In my honest opinion rank does not matter in this game until rank 5-legend. I recently climbed from 25-rank9 and throughout all these ranks the same exact decks are being played :zoo, odd rogue, control. Essentially, rank 9 feels to me exactly like rank 15 same decks same everything . So of course it’s harder to climb with all these tier 1 decks in lower ranks
I agree. I traditionally don't climb that much but I have been more lately and even at 19 I keep coming across T1 net decks. I mean why ladder if it doesn't get harder or easier but everyone is playing the same decks. Ladder will only be worth it for me only if you can't loose levels- stars ya, but once you get a level... that where you're at.
I think it's possible. I find the opponents making plays that obviously were well thought out turns before. Plus it only makes sense, as a game is out for a longer period of time the skill level of players has to increase over time unless complexity is increased. I know I'm a lot better than I was a year ago. Might actually hit legend this month with a pretty good win rate, 77% from rank 19 to 7.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"I realized life is this crazy, mystical thing, and sometimes you just go out like a buster."
In my honest opinion rank does not matter in this game until rank 5-legend. I recently climbed from 25-rank9 and throughout all these ranks the same exact decks are being played :zoo, odd rogue, control. Essentially, rank 9 feels to me exactly like rank 15 same decks same everything . So of course it’s harder to climb with all these tier 1 decks in lower ranks
That’s because everyone are playing the same decks and since most decks are easy to play, it’s hard to differenciate a good player to an average player, especially since the game is so RNG and draw dependant. Trust me though there’s a big difference between rank 15 and 1-2.
I don't know if the skill has increased so much at lower ranks. The problem is ranks all the way back into the 20's are playing top tier decks now. Two years ago people sub rank ten were playing mainly mediocre to bad homebrew decks.
I just recently did a Whizbang climb with my alt and found ranks 20-25 relatively low skill, ranks 15-20 a mix of good and ok, ranks 5-15 pretty good, and haven't gone further. A couple other heuristics I noticed that may be true or may be my personal imagination (disclaimer: I play on US server):
the player base that plays during prime time (5pm-12am EST) tends to be easiest to beat.
the player base that plays after midnight tends to be very skilled and hard to beat.
EU servers seem easier in general, I see people making more misplays.
Asian servers seem the hardest, players put a lot of thought into the game even at rank 25, but also seem to be easily triggered by bad RNG or being countered (on multiple occasions I had players concede after bad luck even when they were still ahead).
When I startet 3 years ago, my target was rank 15. I created decks for my own and played vs other beginners with their decks. Nowadays there are only players with experience and big collection. The missing pieces get crafted for the tier 1 decks. These are "easy" to play and consistent. So the skill gap is smaller. I'd say 80% of matches are decided by match up and draws/mulligan, 20% skill. Additionally you need 5 stars for ranking up.
So yeah, it's much harder. Really good players, which Im not, have maybe more influence, even with bad draws than these guessed 20%
I just recently did a Whizbang climb with my alt and found ranks 20-25 relatively low skill, ranks 15-20 a mix of good and ok, ranks 5-15 pretty good, and haven't gone further. A couple other heuristics I noticed that may be true or may be my personal imagination (disclaimer: I play on US server):
the player base that plays during prime time (5pm-12am EST) tends to be easiest to beat.
the player base that plays after midnight tends to be very skilled and hard to beat.
EU servers seem easier in general, I see people making more misplays.
Asian servers seem the hardest, players put a lot of thought into the game even at rank 25, but also seem to be easily triggered by bad RNG or being countered (on multiple occasions I had players concede after bad luck even when they were still ahead).
Conceding preemptively is a sign of being a bad player IMO.
If you know what you're doing, there's no way you will concede if you're ahead. I even won games I never thought I'd be able to win. Everything can happen in a game of Hearthstone.
I always find the low ranks hard, once I get to rank 10 people all you face are pretty much netdecks so you know what you're facing. Rank 20-10 have people running all sorts of crazy decks, you can't play around those strategies xd
I'm noticing it got harder to climb the lower ranks with this expansion. Does anyone else feel like players have collectively improved at the game?
In my honest opinion rank does not matter in this game until rank 5-legend. I recently climbed from 25-rank9 and throughout all these ranks the same exact decks are being played :zoo, odd rogue, control. Essentially, rank 9 feels to me exactly like rank 15 same decks same everything . So of course it’s harder to climb with all these tier 1 decks in lower ranks
I agree. I traditionally don't climb that much but I have been more lately and even at 19 I keep coming across T1 net decks. I mean why ladder if it doesn't get harder or easier but everyone is playing the same decks. Ladder will only be worth it for me only if you can't loose levels- stars ya, but once you get a level... that where you're at.
I think it's possible. I find the opponents making plays that obviously were well thought out turns before. Plus it only makes sense, as a game is out for a longer period of time the skill level of players has to increase over time unless complexity is increased. I know I'm a lot better than I was a year ago. Might actually hit legend this month with a pretty good win rate, 77% from rank 19 to 7.
"I realized life is this crazy, mystical thing, and sometimes you just go out like a buster."
People get better collections over the years and also keep in mind that now all the ranks need 5 stars.
That’s because everyone are playing the same decks and since most decks are easy to play, it’s hard to differenciate a good player to an average player, especially since the game is so RNG and draw dependant. Trust me though there’s a big difference between rank 15 and 1-2.
I don't know if the skill has increased so much at lower ranks. The problem is ranks all the way back into the 20's are playing top tier decks now. Two years ago people sub rank ten were playing mainly mediocre to bad homebrew decks.
I just recently did a Whizbang climb with my alt and found ranks 20-25 relatively low skill, ranks 15-20 a mix of good and ok, ranks 5-15 pretty good, and haven't gone further. A couple other heuristics I noticed that may be true or may be my personal imagination (disclaimer: I play on US server):
When I startet 3 years ago, my target was rank 15. I created decks for my own and played vs other beginners with their decks. Nowadays there are only players with experience and big collection. The missing pieces get crafted for the tier 1 decks. These are "easy" to play and consistent. So the skill gap is smaller. I'd say 80% of matches are decided by match up and draws/mulligan, 20% skill. Additionally you need 5 stars for ranking up.
So yeah, it's much harder. Really good players, which Im not, have maybe more influence, even with bad draws than these guessed 20%
Conceding preemptively is a sign of being a bad player IMO.
If you know what you're doing, there's no way you will concede if you're ahead. I even won games I never thought I'd be able to win. Everything can happen in a game of Hearthstone.
I always find the low ranks hard, once I get to rank 10 people all you face are pretty much netdecks so you know what you're facing. Rank 20-10 have people running all sorts of crazy decks, you can't play around those strategies xd
https://outof.cards
yeah skill went up to the roof, good observation skills
Dead but dreaming