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I'm sorry, this could be taken as a bit mean spirited but I mean it in the most literal of terms.

If $80 constitutes a "huge paywall" for you, perhaps you have more pressing concerns in your life than the next alternate hero skin. 

Calm down there wannabe badass. There are countries in the world where  $80 is half their monthly income. Even in the western world 80$ are a lot of money for a good portion the population. I know that because because i was one of them as student. Now that i earn twice the average income of my country i can easily afford the bundle even if it had 3 times the price. Your attitude however is the attitude of those who have not worked a single day in their lives OR of those who had everything prepared for them by their parents. If you had faced and overcomed any real adversity by your own you would not be so arrogant.

 

 Having $80 to spend on a game doesn't remotely approach badass.

If $80 represents half your monthly income, I'm sure Blizzard would be the first to admit that you probably shouldn't buy the mega-bundle.  You probably should be dealing with a card game at all, as it seems there are more pressing demands on your time.  Games are leisure activities, and this one requires a computer and constant internet connection, all of which indicates that every player enjoys a certain amount of privilege.

Nevertheless, if you are F2P you are not one of the players that allows the game to continue.  I'm glad that those of us who supply Blizzard with an ongoing incentive to support the game get some cool stuff.  Furthermore, given how some games have gone way too far into pay 2 win mechanics, I'm grateful Blizzard has kept the perspective to keep perks cosmetic while still understanding that incentive to monetize is good.

And no, I'm not facing particular financial adversity at the moment, though $80 is an incredibly low standard by which to judge such things.  If I was, I'd have the sense of purpose to spend my time on more worthwhile endeavors than gaming forums.

 Well not only you missed my point entirely and that's partly my fault, but you did again the same thing i bashed you for in my previous comment. So let me be more clear this time.

You have no right whatsoever to judge or critize those who can't afford the bundle or advise them on how they should or should not use their time.What you did twice is saying with preetier words this:"If you can't afford a pesky 80$, shut your mouth and fuck off. Fix your life before you comment lul" Now let me throw your statement back to you in exaggerated version to make my self even more clear.

"You can't afford a ferrari but you dare comment on slightly poorer f*cks than you?Shut your mouth and open it when you can easily afford the pesky cost of this car, lul"

Not so cool now huh?

Generally people who have faced 0 adversity whatsoever (not only financial) are the ones who have this attitude. "Are you sick?,Get well","Are you poor? Get rich" But when the shit hit the fan, they are the first to break and cry like b'tches. 

Now i don't claim that you are such a person because i can not judge on you by just two comments. I am just saying this is impression your comments have given me.I will be more than willing to apologise if i am wrong.

Why isn't this top comment yet?!!

The guy even mentioned that last expansion it was the GREAT Deal with 70 packs for 50, but now he is unhappy with a golden legendary instead of 20 Packs? You DON'T HAVE TO LOOK TO THE RIGHT, just buy your 50 packs and be happy! And let the others spend more money for smiliar value!!!!

 

(His comment should actually be in /choosingbeggars...)

Finally someone saying the truth, well said Dr_Scaphandre.

 

Another complaint post by Dr_Scaphandre (don't take it as an insult, just a track record kinda shows that it's not the first time). Looking at comments I realized how toxic this whole discussion is. I'll try to synthesize my thoughts, maybe it will resonate with some people.

Although I do agree with some of the things the guy says, I would probably disagree in general. Yes, the mega-bundle goes too far but why shouldn't Blizzard do that? In terms of skin: it's alright to have if you are a completionist and you really care about having some aspect of your collection as complete as possible. For those people, I'd say: go for it and buy it. All the other skins (except for 3 that are purchasable) are/were available for free if you care so much about having more of them, take $80 and give it to Blizzard.

'Nemsy was such a big deal for people'. Firstly I didn't give a shit about Nemsy, so did the MAJORITY of people that play the game. But yeah, quite a few people went on a mayhem because of the skin, as it is free and it's pretty exciting, partly, because it is free. Is it essential for the game? No. So isn't Mecha-Jaraxxus. Yeah, $80 cap on the playable character is really high. Though, if it's not essential and it doesn't affect gameplay, why bother? 

It comes to an argument that the game is becoming less free-to-play/new player friendly. Sadly it is and I would love if Blizzard could fix this aspect (which they are kinda fixing a little by giving free packs, legendaries, having the special quest promos and etc.) but it is understandable that they want to get as much cash as possible. Has it always been that way? The short answer is yes. Previously when the no-duplicate legendary rule was not in place and promotions were not there it has been much worse. I've seen people who have a lot of decks and did not spend a penny on the game but they play a lot of it.

I do agree that the pre-order culture is stupid but only when it comes to the games and not expansions. It's kinda different. If you pre-order a game that you have no idea about then it's pretty risky. At the same time if you pre-ordered an expansion last time and didn't like it, then why not postponing it now until an expansion is released and taking a decision on investing real money afterward? Yes, you'll lose like $10 compared to the pre-order but it's not the end of the world for the majority of people. 

Now coming to 'if you give Blizzard money for the mega bundle, you're part of the problem' mentality. Is there really a way to fix it? Let's think about it. People are hyped up (and Blizzard is pretty good at doing that tbh). It's not gonna be the case that 50% of people will not buy pre-order (a majority of people that are complaining about pre-bundles are not buying them anyway). If 5% fewer people will buy the pre-order, then they will just set a slightly lower price next time and that's it. This 5 % is likely to come back on board next time.

Should Blizzard really prioritize people who don't give them money to ones that do give them money? Absolutely not: that's not how business works. Blizzard delivers really high-quality games and it is run like a profitable business. Is it wrong? No, it's not. There is a market for almost no investment games out there. Why not try to play them? If you really like playing HS, then you are probably playing a lot of it and you likely not spend a lot of money on it because of it. 

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Im kinda confused what is the issue here. Why do free to play players feel entitled to have everything in the game? People who support the devs with the 80$ purchase get rewarded with a cosmetics feature. The cosmetics have no effect on the game, so people who dont get it are in no disadvantage at all. If this was a card like Lich King only available from this, I would understand the outrage.

I will most likely get both these preorders, so Im probably one of the stupid people buying lootboxes. I will rather work one Saturday extra to buy these preorders rather than grind 4 months and get not even the same value.

But I agree with people saying he should be available with both preorders and the 80$ one should offer 100 packs instead.

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So there's been a lot of the same comments in this thread just boggle my mind. There are people actually defending this awful bundle. So I'm gonna address every frequent comment that I've been seeing.

• It's a good deal! 80 packs for $80!

First of all, it's asinine to even preorder loot boxes to begin with, but on face value, $80 for 80 packs does sound good when usually the preorders are 50 packs for $50. However, all that became null and void when the Witchwood came out. Witchwood's preorder wasn't the usual 50 packs for $50, it was 70 packs! The moment they did that bundle, a bundle a lot of people loved might I add, it makes the other preorder bundles look like shit in comparison.

Not only that, but $80 for what is ultimately a preorder for loot boxes is absurd. You know what could be done with $80? You could get a shitload of Steam games, games that are not on sale, right now, and still have money left over. You could get two $40 Nintendo Switch games. Ultimately, $80 for 80 packs is pretty crazy. 100 packs or more would've been better, or maybe include some more Golden Legendaries. Speaking of...

• But you get a Golden Legendary in the Mega Bundle, which becomes any Legendary you want!

You also get one in the normal $50 preorder as well, making that part of the bundle ultimately irrelevant.

• The hero portrait is ugly anyway!

Okay, what does that have to do with it? That's pretty subjective.

• You're not entitled to the hero portrait anyway!

Ah yes, the classic "entitled" argument. The ultimate strawman of any shill when they can't think of any else to say. 

• Who cares? It's just cosmetic

Then why do Casinowatch loot boxes sell like hotcakes? Why did people make a big deal about Nemsy? Guess it's not "just cosmetic" or else people wouldn't give a shit about them. Cosmetics are fun, they let people look differently, and that's why people like them. But besides, that, is for the past two years we were getting this shit for free. When the $10 hero portraits weren't selling, Actiblizz gave them out for free instead as rewards, and people really liked that. Now we have a hero portrait that is locked behind a limited time $80 preorder paywall, so once the preorder is gone that hero portrait cannot be earned anymore. They know people really want Mecha-Jaraxxus since Jaraxxus is one of the most popular Hearthstone characters, and people want Warlock portraits, so they made him a preorder incentive. GET HIM BEFORE HE'S GONE FOREVER!

The argument ultimately is more about the fact the hero portrait is locked to the $80 preorder. I could make the argument all day that it's a waste to preorder loot boxes and how the Mega Bundle is not so Mega, but the fact of the matter is a hero portrait is locked behind a steep preorder paywall. Why is that a big deal? Because we've been getting them for free for the past two years, and if people buy this (Which most likely they will judging from the comments I'm seeing here and on Reddit) then ActiBlizz will start doing more of these "Mega Bundles." Hero portraits will become locked to preorders and we won't get them for free anymore, for these bundles will make so much money, and because people didn't stop and say "no."

I agree with you that the $80 bundle is awful, but ONLY because the majority of the emotes are repurposed parts of the Lord Jaraxxus minion. There are very few differences with the emotes between when you're the Lord and when you're the Mech. However, the extra $30 you're spending does allow for you to maintain the total amount you're saving on each individual pack. Not to mention, pity timers for Legendaries will get pinged down on the constant when the total you're opening is as high as 80-130 (you can order both bundles).

Again, goes back to what I said about the Witchwood. We got 70 packs for $50. That changes everything now that we have a different kind of bundle now, a better bundle in the expansion prior. But again, it goes back to what I said earlier: You're preordering fucking loot boxes. The so called return value is very minimal in the grand scheme of things, and we have no idea how the expansion is gonna turn out. People preordered Grand Tournament, and that expansion sucked balls, same with Witchwood since most of the cards are terrible. You're buying into something you know nothing about and supporting a terrible business practice. You need to stop it. You really do.

Card packs vs. Buying games through Steam or for your console

You can easily get tired of the games you purchase.

You have got to be fucking kidding me. You're really going to use that strawman? You can get tired of literally anything you buy, not exclusive to games. But I would think $80 for a bunch of video games would be a much better deal than $80 on loot boxes where you're not guaranteed anything good from them.

With cards and card packs, you can't even play some of the decks you want to make without certain cards. The difference? Buying card packs helps you actually play the game more, and if you're going to be dedicated to this game, having more cards means you have more game.

The chances for epics and legendaries are very small, and on average 50-80 cardpacks will get you about five or seven legendaries, IF you're lucky. But with how every expansion has two class legendaries now you need so much just to stay ahead and play the big decks due to a lot of cards now in Wild.

But you won't acknowledge this side of it because it doesn't work for you, just like how you haven't acknowledged any of the positives of these bundles. Positivity doesn't work when you're trying to spin something negatively.

Again, preordering loot boxes, which F2Ps don't even do. And again, goes back to what I said about this game being too expensive now.

Golden Legendary in the Mega Bundle

Yes, it's true, you get one in the MB, but you also get one if you spend $30 less.

Literally what I said.

People are drawn to Mecha Jaraxxus for the same reason you are. However, you still would like to null and void Blizzardvision's attempt at giving customers a little more for spending a little more.

I wouldn't call a hero portrait a reward for "spending a little more" when the original three cost $10, and again, we have been getting this shit for free. By that logic, why isn't M-J in the regular preorder? The cardback is, but not the hero itself.

You made a statement concerning how M-J is an alternate Hero we'd never see again. You don't know this for a fact, so stop promoting it as such.

Where's Khadgar then? Where's Tyrande? Both of these were limited time heroes exclusive to something. Khadgar was exclusive to purchase for iOS users for the Apps for Earth charity. People were pissed about that. Blizzard promised he would return. To this day, he has yet to return at all, only appearing as a reward for Chinese players.

Tyrande, a reward for Twitch Prime users. Very few players could actually get her, leaving the majority of Hearthstone players in the dust. She has only appeared one time, and again, for China.

Blizzard themselves even said they have no plans to make Mecha-Jaraxxus available another way. They don't bring hero portraits back, and they won't bring M-J back.

Entitlement

You don't need Mecha Jaraxxus to play as Warlock.

Neither did you need Nemsy, but people still bitched about her, and rightfully so. People want Warlock portraits. It is what it is.

You are trying to argue that Blizzard's way is wrong because it's hard for you to get the alternate Hero.

Well I am the consumer. The customer is always right.

Blizzard has to monetize their game wherever they can. Not going to say this is the right way to do it, but you come across as entitled with a lot of this post by telling people Blizzard should do things your way and make something that they made special for the upcoming expansion more accessible.

You see, I get this argument from Blizzshills all the time. They try to make these bad deals out to be a good thing, and try to silence any and all criticism. They've done it with Casinowatch's loot boxes, they've done it with Diablo 3 and what a dumpster fire that game was, and they're doing what you're doing now. You're literally proving my point right.

If you like this game enough that you want unnecessary additions, you support Blizzard in their effort to bring more content by spending money or getting a code from someone that has a few codes lying around, like a streamer. They don't need to make M-J more accessible just because you want them to. This is why people are calling you entitled. You are not owed an easier method of getting M-J.

Again, I'm the consumer. You're the consumer. Everyone on Hearthpwn is the consumer. We're the ones who buy the product, so when we see something that isn't right, we complain about it and not buy it. When hero portraits were first announced, they were $10. The consumer thought that was outrageous to pay $10 for a gif (and rightfully so.) So all future hero portraits from then on were free, offered as rewards for doing quest like things, and people really enjoyed that. But now, we got a portrait that isn't free, and ultimately costs $80. (Before you say "but you also get cardpacks and a legendary" do you think people care? They just want Jaraxxus, plain and simple. They don't care about that other shit.)

Look at it another way: Remember Call of Duty Modern Warfare Remastered? ActiBlizz originally locked the CoD4 remake behind a $80 paywall as well. Had to buy the deluxe version of Infinite Warfare, a game they didn't want, just to get the game they wanted. Why should you pay $80 on something you don't want, just to get something you do want? That's why it's bullshit Jaraxxus is locked to this preorder. But moreso then that, is the fact we used to get shit like this for free!

The Cosmetic Argument

In your own post, you ask and answer your own question. "Then why do Casinowatch loot boxes sell like hotcakes? Cosmetics are fun, they let people look differently, and that's why people like them." They are fun, but they are NOT required for you to play.

And again, why do loot boxes sell so well then? OW players obsess over skins. TF2 players obsess over skins. CSGO players obsess over skins. They aren't required to play, but so many people still give a shit about them though, a big shit.

I mentioned before and I'll mention again, M-J's emotes are almost 100% repurposed emotes from the Lord Jaraxxus minion card. It's not worth it in my opinion.

I wouldn't really call these lines repurposed. They sound pretty original to me. But hey, what do I know? After all according to you, I'm entitled. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Again, you don't know for certain that it's exclusive to this bundle, so stop telling people it is.

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I'm getting really fucking tired of repeating myself.

I will say, it makes sense that these bundles are being rolled out, what with Activision getting involved. My friend and I had a conversation about this pairing, with Activision getting involved. Part of the reason Activision is partnered with Blizzard is because Blizzard isn't doing the best financially.

Blizzard was doing just fine before the Activision merger. They owned WoW, made Warcraft III, and had Starcraft Brood War and were working on Starcraft II. The Activision merger completely changed how Blizzard behaved as a company, and it's why all their talent is now gone.

When a company partners with another company, it has a lot to do with the money side of things. Partnerships only happen when one company needs hand from another in order to be pulled from the depths and avoid drowning. This is just another attempt at a COMPANY trying to make MONEY, which is what companies try to do in order to stay alive.

They're making billions from this game, and Casinowatch. I think they're doing just fine. This $80 bundle just comes off as greedy, just like how there's three expansions now. Gotta milk those pack sales before Artifact and Gwent 1.0 show up.

I expect you to cower like you have and keep away from responding to this response. Place your bets, people.

Nice to see you again.

You need to stop it. You really do.

Are you sure about that? People have up until before the expansion drops to pre-order. It's been like this for the longest time, and people have been pre-ordering bundles since bundles became a thing. It's up to the consumer to decide if it's a good idea to pre-order or not. There's a window of time for a reason, of course. It does seem absurd to pre-order before everything is revealed, but there's not a whole lot wrong with it. Sure, it could set a bad precedent, but it doesn't always mean it works out like that.

Well I mean, it kinda has for now there's two preorder bundles at ludicrous prices, and a hero portrait is locked to the most expensive one. The thing is, when you preorder, you're locked in. It's very rare that you will actually cancel your preorder for you set in motion a plan, and to deviate from that plan is something that in your mind you don't wanna do. That's why it's better to not preorder at all, so you don't have that thought in mind.

You have got to be fucking kidding me. You're really going to use that strawman? You can get tired of literally anything you buy, not exclusive to games. But I would think $80 for a bunch of video games would be a much better deal than $80 on loot boxes where you're not guaranteed anything good from them.

The chances for epics and legendaries are very small, and on average 50-80 cardpacks will get you about five or seven legendaries, IF you're lucky. But with how every expansion has two class legendaries now you need so much just to stay ahead and play the big decks due to a lot of cards now in Wild.

That silly ol' buzzword again, "strawman". I present an opinion, then you present an opinion. That's how many conversations work. Welcome to the internet.

Pre-ordering/spending $80 on cards for a game is how card games have been for the longest time. I have to wonder, what card game did you start with, and when did you forget that spending money on cards meant you can continue to play that card game? Packs of cards have been notorious for being a gamble. It's always been a gamble, whether it be physical or digital. This is not a new thing. I remember reading in the newspaper when I was younger about how kids were beating each other within an inch of their life in school bathrooms over Pokemon cards. Valuable cards are hard to get. That's just how it is, and Hearthstone is no stranger.

Again, preordering loot boxes, which F2Ps don't even do. And again, goes back to what I said about this game being too expensive now.

People enjoy opening packs. That's part of the reason the pre-orders happen.

No, people enjoy opening packs because that's the main hook of loot boxes. Cardpacks, like other loot boxes, trigger dopamine in the brain because of that excitement of opening one and thinking "this time. This time I get a legendary." When you don't get one, you wanna just keep opening until you do see that orange light. It's an addiction, which is why it's gambling.

This game, just like MTG, will be next to impossible to make affordable. That's how card games are. With Hearthstone, you either make gold or buy packs. With MTG, you buy packs or singles. Consider yourself lucky this isn't MTG.

In Magic you can trade cards you get in packs to get cards you need. Can't do that here. The dust return value you get is pathetic. Gotta dust four legendaries just to get one.

Not to mention Magic has whole decks you can buy, so any newcomer and instantly get into the current meta. Can't do that here since ActiBlizz gives newcomers fuckall.

I wouldn't call a hero portrait a reward for "spending a little more" when the original three cost $10, and again, we have been getting this shit for free. By that logic, why isn't M-J in the regular preorder? The cardback is, but not the hero itself.

You wouldn't call a Hero portrait a reward for spending a little more?

Well seeing as we used to get them for free and the only way to get this portrait is to spend $80, no I do not, and it's farcical to even think it's a reward for spending more. That's the fallacy you and other Blizzdrones think about: You think these bundles are rewards when in reality it's gating content that should've been free because again: This is shit we used to get for free.

What would you call the tier list rewards for donating a little more to a crowdfunded project? Same deal just about. It depends on how you look at getting to spend $30 more to save money on packs and getting M-J as a bonus. It's called an incentive for a reason.

Okay 1. You're comparing apples to oranges. Preorders are not the same as crowdfunded projects. In crowdfunded projects you're an unofficial investor in a product that may never come out, and those tiers are stretch goals for the project that has not been planned out that tries to get investors to invest more into the project to make those features a reality. Key thing: None of this is completed.

2. That's not a bonus. Not even close. It's locking completed content that again: WE. USED. TO. GET. FOR. FREE.

Where's Khadgar then? Where's Tyrande? Both of these were limited time heroes exclusive to something. Khadgar was exclusive to purchase for iOS users for the Apps for Earth charity. People were pissed about that. Blizzard promised he would return. To this day, he has yet to return at all, only appearing as a reward for Chinese players.

Tyrande, a reward for Twitch Prime users. Very few players could actually get her, leaving the majority of Hearthstone players in the dust. She has only appeared one time, and again, for China.

Blizzard themselves even said they have no plans to make Mecha-Jaraxxus available another way. They don't bring hero portraits back, and they won't bring M-J back.

They've shown us that they're willing to bring alternate Heroes back. You've presented enough for us to have knowledge of this.

Where did Blizzard state they wouldn't make M-J available again? If I had seen that detail before, I wouldn't have mentioned twice that you don't know for sure. A link would be really handy.

THEY. ONLY. BROUGHT. THEM. BACK. FOR. CHINA.

Neither did you need Nemsy, but people still bitched about her, and rightfully so. People want Warlock portraits. It is what it is.

I don't have any of the alternate Heroes but a few of the free ones. I don't care about them. I can still play the game with no issue without them, and so can you. And yeah, it was a pain in the ass to get some of the alternate Heroes, but people did what they needed to get them, pain or not. Just like then, they'll do it now with M-J if they care enough.

Good for you, but honestly the majority of other people prefer the alternate heroes, and like I said multiple times, we used to get them for free.

Well I am the consumer. The customer is always right.

This is why people kill themselves from work related stress. People like you think you're right because you have money. Money doesn't make someone correct. How very naive of you...

Your shill side is showing.

You see, I get this argument from Blizzshills all the time. They try to make these bad deals out to be a good thing, and try to silence any and all criticism. They've done it with Casinowatch's loot boxes, they've done it with Diablo 3 and what a dumpster fire that game was, and they're doing what you're doing now. You're literally proving my point right.

I can tell you didn't read my first response to you. God, you're lazy.

I replied to it mang.

Not a shill. I don't care about Blizzard much. I just like their card game. I don't play their other games, and don't care to support them except with the occasional Hearthstone thing or two.

And you're defending the locking of M-J hard.

Trying to silence you? No, my friend. I've been sticking here with you to talk to you more about this, whether you like it or not. I have no intentions of seeing you silenced. I'm merely addressing your one-sided view of things at every step, holding you to scrutiny wherever possible as you have been with us, and conceding to points that I can't help but agree with. Don't underestimate your company.

Your scrutiny is moreso shilling as you're hellbent on defending this awful bundle. 

Again, I'm the consumer. You're the consumer. Everyone on Hearthpwn is the consumer. We're the ones who buy the product, so when we see something that isn't right, we complain about it and not buy it. When hero portraits were first announced, they were $10. The consumer thought that was outrageous to pay $10 for a gif (and rightfully so.) So all future hero portraits from then on were free, offered as rewards for doing quest like things, and people really enjoyed that. But now, we got a portrait that isn't free, and ultimately costs $80. (Before you say "but you also get cardpacks and a legendary" do you think people care? They just want Jaraxxus, plain and simple. They don't care about that other shit.)

Look at it another way: Remember Call of Duty Modern Warfare Remastered? ActiBlizz originally locked the CoD4 remake behind a $80 paywall as well. Had to buy the deluxe version of Infinite Warfare, a game they didn't want, just to get the game they wanted. Why should you pay $80 on something you don't want, just to get something you do want? That's why it's bullshit Jaraxxus is locked to this preorder. But moreso then that, is the fact we used to get shit like this for free!

Not all Heroes beyond the first three have been free. Delusions about, oh boy, oh joy.

Uhh, yes all the heroes beyond the first three (and Khadgar) were free, even Tyrande.

Lady Liadrin: Just reach level 20 in WoW with a new character. You can get this for free using a Starter Edition.

Morgl: Recruit a friend. (You can make a smurf account to do this.)

Maiev: Was a quest reward for Year of the Mammoth

Arthas: Beat the Lich King with all nine classes.

Tyrande: Twitch Prime reward (Amazon gives free trials so again, this was free too.)

Nemsy: Attend an established Fireside Gathering. (Or just use NoxPlayer like everyone else did.)

Lunara: Year of the Raven quest reward

So yeah, all the heroes except for the first three (And Khadgar because he was for charity) were free. And now suddenly we've gone back to paid heroes since Mecha-Jaraxxus is locked to a $80 cardpack preorder paywall.

As I've mentioned before, I don't care for Jaraxxus and I'd still pick up both bundles, just because I could.

See the OP for that.

I mentioned how pity timers are also continually pinged by people opening packs. You can get more by spending more.

Common loot box defense tactic.

I love this card game. If I can get packs at reduced prices, why not? I don't care for the card back or the alternate Hero. I just want packs, m'dude. People don't just care about M-J, and people aren't spending $80 for solely that reason. It's silly to ignore reduced pack prices in bulk to further push this idea of yours.

Well I mean, the main argument was because it was shitty that a hero portrait is locked to a $80 preorder paywall, and ultimately how $80 more is pretty steep for a preorder when the only benefit is 30 more packs, but hey you've already made up your mind.

Even though some of the content has been free, you shouldn't expect all content to be free.You shouldn't lead yourself to believe things will always be the same. It brings disappointment.

Actually yes I can when the content has been free for TWO YEARS. They tried paid heroes, people didn't like them, so they made them rewards for doing Blizzard themed quests instead, and people were happy.

I do agree, M-J should've been something you could earn. Can't argue with you on that.

Then don't preorder the Mega Bundle. You preorder, and ActiBlizz will do more of these bundles where they lock hero portraits to expensive ass preorders.

And again, why do loot boxes sell so well then? OW players obsess over skins. TF2 players obsess over skins. CSGO players obsess over skins. They aren't required to play, but so many people still give a shit about them though, a big shit.

The desire for cosmetics is part of human nature. Whether or not you fully embrace/repress that part of yourself, it doesn't justify forcing Blizzard to change the attempt they're making here. Using desire as reasoning to make M-J easier to obtain signifies heavily that you are, in fact, entitled.

• "Yeah people do care about cosmetics, yeah I agree he should've been something you could earn, but you're entitled for wanting him to be obtainable easier."

 

I wouldn't really call these lines repurposed. They sound pretty original to me. But hey, what do I know? After all according to you, I'm entitled. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Referencing the fact that I call you entitled has no relevance regarding repurposed voice lines. I've listened to the voice lines. Streamer and Youtuber Savjz uploaded gameplay with the Hero enabled. Most of the lines are repurposed.

Hey, if new voicelines that are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM OG JARAXXUS'S VOICE LINES are repurposing to you, then I'm sorry man.

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I'm getting really fucking tired of repeating myself.

OH, there's a link. I asked for one earlier. Ignore that request. If this is it, cool. Thank you for that. Also, if you get "really fucking tired of repeating" yourself, maybe don't address the same thing twice? You're making this harder on yourself than you need to.

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Blizzard was doing just fine before the Activision merger. They owned WoW, made Warcraft III, and had Starcraft Brood War and were working on Starcraft II. The Activision merger completely changed how Blizzard behaved as a company, and it's why all their talent is now gone.

They're making billions from this game, and Casinowatch. I think they're doing just fine. This $80 bundle just comes off as greedy, just like how there's three expansions now. Gotta milk those pack sales before Artifact and Gwent 1.0 show up.

You do know it costs a lot to run servers, right? With as many games as they have, the many regions, all the data, upkeep costs more than you might know. Unless you've been on the inside of a business meeting, you can't expect to speak as though you've seen their quarterly reports. "You need to stop it. You really do."

They're not a small indie company, they're a multi-billion dollar conglomerate. They make billions a month from loot box sales alone just from Overwatch. I think they'll be fine.

Anyway, it's nice to see you come out of hiding finally. I challenged you to come out because you haven't really been responding at all.

I was never in hiding, but hey. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You've been running around and hitting up comments with upvotes.

I mean, don't we all?

Managed to even put an edit out there to your first comment here. Was waiting for you to address some of us.

I mean, I shouldn't have to respond to every reply made to me, only the big ones. (Or if I get bored.) But repeatedly I'll make edits of frequent comments.

I await your return, unless you want to silence yourself to try looking like more of a victim.

Well there's a new set of comments in the OP waiting for ya.

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They’re gonna milk this game as much as possible until Artifact and Gwent 1.0 comes out aren’t they? It was bad enough that they were charging $50 to preorder loot boxes, but now there’s a second preorder option, the Mega Bundle.

For those who don’t know, the regular preorder bundle is $50, and comes with 50 cardpacks, the Mecha-Jaraxxus cardback, and a free golden legendary card.

Now the Mega Bundle on the other hand is $80! What do you get for 80? You still get the cardback and golden legendary, but instead of 50 cardpacks you get 80, as well as an alternate Warlock hero portrait: Mecha-Jaraxxus.

That’s it. That’s all you get. For $30 more dollars you get a few more glorified loot boxes and a skin. $80 for a hero portrait, and it’s one that the majority of people will want too. This is beyond ridiculous. For two years they have been offering hero portraits for free where we had to do something to get them, like play WoW, or go to a Fireside Gathering, or beat Frozen Throne. They were all great. But now, they’ve locked a skin of a very popular character behind a $80 preorder paywall, that once the expansion launches you can’t get it anymore. They also said there are no plans to rerelease Mecha-Jaraxxus, so anyone who wanted to get that skin are out of luck.

I cannot fathom how ludicrous this is. $80 and all they’re offering is a skin, a skin that is highly popular. I know why they did it too, because they know people love Jaraxxus so they made him an expensive preorder bonus.

I beg you, do not buy this Mega Bundle. Vote with your wallet. Show ActiBlizz this is too far and horribly anti-consumer.

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So there's been a lot of the same comments in this thread just boggle my mind. There are people actually defending this awful bundle. So I'm gonna address every frequent comment that I've been seeing.

• It's a good deal! 80 packs for $80!

First of all, it's asinine to even preorder loot boxes to begin with, but on face value, $80 for 80 packs does sound good when usually the preorders are 50 packs for $50. However, all that became null and void when the Witchwood came out. Witchwood's preorder wasn't the usual 50 packs for $50, it was 70 packs! The moment they did that bundle, a bundle a lot of people loved might I add, it makes the other preorder bundles look like shit in comparison.

Not only that, but $80 for what is ultimately a preorder for loot boxes is absurd. You know what could be done with $80? You could get a shitload of Steam games, games that are not on sale, right now, and still have money left over. You could get two $40 Nintendo Switch games. Ultimately, $80 for 80 packs is pretty crazy. 100 packs or more would've been better, or maybe include some more Golden Legendaries. Speaking of...

• But you get a Golden Legendary in the Mega Bundle, which becomes any Legendary you want!

You also get one in the normal $50 preorder as well, making that part of the bundle ultimately irrelevant.

• The hero portrait is ugly anyway!

Okay, what does that have to do with it? That's pretty subjective.

• You're not entitled to the hero portrait anyway!

Ah yes, the classic "entitled" argument. The ultimate strawman of any shill when they can't think of any else to say. 

• Who cares? It's just cosmetic

Then why do Casinowatch loot boxes sell like hotcakes? Why did people make a big deal about Nemsy? Guess it's not "just cosmetic" or else people wouldn't give a shit about them. Cosmetics are fun, they let people look differently, and that's why people like them. But besides, that, is for the past two years we were getting this shit for free. When the $10 hero portraits weren't selling, Actiblizz gave them out for free instead as rewards, and people really liked that. Now we have a hero portrait that is locked behind a limited time $80 preorder paywall, so once the preorder is gone that hero portrait cannot be earned anymore. They know people really want Mecha-Jaraxxus since Jaraxxus is one of the most popular Hearthstone characters, and people want Warlock portraits, so they made him a preorder incentive. GET HIM BEFORE HE'S GONE FOREVER!

The argument ultimately is more about the fact the hero portrait is locked to the $80 preorder. I could make the argument all day that it's a waste to preorder loot boxes and how the Mega Bundle is not so Mega, but the fact of the matter is a hero portrait is locked behind a steep preorder paywall. Why is that a big deal? Because we've been getting them for free for the past two years, and if people buy this (Which most likely they will judging from the comments I'm seeing here and on Reddit) then ActiBlizz will start doing more of these "Mega Bundles." Hero portraits will become locked to preorders and we won't get them for free anymore, for these bundles will make so much money, and because people didn't stop and say "no."

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Here we go again...

• But you can buy both the Mega Bundle and regular preorder and get TWO Golden Legendaries!

...do you even understand how absurd your comment is? You’re spending $130 to  preorder loot boxes twice. What the fuck is wrong with you?

• OP stop bitching and get a job! Who can’t afford $80?

Money is not an issue I assure you. It’s not about who has the money to buy the bundle. It’s about a sense of worth. Myself and many others personally don’t find the Mega Bundle worth $80, especially since they’re locking a hero portrait to it when we used to get them for free.

• Well I’m gonna buy it anyway

And these were the comments I were looking for. The comments who support the toxicity of preorder culture without giving it a second thought, then bitch when they get terrible legendaries. These are the true Blizzshills, the ones who are loyal to the brand and will defend it tooth and nail. And the funny thing is they’re paying to be shills, trying to make their ludicrous investment worth it. I suggest you watch this video by the late Totalbiscuit on why preordering (even if it offers a slightly better deal) is always a terrible idea.

 

 You know what could be done with $80? 

Yeah, it would have paid for a little over half of my bar tab from last weekend. 

 

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I'm more bothered by the fact that they're releasing Goblins vs Gnomes 2.0...

Are they already out of ideas? Hearthstone was such a good idea but it has been squandered, particularily with all the lousy expansions and adventures. There has only been one good expansion, Un'Goro, but it was far from perfect. Why do I even bother any more, Hearthstone will never realize its full potential or even close to it

 I actually like the idea of GvG 2.0. In fact, it would be nice if Blizzard uses it as a segway to re-instate GvG into standard as a 3rd expansion. This way players who started recently get a chance to play with old expansions and start building a wild deck and older players can have a breather in terms of spending on the game (similar to the adventures of before). And keeping it as a 3rd expansion would make the period of time they're in standard short enough to avoid boring the veterans. As an added benefit, Blizzard could use this as an opportunity to beef up old expansions/mechanics that are too weak to work in wild such as C'Thun.

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Off topic observation: Why isn't Omega Defender a mech?

The same reason Iron Man isn't a robot. Look at the card a little closer.

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 Alternatively, don't buy it b/c it's just a cosmetic skin...

 Did you miss the part where I mentioned it was a cosmetic skin that people actually really want? It's for Warlock, and it's Jaraxxus as a cyborg. They knew Jaraxxus was a popular character, hence why they locked him behind a preorder paywall instead of letting us unlock him a different way, which is odd since we got Arthas as a free unlock.

 OH fucking stop.  All you are doing are dropping buzzwords like fucking "lootboxes" and "pre-order" but doing it entirely out of the context of their original meaning.  You are being so damn dishonest right now it hurts.  We aren't "pre-ordering" some complete unknown.  It's hearthstone, we generally know what we are going to get.  We know what the game play is like and we know we like it.  "Lootboxes" are a perfectly fine mechanic to have in a FTP game where literally everything is earn-able by playing the game.  

Also stop with the fucking name calling of anyone who pre-orders.  It's underhanded shitty tactic that belies the truth behind your post.  You don't give two shits about the pre-order controversy or loot boxes or any of that BS.  You just want someone to shit on but make it look like you are taking the highroad.  You like to call us schills because we support a game we love to play?  Because we are willing to take advantage of pre-orders that give us more than we generally get?  

To clarify something here, I am not here defending Blizzard, I don't need to defend them from you.  I am here specifically to tell you you are as dishonest as you claim blizzard is with these shit posts that misrepresent, and demean anyone who doesn't see your point of view.

This, 100%. OP has been abusive for almost the full length of this thread. He demeans others and ignores looking at this realistically just to act like a shitty child. I've tried to keep a great amount of the things I've written here free of insult, because I want to talk about this properly. He's even gone out of his way to lie to people about how Mecha Jaraxxus will only ever see availability with the Mega Bundle. Even though I've agreed with him several times on things like how I think M-J should be something you can earn, he still keeps from acting appropriately. He's like a Vegan Social Justice Warrior, using buzzwords and insulting people if they aren't 100% on board with his absolute nonsense.

OP is unrealistic, and while a few things he's said, I'm on board with, the abuse is unnecessary. The fact that all he has is insult and intentional manipulation with much of what he says should be evident that he doesn't care about this conversation and only wants to be viewed as correct in this conversation.

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I'm sorry, this could be taken as a bit mean spirited but I mean it in the most literal of terms.

If $80 constitutes a "huge paywall" for you, perhaps you have more pressing concerns in your life than the next alternate hero skin. 

Calm down there wannabe badass. There are countries in the world where  $80 is half their monthly income. Even in the western world 80$ are a lot of money for a good portion the population. I know that because because i was one of them as student. Now that i earn twice the average income of my country i can easily afford the bundle even if it had 3 times the price. Your attitude however is the attitude of those who have not worked a single day in their lives OR of those who had everything prepared for them by their parents. If you had faced and overcomed any real adversity by your own you would not be so arrogant.

 

 Having $80 to spend on a game doesn't remotely approach badass.

If $80 represents half your monthly income, I'm sure Blizzard would be the first to admit that you probably shouldn't buy the mega-bundle.  You probably should be dealing with a card game at all, as it seems there are more pressing demands on your time.  Games are leisure activities, and this one requires a computer and constant internet connection, all of which indicates that every player enjoys a certain amount of privilege.

Nevertheless, if you are F2P you are not one of the players that allows the game to continue.  I'm glad that those of us who supply Blizzard with an ongoing incentive to support the game get some cool stuff.  Furthermore, given how some games have gone way too far into pay 2 win mechanics, I'm grateful Blizzard has kept the perspective to keep perks cosmetic while still understanding that incentive to monetize is good.

And no, I'm not facing particular financial adversity at the moment, though $80 is an incredibly low standard by which to judge such things.  If I was, I'd have the sense of purpose to spend my time on more worthwhile endeavors than gaming forums.

 Well not only you missed my point entirely and that's partly my fault, but you did again the same thing i bashed you for in my previous comment. So let me be more clear this time.

You have no right whatsoever to judge or critize those who can't afford the bundle or advise them on how they should or should not use their time.What you did twice is saying with preetier words this:"If you can't afford a pesky 80$, shut your mouth and fuck off. Fix your life before you comment lul" Now let me throw your statement back to you in exaggerated version to make my self even more clear.

"You can't afford a ferrari but you dare comment on slightly poorer f*cks than you?Shut your mouth and open it when you can easily afford the pesky cost of this car, lul"

Not so cool now huh?

Generally people who have faced 0 adversity whatsoever (not only financial) are the ones who have this attitude. "Are you sick?,Get well","Are you poor? Get rich" But when the shit hit the fan, they are the first to break and cry like b'tches. 

Now i don't claim that you are such a person because i can not judge on you by just two comments. I am just saying this is impression your comments have given me.I will be more than willing to apologise if i am wrong.

 Actually the example seems perfectly in line with what I'm saying.  I have no business spending Ferrari money on a car, so the last thing I'd be doing is reaming Ferrari for not offering a suspension package.

I would have no right to roll in absent this post and say, "jeez guys, stop being poor and buy more bundles". There's an example in my line of work that I'm sure everyone has seen on police procedurals where a prosecutor can't ask certain things or bring up prior bad acts unless the defense brings it up first.  Usually you know this happened because someone says something like, "you opened the door, counselor".  The analogy applies when someone with a signature featuring a caricature of a blizzard fan eating literal shit starts this topic.  He/she/ze opened the door.

I said at the beginning I wasn't trying to be mean-spirited about money.  We all sort of have the notion that if you're having trouble buying food or paying rent, the price of Blizzard's mega bundle doesn't really concern you at this point in life.  That's not supposed to be a burn; I thought we would all acknowledge this as fact.

I said in a later post that it's also a very dangerous argument to say that because Blizzard offered a better deal on the Witchwood preorder, they shouldn't offer lesser value now.  If that was a thing, all that would get you is no Witchwood deal in the first place.  They'd have never done that if they couldn't scale it back later.

This argument is why I can't watch Jim Sterling anymore.  The people who shit on companies monetizing through micro transactions seem to be motivated either by the worst type of jealousy or an unbelievable sense of entitlement.  Some people can afford Ferrari.  I can't.  That's not unfair.  Sterling and others seem to proceed from the notion that if there is an offering that someone wants, they are incapable of exercising self-control if it's a bad financial decision to buy it.

My point is this:  People who buy stuff in Hearthstone keep the game alive.  F2Pers are not deficient for not contributing, but they are deficient if they begrudge the financial contributors for the very few shinies Blizzard gives us.  People who have money to spend and choose to direct it to a certain endeavor will have more options and luxuries than those who either don't have money or choose to spend it elsewhere.  This is true in all walks of life.

I do have a job that finances my hearthstone habit.  I do not face particular adversity compared to many.  I can't imagine what the last two sentences have to do with the validity of the rest.

Well for Turkish hearthstone players they are in luck. In the mobile version of Hearthstone the 50 packs prepurchase is about 180 Turkish Liras (about 36 euros(14 euros value!!)) and the 80 packs version is about 300 Turkish Liras(about 56 euros(24 euros value!)

Dear OP, after reading 14 pages of replies I decided to take some time and elaborate the data we have to understand if Blizzard is "going too far", taking advantage of you and us with these bundles.

This is a mathematical analysis based on data from Blizzard itself and data on Hearthstone wiki, such as average dust value per pack (102.71) and legendary pity timer set at 40. Keeping in mind that for a new expansion the pity timer is set to an initial value of 10.
This analysis keeps the DUST on DOLLARS as a primary unit of measure, since it's the only one that could be applied in this case. Sentimental value for a Hero pic or a card back cannot be quantified and I believe that if someone WANTS that hero, he'll get it anyway.

I also used a theoretical NON GOLD legendary card value as a unit for the pity timer, since it's impossible to calculate the chances of getting a golden legendary, and it's only a plus when it happens.

Please see the attached image, I'm willing to share the google spreadsheet file to anyone. 

TL:DR: Blizzard is going far yes...in giving you a great offer. Buying 130 cards from them from these bundles you're getting not only a hero, but a dust/$ value of 151.29 dust per dollar VS a 68.70 dust per dollar value if you buy an individual pack.

Here, I solved it for you :)

 

edit: some minor typos and initial pity timer set to 10 packs, considering you're not opening ANY pack before starting the bundle unpacking.

Man there is some serious toxicity here.

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Dear OP, after reading 14 pages of replies I decided to take some time and elaborate the data we have to understand if Blizzard is "going too far", taking advantage of you and us with these bundles.

This is a mathematical analysis based on data from Blizzard itself and data on Hearthstone wiki, such as average dust value per pack (102.71) and legendary pity timer set at 40. Keeping in mind that for a new expansion the pity timer is set to an initial value of 20.
This analysis keeps the DUST on DOLLARS as a primary unit of measure, since it's the only one that could be applied in this case. Sentimental value for a Hero pic or a card back cannot be quantified and I believe that if someone WATS that hero, he'll get it anyway.

I also used a theoretical NON GOLD legendary card value as a unit for the pity timer, since it's impossible to calculate the chances of getting a golden legendary, and it's only a plus when it happens.

Please see the attached image, I'm willing to share the google spreadsheet file to anyone. 

TL:DR: Blizzard is going far yes...in giving you a great offer. Buying 130 cards from them from these bundles you're getting not only a hero, but a dust/$ value of 151.29 dust per dollar VS a 68.70 dust per dollar value if you buy an individual pack.

Here, I solved it for you 

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Dear OP, after reading 14 pages of replies I decided to take some time and elaborate the data we have to understand if Blizzard is "going too far", taking advantage of you and us with these bundles.

This is a mathematical analysis based on data from Blizzard itself and data on Hearthstone wiki, such as average dust value per pack (102.71) and legendary pity timer set at 40. Keeping in mind that for a new expansion the pity timer is set to an initial value of 20.
This analysis keeps the DUST on DOLLARS as a primary unit of measure, since it's the only one that could be applied in this case. Sentimental value for a Hero pic or a card back cannot be quantified and I believe that if someone WATS that hero, he'll get it anyway.

I also used a theoretical NON GOLD legendary card value as a unit for the pity timer, since it's impossible to calculate the chances of getting a golden legendary, and it's only a plus when it happens.

Please see the attached image, I'm willing to share the google spreadsheet file to anyone. 

TL:DR: Blizzard is going far yes...in giving you a great offer. Buying 130 cards from them from these bundles you're getting not only a hero, but a dust/$ value of 151.29 dust per dollar VS a 68.70 dust per dollar value if you buy an individual pack.

Here, I solved it for you :)

 Round of applause for this gentlemen please.

Just uninstall the game and stop playing if having to pay for something cosmetic is so evil, it's just for people who think it looks cool and there's no obligation to buy it.

I agree and I'm still gonna buy it. I always do. I mean don't get me wrong, it is really expensive (compared to other games you can get for around that price), but for someone who has been giving Blizz a shit ton of money throughout the last 2 and a half years, it really doesn't make any difference when it comes to 30 dollars. It just doesn't. That's why you see people defending it.

At the end of the day, a lot of people don't mind paying for it. If I could vote to somehow make this skin available to everyone for free, hell yes, I don't care I paid freaking 80 euros for the mega bundle. I would still want that to be free for everyone. But this is a business we are talking about here, and like any big company, they will milk it as much as they can.

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So there's been a lot of the same comments in this thread just boggle my mind. There are people actually defending this awful bundle. So I'm gonna address every frequent comment that I've been seeing.

• It's a good deal! 80 packs for $80!

First of all, it's asinine to even preorder loot boxes to begin with, but on face value, $80 for 80 packs does sound good when usually the preorders are 50 packs for $50. However, all that became null and void when the Witchwood came out. Witchwood's preorder wasn't the usual 50 packs for $50, it was 70 packs! The moment they did that bundle, a bundle a lot of people loved might I add, it makes the other preorder bundles look like shit in comparison.

Not only that, but $80 for what is ultimately a preorder for loot boxes is absurd. You know what could be done with $80? You could get a shitload of Steam games, games that are not on sale, right now, and still have money left over. You could get two $40 Nintendo Switch games. Ultimately, $80 for 80 packs is pretty crazy. 100 packs or more would've been better, or maybe include some more Golden Legendaries. Speaking of...

• But you get a Golden Legendary in the Mega Bundle, which becomes any Legendary you want!

You also get one in the normal $50 preorder as well, making that part of the bundle ultimately irrelevant.

• The hero portrait is ugly anyway!

Okay, what does that have to do with it? That's pretty subjective.

• You're not entitled to the hero portrait anyway!

Ah yes, the classic "entitled" argument. The ultimate strawman of any shill when they can't think of any else to say. 

• Who cares? It's just cosmetic

Then why do Casinowatch loot boxes sell like hotcakes? Why did people make a big deal about Nemsy? Guess it's not "just cosmetic" or else people wouldn't give a shit about them. Cosmetics are fun, they let people look differently, and that's why people like them. But besides, that, is for the past two years we were getting this shit for free. When the $10 hero portraits weren't selling, Actiblizz gave them out for free instead as rewards, and people really liked that. Now we have a hero portrait that is locked behind a limited time $80 preorder paywall, so once the preorder is gone that hero portrait cannot be earned anymore. They know people really want Mecha-Jaraxxus since Jaraxxus is one of the most popular Hearthstone characters, and people want Warlock portraits, so they made him a preorder incentive. GET HIM BEFORE HE'S GONE FOREVER!

The argument ultimately is more about the fact the hero portrait is locked to the $80 preorder. I could make the argument all day that it's a waste to preorder loot boxes and how the Mega Bundle is not so Mega, but the fact of the matter is a hero portrait is locked behind a steep preorder paywall. Why is that a big deal? Because we've been getting them for free for the past two years, and if people buy this (Which most likely they will judging from the comments I'm seeing here and on Reddit) then ActiBlizz will start doing more of these "Mega Bundles." Hero portraits will become locked to preorders and we won't get them for free anymore, for these bundles will make so much money, and because people didn't stop and say "no."

I agree with you that the $80 bundle is awful, but ONLY because the majority of the emotes are repurposed parts of the Lord Jaraxxus minion. There are very few differences with the emotes between when you're the Lord and when you're the Mech. However, the extra $30 you're spending does allow for you to maintain the total amount you're saving on each individual pack. Not to mention, pity timers for Legendaries will get pinged down on the constant when the total you're opening is as high as 80-130 (you can order both bundles).

Again, goes back to what I said about the Witchwood. We got 70 packs for $50. That changes everything now that we have a different kind of bundle now, a better bundle in the expansion prior. But again, it goes back to what I said earlier: You're preordering fucking loot boxes. The so called return value is very minimal in the grand scheme of things, and we have no idea how the expansion is gonna turn out. People preordered Grand Tournament, and that expansion sucked balls, same with Witchwood since most of the cards are terrible. You're buying into something you know nothing about and supporting a terrible business practice. You need to stop it. You really do.

Card packs vs. Buying games through Steam or for your console

You can easily get tired of the games you purchase.

You have got to be fucking kidding me. You're really going to use that strawman? You can get tired of literally anything you buy, not exclusive to games. But I would think $80 for a bunch of video games would be a much better deal than $80 on loot boxes where you're not guaranteed anything good from them.

With cards and card packs, you can't even play some of the decks you want to make without certain cards. The difference? Buying card packs helps you actually play the game more, and if you're going to be dedicated to this game, having more cards means you have more game.

The chances for epics and legendaries are very small, and on average 50-80 cardpacks will get you about five or seven legendaries, IF you're lucky. But with how every expansion has two class legendaries now you need so much just to stay ahead and play the big decks due to a lot of cards now in Wild.

But you won't acknowledge this side of it because it doesn't work for you, just like how you haven't acknowledged any of the positives of these bundles. Positivity doesn't work when you're trying to spin something negatively.

Again, preordering loot boxes, which F2Ps don't even do. And again, goes back to what I said about this game being too expensive now.

Golden Legendary in the Mega Bundle

Yes, it's true, you get one in the MB, but you also get one if you spend $30 less.

Literally what I said.

People are drawn to Mecha Jaraxxus for the same reason you are. However, you still would like to null and void Blizzardvision's attempt at giving customers a little more for spending a little more.

I wouldn't call a hero portrait a reward for "spending a little more" when the original three cost $10, and again, we have been getting this shit for free. By that logic, why isn't M-J in the regular preorder? The cardback is, but not the hero itself.

You made a statement concerning how M-J is an alternate Hero we'd never see again. You don't know this for a fact, so stop promoting it as such.

Where's Khadgar then? Where's Tyrande? Both of these were limited time heroes exclusive to something. Khadgar was exclusive to purchase for iOS users for the Apps for Earth charity. People were pissed about that. Blizzard promised he would return. To this day, he has yet to return at all, only appearing as a reward for Chinese players.

Tyrande, a reward for Twitch Prime users. Very few players could actually get her, leaving the majority of Hearthstone players in the dust. She has only appeared one time, and again, for China.

Blizzard themselves even said they have no plans to make Mecha-Jaraxxus available another way. They don't bring hero portraits back, and they won't bring M-J back.

Entitlement

You don't need Mecha Jaraxxus to play as Warlock.

Neither did you need Nemsy, but people still bitched about her, and rightfully so. People want Warlock portraits. It is what it is.

You are trying to argue that Blizzard's way is wrong because it's hard for you to get the alternate Hero.

Well I am the consumer. The customer is always right.

Blizzard has to monetize their game wherever they can. Not going to say this is the right way to do it, but you come across as entitled with a lot of this post by telling people Blizzard should do things your way and make something that they made special for the upcoming expansion more accessible.

You see, I get this argument from Blizzshills all the time. They try to make these bad deals out to be a good thing, and try to silence any and all criticism. They've done it with Casinowatch's loot boxes, they've done it with Diablo 3 and what a dumpster fire that game was, and they're doing what you're doing now. You're literally proving my point right.

If you like this game enough that you want unnecessary additions, you support Blizzard in their effort to bring more content by spending money or getting a code from someone that has a few codes lying around, like a streamer. They don't need to make M-J more accessible just because you want them to. This is why people are calling you entitled. You are not owed an easier method of getting M-J.

Again, I'm the consumer. You're the consumer. Everyone on Hearthpwn is the consumer. We're the ones who buy the product, so when we see something that isn't right, we complain about it and not buy it. When hero portraits were first announced, they were $10. The consumer thought that was outrageous to pay $10 for a gif (and rightfully so.) So all future hero portraits from then on were free, offered as rewards for doing quest like things, and people really enjoyed that. But now, we got a portrait that isn't free, and ultimately costs $80. (Before you say "but you also get cardpacks and a legendary" do you think people care? They just want Jaraxxus, plain and simple. They don't care about that other shit.)

Look at it another way: Remember Call of Duty Modern Warfare Remastered? ActiBlizz originally locked the CoD4 remake behind a $80 paywall as well. Had to buy the deluxe version of Infinite Warfare, a game they didn't want, just to get the game they wanted. Why should you pay $80 on something you don't want, just to get something you do want? That's why it's bullshit Jaraxxus is locked to this preorder. But moreso then that, is the fact we used to get shit like this for free!

The Cosmetic Argument

In your own post, you ask and answer your own question. "Then why do Casinowatch loot boxes sell like hotcakes? Cosmetics are fun, they let people look differently, and that's why people like them." They are fun, but they are NOT required for you to play.

And again, why do loot boxes sell so well then? OW players obsess over skins. TF2 players obsess over skins. CSGO players obsess over skins. They aren't required to play, but so many people still give a shit about them though, a big shit.

I mentioned before and I'll mention again, M-J's emotes are almost 100% repurposed emotes from the Lord Jaraxxus minion card. It's not worth it in my opinion.

I wouldn't really call these lines repurposed. They sound pretty original to me. But hey, what do I know? After all according to you, I'm entitled. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Again, you don't know for certain that it's exclusive to this bundle, so stop telling people it is.

https://twitter.com/PlayHearthstone/status/1016752055451508736

I'm getting really fucking tired of repeating myself.

I will say, it makes sense that these bundles are being rolled out, what with Activision getting involved. My friend and I had a conversation about this pairing, with Activision getting involved. Part of the reason Activision is partnered with Blizzard is because Blizzard isn't doing the best financially.

Blizzard was doing just fine before the Activision merger. They owned WoW, made Warcraft III, and had Starcraft Brood War and were working on Starcraft II. The Activision merger completely changed how Blizzard behaved as a company, and it's why all their talent is now gone.

When a company partners with another company, it has a lot to do with the money side of things. Partnerships only happen when one company needs hand from another in order to be pulled from the depths and avoid drowning. This is just another attempt at a COMPANY trying to make MONEY, which is what companies try to do in order to stay alive.

They're making billions from this game, and Casinowatch. I think they're doing just fine. This $80 bundle just comes off as greedy, just like how there's three expansions now. Gotta milk those pack sales before Artifact and Gwent 1.0 show up.

I expect you to cower like you have and keep away from responding to this response. Place your bets, people.

Nice to see you again.

You need to stop it. You really do.

Are you sure about that? People have up until before the expansion drops to pre-order. It's been like this for the longest time, and people have been pre-ordering bundles since bundles became a thing. It's up to the consumer to decide if it's a good idea to pre-order or not. There's a window of time for a reason, of course. It does seem absurd to pre-order before everything is revealed, but there's not a whole lot wrong with it. Sure, it could set a bad precedent, but it doesn't always mean it works out like that.

Well I mean, it kinda has for now there's two preorder bundles at ludicrous prices, and a hero portrait is locked to the most expensive one. The thing is, when you preorder, you're locked in. It's very rare that you will actually cancel your preorder for you set in motion a plan, and to deviate from that plan is something that in your mind you don't wanna do. That's why it's better to not preorder at all, so you don't have that thought in mind.

You have got to be fucking kidding me. You're really going to use that strawman? You can get tired of literally anything you buy, not exclusive to games. But I would think $80 for a bunch of video games would be a much better deal than $80 on loot boxes where you're not guaranteed anything good from them.

The chances for epics and legendaries are very small, and on average 50-80 cardpacks will get you about five or seven legendaries, IF you're lucky. But with how every expansion has two class legendaries now you need so much just to stay ahead and play the big decks due to a lot of cards now in Wild.

That silly ol' buzzword again, "strawman". I present an opinion, then you present an opinion. That's how many conversations work. Welcome to the internet.

Pre-ordering/spending $80 on cards for a game is how card games have been for the longest time. I have to wonder, what card game did you start with, and when did you forget that spending money on cards meant you can continue to play that card game? Packs of cards have been notorious for being a gamble. It's always been a gamble, whether it be physical or digital. This is not a new thing. I remember reading in the newspaper when I was younger about how kids were beating each other within an inch of their life in school bathrooms over Pokemon cards. Valuable cards are hard to get. That's just how it is, and Hearthstone is no stranger.

Again, preordering loot boxes, which F2Ps don't even do. And again, goes back to what I said about this game being too expensive now.

People enjoy opening packs. That's part of the reason the pre-orders happen.

No, people enjoy opening packs because that's the main hook of loot boxes. Cardpacks, like other loot boxes, trigger dopamine in the brain because of that excitement of opening one and thinking "this time. This time I get a legendary." When you don't get one, you wanna just keep opening until you do see that orange light. It's an addiction, which is why it's gambling.

This game, just like MTG, will be next to impossible to make affordable. That's how card games are. With Hearthstone, you either make gold or buy packs. With MTG, you buy packs or singles. Consider yourself lucky this isn't MTG.

In Magic you can trade cards you get in packs to get cards you need. Can't do that here. The dust return value you get is pathetic. Gotta dust four legendaries just to get one.

Not to mention Magic has whole decks you can buy, so any newcomer and instantly get into the current meta. Can't do that here since ActiBlizz gives newcomers fuckall.

I wouldn't call a hero portrait a reward for "spending a little more" when the original three cost $10, and again, we have been getting this shit for free. By that logic, why isn't M-J in the regular preorder? The cardback is, but not the hero itself.

You wouldn't call a Hero portrait a reward for spending a little more?

Well seeing as we used to get them for free and the only way to get this portrait is to spend $80, no I do not, and it's farcical to even think it's a reward for spending more. That's the fallacy you and other Blizzdrones think about: You think these bundles are rewards when in reality it's gating content that should've been free because again: This is shit we used to get for free.

What would you call the tier list rewards for donating a little more to a crowdfunded project? Same deal just about. It depends on how you look at getting to spend $30 more to save money on packs and getting M-J as a bonus. It's called an incentive for a reason.

Okay 1. You're comparing apples to oranges. Preorders are not the same as crowdfunded projects. In crowdfunded projects you're an unofficial investor in a product that may never come out, and those tiers are stretch goals for the project that has not been planned out that tries to get investors to invest more into the project to make those features a reality. Key thing: None of this is completed.

2. That's not a bonus. Not even close. It's locking completed content that again: WE. USED. TO. GET. FOR. FREE.

Where's Khadgar then? Where's Tyrande? Both of these were limited time heroes exclusive to something. Khadgar was exclusive to purchase for iOS users for the Apps for Earth charity. People were pissed about that. Blizzard promised he would return. To this day, he has yet to return at all, only appearing as a reward for Chinese players.

Tyrande, a reward for Twitch Prime users. Very few players could actually get her, leaving the majority of Hearthstone players in the dust. She has only appeared one time, and again, for China.

Blizzard themselves even said they have no plans to make Mecha-Jaraxxus available another way. They don't bring hero portraits back, and they won't bring M-J back.

They've shown us that they're willing to bring alternate Heroes back. You've presented enough for us to have knowledge of this.

Where did Blizzard state they wouldn't make M-J available again? If I had seen that detail before, I wouldn't have mentioned twice that you don't know for sure. A link would be really handy.

THEY. ONLY. BROUGHT. THEM. BACK. FOR. CHINA.

Neither did you need Nemsy, but people still bitched about her, and rightfully so. People want Warlock portraits. It is what it is.

I don't have any of the alternate Heroes but a few of the free ones. I don't care about them. I can still play the game with no issue without them, and so can you. And yeah, it was a pain in the ass to get some of the alternate Heroes, but people did what they needed to get them, pain or not. Just like then, they'll do it now with M-J if they care enough.

Good for you, but honestly the majority of other people prefer the alternate heroes, and like I said multiple times, we used to get them for free.

Well I am the consumer. The customer is always right.

This is why people kill themselves from work related stress. People like you think you're right because you have money. Money doesn't make someone correct. How very naive of you...

Your shill side is showing.

You see, I get this argument from Blizzshills all the time. They try to make these bad deals out to be a good thing, and try to silence any and all criticism. They've done it with Casinowatch's loot boxes, they've done it with Diablo 3 and what a dumpster fire that game was, and they're doing what you're doing now. You're literally proving my point right.

I can tell you didn't read my first response to you. God, you're lazy.

I replied to it mang.

Not a shill. I don't care about Blizzard much. I just like their card game. I don't play their other games, and don't care to support them except with the occasional Hearthstone thing or two.

And you're defending the locking of M-J hard.

Trying to silence you? No, my friend. I've been sticking here with you to talk to you more about this, whether you like it or not. I have no intentions of seeing you silenced. I'm merely addressing your one-sided view of things at every step, holding you to scrutiny wherever possible as you have been with us, and conceding to points that I can't help but agree with. Don't underestimate your company.

Your scrutiny is moreso shilling as you're hellbent on defending this awful bundle. 

Again, I'm the consumer. You're the consumer. Everyone on Hearthpwn is the consumer. We're the ones who buy the product, so when we see something that isn't right, we complain about it and not buy it. When hero portraits were first announced, they were $10. The consumer thought that was outrageous to pay $10 for a gif (and rightfully so.) So all future hero portraits from then on were free, offered as rewards for doing quest like things, and people really enjoyed that. But now, we got a portrait that isn't free, and ultimately costs $80. (Before you say "but you also get cardpacks and a legendary" do you think people care? They just want Jaraxxus, plain and simple. They don't care about that other shit.)

Look at it another way: Remember Call of Duty Modern Warfare Remastered? ActiBlizz originally locked the CoD4 remake behind a $80 paywall as well. Had to buy the deluxe version of Infinite Warfare, a game they didn't want, just to get the game they wanted. Why should you pay $80 on something you don't want, just to get something you do want? That's why it's bullshit Jaraxxus is locked to this preorder. But moreso then that, is the fact we used to get shit like this for free!

Not all Heroes beyond the first three have been free. Delusions about, oh boy, oh joy.

Uhh, yes all the heroes beyond the first three (and Khadgar) were free, even Tyrande.

Lady Liadrin: Just reach level 20 in WoW with a new character. You can get this for free using a Starter Edition.

Morgl: Recruit a friend. (You can make a smurf account to do this.)

Maiev: Was a quest reward for Year of the Mammoth

Arthas: Beat the Lich King with all nine classes.

Tyrande: Twitch Prime reward (Amazon gives free trials so again, this was free too.)

Nemsy: Attend an established Fireside Gathering. (Or just use NoxPlayer like everyone else did.)

Lunara: Year of the Raven quest reward

So yeah, all the heroes except for the first three (And Khadgar because he was for charity) were free. And now suddenly we've gone back to paid heroes since Mecha-Jaraxxus is locked to a $80 cardpack preorder paywall.

As I've mentioned before, I don't care for Jaraxxus and I'd still pick up both bundles, just because I could.

See the OP for that.

I mentioned how pity timers are also continually pinged by people opening packs. You can get more by spending more.

Common loot box defense tactic.

I love this card game. If I can get packs at reduced prices, why not? I don't care for the card back or the alternate Hero. I just want packs, m'dude. People don't just care about M-J, and people aren't spending $80 for solely that reason. It's silly to ignore reduced pack prices in bulk to further push this idea of yours.

Well I mean, the main argument was because it was shitty that a hero portrait is locked to a $80 preorder paywall, and ultimately how $80 more is pretty steep for a preorder when the only benefit is 30 more packs, but hey you've already made up your mind.

Even though some of the content has been free, you shouldn't expect all content to be free.You shouldn't lead yourself to believe things will always be the same. It brings disappointment.

Actually yes I can when the content has been free for TWO YEARS. They tried paid heroes, people didn't like them, so they made them rewards for doing Blizzard themed quests instead, and people were happy.

I do agree, M-J should've been something you could earn. Can't argue with you on that.

Then don't preorder the Mega Bundle. You preorder, and ActiBlizz will do more of these bundles where they lock hero portraits to expensive ass preorders.

And again, why do loot boxes sell so well then? OW players obsess over skins. TF2 players obsess over skins. CSGO players obsess over skins. They aren't required to play, but so many people still give a shit about them though, a big shit.

The desire for cosmetics is part of human nature. Whether or not you fully embrace/repress that part of yourself, it doesn't justify forcing Blizzard to change the attempt they're making here. Using desire as reasoning to make M-J easier to obtain signifies heavily that you are, in fact, entitled.

• "Yeah people do care about cosmetics, yeah I agree he should've been something you could earn, but you're entitled for wanting him to be obtainable easier."

 

I wouldn't really call these lines repurposed. They sound pretty original to me. But hey, what do I know? After all according to you, I'm entitled. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Referencing the fact that I call you entitled has no relevance regarding repurposed voice lines. I've listened to the voice lines. Streamer and Youtuber Savjz uploaded gameplay with the Hero enabled. Most of the lines are repurposed.

Hey, if new voicelines that are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM OG JARAXXUS'S VOICE LINES are repurposing to you, then I'm sorry man.

https://twitter.com/PlayHearthstone/status/1016752055451508736

I'm getting really fucking tired of repeating myself.

OH, there's a link. I asked for one earlier. Ignore that request. If this is it, cool. Thank you for that. Also, if you get "really fucking tired of repeating" yourself, maybe don't address the same thing twice? You're making this harder on yourself than you need to.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Blizzard was doing just fine before the Activision merger. They owned WoW, made Warcraft III, and had Starcraft Brood War and were working on Starcraft II. The Activision merger completely changed how Blizzard behaved as a company, and it's why all their talent is now gone.

They're making billions from this game, and Casinowatch. I think they're doing just fine. This $80 bundle just comes off as greedy, just like how there's three expansions now. Gotta milk those pack sales before Artifact and Gwent 1.0 show up.

You do know it costs a lot to run servers, right? With as many games as they have, the many regions, all the data, upkeep costs more than you might know. Unless you've been on the inside of a business meeting, you can't expect to speak as though you've seen their quarterly reports. "You need to stop it. You really do."

They're not a small indie company, they're a multi-billion dollar conglomerate. They make billions a month from loot box sales alone just from Overwatch. I think they'll be fine.

Anyway, it's nice to see you come out of hiding finally. I challenged you to come out because you haven't really been responding at all.

I was never in hiding, but hey. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You've been running around and hitting up comments with upvotes.

I mean, don't we all?

Managed to even put an edit out there to your first comment here. Was waiting for you to address some of us.

I mean, I shouldn't have to respond to every reply made to me, only the big ones. (Or if I get bored.) But repeatedly I'll make edits of frequent comments.

I await your return, unless you want to silence yourself to try looking like more of a victim.

Well there's a new set of comments in the OP waiting for ya.

Welcome back. Shall we begin?

There's two preorder bundles at ludicrous prices, and a hero portrait is locked to the most expensive one. The thing is, when you preorder, you're locked in. It's very rare that you will actually cancel your preorder for you set in motion a plan, and to deviate from that plan is something that in your mind you don't wanna do. That's why it's better to not preorder at all, so you don't have that thought in mind.

Yes, while you may get locked into your order, and while it kinda sucks that there isn't really an option to back out, but this is why there's a window of time available. If you want to pre-order, there's plenty of time to make up your mind. They give you up until just before people can open their packs to pre-order. It's not a trick, or a trap, and we can't ignore the window of time available just to further keep on about how pre-orders are bad because you believe it fucks with people. Most people who are pre-ordering are responsible enough to know how they feel when going into something like this. While regret can be had, I don't feel we should view people as not being competent enough to make up their own mind. Most people with money enough to invest are adults, and they should be viewed as such.

People enjoy opening packs because that's the main hook of loot boxes. Cardpacks, like other loot boxes, trigger dopamine in the brain because of that excitement of opening one and thinking "this time. This time I get a legendary." When you don't get one, you wanna just keep opening until you do see that orange light. It's an addiction, which is why it's gambling.

Gambling is spending money on something for a chance at something more than what was put in to play the game. The gambling itself, while addiction is a byproduct, is not dictated and defined by the fact that addiction is a possible result. You are, intentionally or otherwise, agreeing with me, that people open packs because it's something they enjoy. While addiction is a legitimate disease, it doesn't mean that all of addiction is free of positive moments or feelings. That's the only way addiction keeps a grip on people. If it didn't feel good at least some of the time, people wouldn't continue with it as much because they're not being tricked into further involvement with that thing. People aren't opening packs just because something valuable is in it. I view opening packs as exciting. I understand that I have a chance at better/rarer cards, but I don't expect certain things from the opening. I look at pack openings as a way to fill more of my collection, and nothing more. That's why I enjoy it, because I always wonder what I could pull from each pack. I'm glad to hear you agree with me about pack openings.

Magic has whole decks you can buy, so any newcomer and instantly get into the current meta. Can't do that here since ActiBlizz gives newcomers fuckall.

Being able to trade your cards and buy decks doesn't mitigate the fact that it's still expensive to play MTG, specifically If you want to stay within range of the competitive scene, with MTG's own Standard format. It doesn't matter that items can be traded because staying up to date with their Standard format isn't the easiest thing to do often times. Try telling someone who plays MTG's Standard format that it's not expensive and they'll laugh in your face. Dust economy being poor with Hearthstone does not mitigate the fact that MTG is more expensive than Hearthstone.

Well seeing as we used to get them for free and the only way to get this portrait is to spend $80, no I do not, and it's farcical to even think it's a reward for spending more. That's the fallacy you and other Blizzdrones think about: You think these bundles are rewards when in reality it's gating content that should've been free because again: This is shit we used to get for free.

You keep flinging around these words, "Blizzdrone" and "Shill", I don't think you understand at all what those words mean. I've explained perfectly that I only play Hearthstone and don't care about their other games. You really are desperate to have others angered, huh. Kinda sad. You'd be able to convince people of things if you, first, made sense, secondly, didn't try speaking on things you don't understand very well, and third, didn't ignore things just to demean. I probably have a few more things to add to this small list, but I'll move on.

M-J is an incentive given to those of us who spend a little more. Are you refusing to call it a reward because you didn't earn it? I can see that. But, once again, you shouldn't expect things to always be the same, because you will be disappointed. This isn't a hard concept to grasp, but you seem to be having a terrible time just understanding this. You shouldn't be so stubborn, man.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Preorders are not the same as crowdfunded projects. In crowdfunded projects you're an unofficial investor in a product that may never come out, and those tiers are stretch goals for the project that has not been planned out that tries to get investors to invest more into the project to make those features a reality. Key thing: None of this is completed.

I might be making a somewhat bad comparison, but that's why I said "It's the same deal, just about it." I indicated that I understood it's not a comparison that can be made exactly, but that it shares in comparative qualities. "Spend $X and get Y as a bonus for spending $X."

The majority of other people prefer the alternate heroes, and like I said multiple times, we used to get them for free.

And like I said multiple times, you can't expect things to stay the same or you'll be disappointed. You need to learn this now, or you'll find yourself complaining constantly about how your expectations weren't met like before... in the past. You should expect an ever-changing landscape with your games and services, so you are prepared. Having your expectations set and limited to the experience you prefer, expecting things to always meet your expectations, you are expecting too much and companies don't keep doing the same thing just because one person is stubborn. You seem to not understand how business works. This is, again, why people see you as entitled. You want everyone sticking within your orbit, just to keep you warm and comfortable. You're not worth it.

Dr_Scaphandre: Well I am the consumer. The customer is always right.

CypherBenkes: This is why people kill themselves from work related stress. People like you think you're right because you have money. Money doesn't make someone correct. How very naive of you...

Dr_Scaphandre: Your shill side is showing.

I wanted to make clear how this exchange went. I made it clear that I don't value the opinion of people with money. How does that make me a shill, exactly? You really are quite dense, and don't actually understand what shill means. You really shouldn't use that word anymore if you can't use it properly.

CypherBenkes: I can tell you didn't read my first response to you. God, you're lazy.
Dr_Scaphandre: I replied to it mang.

You replied to this comment? When and where?

You're defending the locking of M-J hard.

No I'm not. Again, you're ignoring things people are saying to you. I've stated quite clearly that I believe you should be able to earn M-J. Why do you even bother if you aren't even going to deliver properly on even your own responses? Do you have anxiety when you're in front of a computer? You're a mess, dude.

Your scrutiny is moreso shilling as you're hellbent on defending this awful bundle. 

Again, you don't hardly read half the shit that people send you. I said the Mega Bundle isn't worth it. You're really grasping at straws here, man. You keep doing this, where people send you things and you ignore what you're sent, just to keep up the level of ignorance we've come to expect from you.

CypherBenkes: I mentioned how pity timers are also continually pinged by people opening packs. You can get more by spending more.
Dr_Scaphandre: Common loot box defense tactic.

If you mean about getting more by spending more, it's not a defense tactic because it's common sense. There are no tactics here. I'm being realistic with you, but you've shown us that being realistic is not your forte, as you seem to be wholly offended by realistic points. The mention of getting more by spending more is not only how commerce, markets and the like keep up supply and demand, it's also a component of the mention of pity timers. This is also basic math.

You know, Scap, I think I know what your problem is. You're a Communist.

 

Actually yes I can when the content has been free for TWO YEARS. They tried paid heroes, people didn't like them, so they made them rewards for doing Blizzard themed quests instead, and people were happy.

1. Don't expect things to always be the same. You will be disappointed.
2. Consider it a new quest for the players: Spend $80. Reward: Stuff. I don't see the problem here. It's just another quest, amigo, and sometimes, to slay a dragon, you need funds for dragon slaying supplies. Consider this a quest that interacts with the real world.

CypherBenkes: The desire for cosmetics is part of human nature. Whether or not you fully embrace/repress that part of yourself, it doesn't justify forcing Blizzard to change the attempt they're making here. Using desire as reasoning to make M-J easier to obtain signifies heavily that you are, in fact, entitled.
Dr_Scaphandre: "Yeah people do care about cosmetics, yeah I agree he should've been something you could earn, but you're entitled for wanting him to be obtainable easier." *image that reads "That's not how 

Actually, yes. This is how psychology and humans work. If you want it made easier to acquire, and you want the company that is producing that thing that you want to ditch their original plans and make less money, that is entitlement. That is how the entitled reason. "It should be made easier to get because I want it." In all my 28 years of life, I've dedicated half of my time on this planet to studying people. You have the most glaring signs of entitlement about you. This is why this thread is more about the skin than it is the actual bundle. You want the skin, and you'll insult anyone who thinks differently. You are a child.

They're not a small indie company, they're a multi-billion dollar conglomerate. They make billions a month from loot box sales alone just from Overwatch. I think they'll be fine.

Again, you don't know what their quarterly sales reports look like, you don't know how much it costs to run everything, and you especially don't know how many people work for them and how much everyone there gets paid. You know nothing about their side of business, yet you purport to know better.

There's a new set of comments in the OP waiting for ya.

Yeah, I saw that. Let me look at those real quick.

Here we go again...

But you can buy both the Mega Bundle and regular preorder and get TWO Golden Legendaries!

...do you even understand how absurd your comment is? You’re spending $130 to  preorder loot boxes twice. What the fuck is wrong with you?

There's nothing absurd about buying more packs at a discounted price, and there is certainly nothing wrong with people for doing this. As mentioned before, they have up until before the expansion drops to make a decision. You aren't being realistic regarding the value of these bundles. Two Golden Legendaries is nothing to scoff at. Why is this prospect and the value of this so lost on you? You won't even consider how valuable much of the bundles are, because once again, you don't care to speak positively of any part of this. It doesn't work with what you're attempting to do here. You only want to piss on people here and piss on the good opportunity presented by this all. You're getting close to $150 in value/goods/services for $130. I won't keep trying to help you understand this if you don't care to be realistic.

OP stop bitching and get a job! Who can’t afford $80?

Money is not an issue I assure you. It’s not about who has the money to buy the bundle. It’s about a sense of worth. Myself and many others personally don’t find the Mega Bundle worth $80, especially since they’re locking a hero portrait to it when we used to get them for free.

If you want the skin and you have the money, it's your fault for not getting it while it's currently available. With all the complaining you're doing, considering how you state money isn't a problem, you've now made it clear that this is not just protest for you, but that you are unwilling to support your ability to play the game more. You're likely going to need the new cards to play the game when the new meta arrives, and it'll only be your fault for abstaining from getting involved when the new meta is here. You have only yourself to blame.

Well I’m gonna buy it anyway

And these were the comments I were looking for. The comments who support the toxicity of preorder culture without giving it a second thought, then bitch when they get terrible legendaries. These are the true Blizzshills, the ones who are loyal to the brand and will defend it tooth and nail. And the funny thing is they’re paying to be shills, trying to make their ludicrous investment worth it. I suggest you watch this video by the late Totalbiscuit on why preordering (even if it offers a slightly better deal) is always a terrible idea.

There's nothing toxic about this. Pull your head out of your self righteous ass. "Toxicity", "pre-order culture", "Blizzshills". You are a complete joke. People aren't loyal to a brand here. They just like playing cards. You take this too seriously, and think you can change something that hardly needs tampering with. "Paying to be shills, trying to make their ludicrous investment worth it", it's a card game, dude. This is a deal on cards that you won't beat for a long time. If you are going to play a card game, it's a good idea to buy cards. Value and economy are lost ideas to you. Why do you even bother, really.

Your second edit was one of the more unnecessary wastes of time. I'll watch that video you left, but responding to things you write or mention seems to be a waste of time. I might leave something for you.

 

 

Im a f2p player so i dont care, for me its better have more bundles that may help to mantain the quality of the game.

Well, I honestly don't mind paying a higher price as long as the number of packs I receive increases as well, regardless of the other "bonuses" you'd receive from the purchase.