After the patch, I made a control warrior, looking forward to countering them with infinite armor shudderwocks (yes, infinite, the only restriction is time).
After 3 days, I've only encountered TWO shudderwocks on ladder. Is it just me, or have they gone into hiding?
After the patch, I made a control warrior, looking forward to countering them with infinite armor shudderwocks (yes, infinite, the only restriction is time).
After 3 days, I've only encountered TWO shudderwocks on ladder. Is it just me, or have they gone into hiding?
Shudderwock is a relatively high skilled deck with a relatively low winrate. It feeds on control decks but gets countered by aggro quite easily if not played well. So shudderwock is not very efficient in climbing the ladder by less experienced players. Hence you won't see many shudderwocks on ladder unless you are playing Big Spell Mage or Control Priest.
BTW I don't think your Azalina combo is any good at countering a shudderwock in hands of a skilled player.
After the patch, I made a control warrior, looking forward to countering them with infinite armor shudderwocks (yes, infinite, the only restriction is time).
After 3 days, I've only encountered TWO shudderwocks on ladder. Is it just me, or have they gone into hiding?
Shudderwock is a relatively high skilled deck with a relatively low winrate. It feeds on control decks but gets countered by aggro quite easily if not played well. So shudderwock is not very efficient in climbing the ladder by less experienced players. Hence you won't see many shudderwocks on ladder unless you are playing Big Spell Mage or Control Priest.
BTW I don't think your Azalina combo is any good at countering a shudderwock in hands of a skilled player.
Funniest thing I’ve read today. “Shudderwock is relatively high skilled” lmao.
BTW I don't think your Azalina combo is any good at countering a shudderwock in hands of a skilled player
The Azalina combo is a guarenteed win if drawn first. Shudderwock is a guarenteed win if they draw their combo first and the warrior hasn't drawn theirs. The only skill involved here is drawing as fast as you can to assemble the combo or counter combo first. Check the deck in my signature is you're not sure what the counter-combo is, but it's a 100% counter if set up.
After the patch, I made a control warrior, looking forward to countering them with infinite armor shudderwocks (yes, infinite, the only restriction is time).
After 3 days, I've only encountered TWO shudderwocks on ladder. Is it just me, or have they gone into hiding?
Shudderwock is a relatively high skilled deck with a relatively low winrate. It feeds on control decks but gets countered by aggro quite easily if not played well. So shudderwock is not very efficient in climbing the ladder by less experienced players. Hence you won't see many shudderwocks on ladder unless you are playing Big Spell Mage or Control Priest.
BTW I don't think your Azalina combo is any good at countering a shudderwock in hands of a skilled player.
Funniest thing I’ve read today. “Shudderwock is relatively high skilled” lmao.
Overall win rate for Shudderwock is close to 50%. High legend players pilot the deck with a 60% win rate. So yes, skill obviously is a big factor.
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I’m assuming this is sarcasm, because any decent player, as well as every steamer I’ve watched, says that Shudderfuck Shaman is one of he easiest and most autopilot combo decks the game has seen.
The reason it’s popular is it’s SO INCREDIBLY EASY to pilot and gets wins by simply drawing the cards you need without much thought involved.
Back to OP, It is less common than before, but as long as players want to play autopilot decks it will be around. I hope mechs take off and the meta changes a lot. Decent meta now, but it’s timw for a change for sure.
If by that you mean, you have to put in the brain power to remember what cards you've played already and need to know what cards you need to play still before shudderwock, or take 5 minutes to find a deck tracker to do it for you, then yeah it's kinda high skilled XD
If by high skilled you need to know how to count up to fifteen, then yeah it's high skilled.
If by high skilled you mean you need to have the luck to not queue into aggro since it just about auto wins every other matchup then yeah it's high skilled lol
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I like playing Shudderwock Shaman and while there are some nuances that require skill/knowledge to maximize its WR in certain matchups, it is still a deck that requires average skill to use. Let’s be real, an average player can pilot the deck to legend if they dodge Miracle and Zoo for the most part.
"I’m assuming this is sarcasm, because any decent player, as well as every steamer I’ve watched, says that Shudderfuck Shaman is one of he easiest and most autopilot combo decks the game has seen. "
Yes it's an autopilot against control but not against aggro. You can't just win against aggro by playing your battlecries in random order in the hopes of pulling a large Shudderwock. You'll be dead before turn 7.
I don't from which "steamer" you get your info from, but I trust the opinions of Kibler and Zalae far more than any random guy. More importantly I have played it and I find it far more skill intensive than other meta decks.
"The reason it’s popular is it’s SO INCREDIBLY EASY to pilot and gets wins by simply drawing the cards you need without much thought involved."
It's not remotely as popular as other decks like Zoo, Odd Pally, Even Shaman, Odd Rogue or any random Druid. So by your logic it's more high skilled than these decks, hence "relatively high skilled".
I played as Shudderwock against your deck today and the moment I realized I was facing it, I knew how to counter it. It's actually very easy: just don't play Grumble. The Shaman has time to set-up to play Zola on a Chain Gang and thus play 3 Chain Gang's. Then you just build a board with every Shudderwock, only playing 9 mana Shudderwocks. Thus the Control Warrior can't go infinite because they have to spend 9 mana each turn, leaving 4 Shudderwocks on the board and thus losing to the pressure. They also don't have infinite ways to clear the Shudderwocks so you win most of the time.
If your strategy becomse popular I might even play Baleful Banker to increase the odds of going infinite.
True, that works. I'll be honest, I sat down for a few minutes trying to figure out the flaw in your plan, but indeed, instead of winning through lifedrinker battlecries, you can just win through always just playing a 9 mana 24/24 every turn, copying one to hand at full cost every time. Control warrior can't clear that (maybe once or twice but not turn after turn) or abuse shudderwock at 9 (or 7 with Bring It On!) mana.
Shhhh, don't tell the other shudderwock players. I'm going to continue thinking about if there's a way to counter that.
I played as Shudderwock against your deck today and the moment I realized I was facing it, I knew how to counter it. It's actually very easy: just don't play Grumble. The Shaman has time to set-up to play Zola on a Chain Gang and thus play 3 Chain Gang's. Then you just build a board with every Shudderwock, only playing 9 mana Shudderwocks. Thus the Control Warrior can't go infinite because they have to spend 9 mana each turn, leaving 4 Shudderwocks on the board and thus losing to the pressure. They also don't have infinite ways to clear the Shudderwocks so you win most of the time.
If your strategy becomse popular I might even play Baleful Banker to increase the odds of going infinite.
Figured it out! King Mosh, which is already a decent control warrior tech, can clear all opposing shudderwocks if the battlecry procs after Blood Razor. Some luck involved, but it'll work most of the time. Also, chance goes up if the control warrior plays Dyn-o-matic, which I will play in my boomsday control warrior.
Granted, the game kind of becomes a stalemate until somebody gets a battlecry of the wrong ordering.
After the patch, I made a control warrior, looking forward to countering them with infinite armor shudderwocks (yes, infinite, the only restriction is time).
After 3 days, I've only encountered TWO shudderwocks on ladder. Is it just me, or have they gone into hiding?
Shudderwock is a relatively high skilled deck with a relatively low winrate. It feeds on control decks but gets countered by aggro quite easily if not played well. So shudderwock is not very efficient in climbing the ladder by less experienced players. Hence you won't see many shudderwocks on ladder unless you are playing Big Spell Mage or Control Priest.
BTW I don't think your Azalina combo is any good at countering a shudderwock in hands of a skilled player.
Funniest thing I’ve read today. “Shudderwock is relatively high skilled” lmao.
When played perfectly, it takes a lot of skills. That doesn't mean noobs can't win games with it.
I've seen terrible plays from Shudderwock players.
Funniest thing I’ve read today. “Shudderwock is relatively high skilled” lmao.
I dislike shudderwok as much as the next guy but I hate it when people play the "(insert deck) requires no brain to play" card even more
The more salt elementals like you throw around factually incorrect insults as you do, the more you invalidate the rest of us with logical, justified concerns about the deck
I really don’t understand why people hate on Shudderwock so much. I mean granted, playing against uninteractive decks is annoying, but there have been some WAAAAAAAY more cancerous decks in HS history that don’t get as much hate as Shudderwock Shaman does. As for me, yeah I’ll admit it: I love Shudderwock. I love the flavor, the effect, and the whacky combos you can do with it. Let the salterrinos come.
After the patch, I made a control warrior, looking forward to countering them with infinite armor shudderwocks (yes, infinite, the only restriction is time).
After 3 days, I've only encountered TWO shudderwocks on ladder. Is it just me, or have they gone into hiding?
Nah they are still there. Once you switch to something like BSMage, you will eventually encounter 10 of them in a row :P
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Shudderwock is a relatively high skilled deck with a relatively low winrate. It feeds on control decks but gets countered by aggro quite easily if not played well. So shudderwock is not very efficient in climbing the ladder by less experienced players. Hence you won't see many shudderwocks on ladder unless you are playing Big Spell Mage or Control Priest.
BTW I don't think your Azalina combo is any good at countering a shudderwock in hands of a skilled player.
Funniest thing I’ve read today. “Shudderwock is relatively high skilled” lmao.
The Azalina combo is a guarenteed win if drawn first. Shudderwock is a guarenteed win if they draw their combo first and the warrior hasn't drawn theirs. The only skill involved here is drawing as fast as you can to assemble the combo or counter combo first. Check the deck in my signature is you're not sure what the counter-combo is, but it's a 100% counter if set up.
Overall win rate for Shudderwock is close to 50%. High legend players pilot the deck with a 60% win rate. So yes, skill obviously is a big factor.
Anger is the punishment we give ourselves for someone else's mistake.
I’m assuming this is sarcasm, because any decent player, as well as every steamer I’ve watched, says that Shudderfuck Shaman is one of he easiest and most autopilot combo decks the game has seen.
The reason it’s popular is it’s SO INCREDIBLY EASY to pilot and gets wins by simply drawing the cards you need without much thought involved.
Back to OP, It is less common than before, but as long as players want to play autopilot decks it will be around. I hope mechs take off and the meta changes a lot. Decent meta now, but it’s timw for a change for sure.
“Shudderwock is relatively high skilled”
If by that you mean, you have to put in the brain power to remember what cards you've played already and need to know what cards you need to play still before shudderwock, or take 5 minutes to find a deck tracker to do it for you, then yeah it's kinda high skilled XD
If by high skilled you need to know how to count up to fifteen, then yeah it's high skilled.
If by high skilled you mean you need to have the luck to not queue into aggro since it just about auto wins every other matchup then yeah it's high skilled lol
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Not much skill in shudderwock vs control matchup but vs aggro I'd say there is a high level of skill required to pilot it correctly
I like playing Shudderwock Shaman and while there are some nuances that require skill/knowledge to maximize its WR in certain matchups, it is still a deck that requires average skill to use. Let’s be real, an average player can pilot the deck to legend if they dodge Miracle and Zoo for the most part.
"I’m assuming this is sarcasm, because any decent player, as well as every steamer I’ve watched, says that Shudderfuck Shaman is one of he easiest and most autopilot combo decks the game has seen. "
Yes it's an autopilot against control but not against aggro. You can't just win against aggro by playing your battlecries in random order in the hopes of pulling a large Shudderwock. You'll be dead before turn 7.
I don't from which "steamer" you get your info from, but I trust the opinions of Kibler and Zalae far more than any random guy. More importantly I have played it and I find it far more skill intensive than other meta decks.
"The reason it’s popular is it’s SO INCREDIBLY EASY to pilot and gets wins by simply drawing the cards you need without much thought involved."
It's not remotely as popular as other decks like Zoo, Odd Pally, Even Shaman, Odd Rogue or any random Druid. So by your logic it's more high skilled than these decks, hence "relatively high skilled".
True, that works. I'll be honest, I sat down for a few minutes trying to figure out the flaw in your plan, but indeed, instead of winning through lifedrinker battlecries, you can just win through always just playing a 9 mana 24/24 every turn, copying one to hand at full cost every time. Control warrior can't clear that (maybe once or twice but not turn after turn) or abuse shudderwock at 9 (or 7 with Bring It On!) mana.
Shhhh, don't tell the other shudderwock players. I'm going to continue thinking about if there's a way to counter that.
Figured it out! King Mosh, which is already a decent control warrior tech, can clear all opposing shudderwocks if the battlecry procs after Blood Razor. Some luck involved, but it'll work most of the time. Also, chance goes up if the control warrior plays Dyn-o-matic, which I will play in my boomsday control warrior.
Granted, the game kind of becomes a stalemate until somebody gets a battlecry of the wrong ordering.
When played perfectly, it takes a lot of skills. That doesn't mean noobs can't win games with it.
I've seen terrible plays from Shudderwock players.
I dislike shudderwok as much as the next guy but I hate it when people play the "(insert deck) requires no brain to play" card even more
The more salt elementals like you throw around factually incorrect insults as you do, the more you invalidate the rest of us with logical, justified concerns about the deck
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I really don’t understand why people hate on Shudderwock so much. I mean granted, playing against uninteractive decks is annoying, but there have been some WAAAAAAAY more cancerous decks in HS history that don’t get as much hate as Shudderwock Shaman does. As for me, yeah I’ll admit it: I love Shudderwock. I love the flavor, the effect, and the whacky combos you can do with it. Let the salterrinos come.
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