause the only thing he can do is done better by someone else. (which right now is druid and warlock)
Priest was good last year and as Priest main I agree that it was way too much and mirror matches took all day. So having said that it will be a long time before/if ever they are that good again. Shaman hasn't been at the top since Tunnel Trogg days and people still have nightmares over it. Same with Patron warrior
This is Purify situation all over again. I am sure next expansion Blizzard are going to print "Purge : 2 mana spell, destroy your hero and draw a card". They never learn from their mistakes.