They’re gonna milk this game as much as possible until Artifact and Gwent 1.0 comes out aren’t they? It was bad enough that they were charging $50 to preorder loot boxes, but now there’s a second preorder option, the Mega Bundle.
For those who don’t know, the regular preorder bundle is $50, and comes with 50 cardpacks, the Mecha-Jaraxxus cardback, and a free golden legendary card.
Now the Mega Bundle on the other hand is $80! What do you get for 80? You still get the cardback and golden legendary, but instead of 50 cardpacks you get 80, as well as an alternate Warlock hero portrait: Mecha-Jaraxxus.
That’s it. That’s all you get. For $30 more dollars you get a few more glorified loot boxes and a skin. $80 for a hero portrait, and it’s one that the majority of people will want too. This is beyond ridiculous. For two years they have been offering hero portraits for free where we had to do something to get them, like play WoW, or go to a Fireside Gathering, or beat Frozen Throne. They were all great. But now, they’ve locked a skin of a very popular character behind a $80 preorder paywall, that once the expansion launches you can’t get it anymore. They also said there are no plans to rerelease Mecha-Jaraxxus, so anyone who wanted to get that skin are out of luck.
I cannot fathom how ludicrous this is. $80 and all they’re offering is a skin, a skin that is highly popular. I know why they did it too, because they know people love Jaraxxus so they made him an expensive preorder bonus.
I beg you, do not buy this Mega Bundle. Vote with your wallet. Show ActiBlizz this is too far and horribly anti-consumer.
Calm down there, YongYea. You seem to be purposely omitting a thing or two in your opening post, and focusing mostly on negatives that can be taken from this.
1. Most alternate Heroes have required some sum of money. Don't play like this is a new concept. About half or more of the alternate Heroes have cost people money. 2. This game is free to play. Buying packs and spending money on the game in general helps support the company, who work hard on cards and various designs and missions. This isn't an evil thing. They are a company, a company that wants to make money. What they are offering for $80 is to be expected, and it's a pretty good bundle.
You're making this out to be worse than it is. Vote with your wallet? This isn't a Battlefront 2 level fiasco. You're whipping up sensationalism and trying to get a rowdy crowd started like all of this is new that they're doing. Are you new to Hearthstone or something? People like skins, and most people who like skins will want Mecha-Jaraxxus because it's another skin. Not everyone wants to be Gul'dan, and not everyone wants to be Nemsy.
I just wish the paywall wasn't there (Or as high) to get what will probaly be the coolest hero to date. Not saying I don't understand it or am arguing against it but I just wish there was another option to getting him.
Alternatively, don't buy it b/c it's just a cosmetic skin...
Did you miss the part where I mentioned it was a cosmetic skin that people actually really want? It's for Warlock, and it's Jaraxxus as a cyborg. They knew Jaraxxus was a popular character, hence why they locked him behind a preorder paywall instead of letting us unlock him a different way, which is odd since we got Arthas as a free unlock.
So you’re saying that they’re greedy so they release things people want behind paywalls, except for that one time they didn’t do that. But that doesn’t count, because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
So basically your problem is that they’re releasing something 100% cosmetic, behind a paywall. And instead of that paywall being really expensive and only getting you the cosmetic, it’s basically a bonus added onto something that was previously in the game.
Mind telling me how exactly this is them being greedy and not you just whining because you can’t get the portrait you wanted?
Voting with my wallet this time, not preordering anything. Last expansion was actually worth it ($43 for 70 packs) + freebies IMO, but I cannot justify it this time, as the flavor doesn't even really interest me that much. The fact that there are 2 preorder options for THIS game seems overly ambitious. I better start saving more gold...
So the price per pack remains the same with both bundles, but with the mega you get an added bonus... So, I see your point about them trying to make more money, but I don't think it is somehow egregious. Every expansion I preorder and end up spending more on the crappier, non-preorder bundles. With this new bundle, I can buy both and simply be done with buying packs for the expansion. For people who are willing to spend some of their money, this is the best deal we have gotten yet, so it's not egregious or over the line. For people who don't spend money and complain about this, why? You didn't spend money before, continue to not spend money now.
I've read all the points. Overpriced bundle, locking a popular hero portrait behind a pay wall when you could get it through a dungeon run or something like it...or priced fair and the portrait is a bonus. This is my 2 cents that I have yet to read someone mention yet...wasn't the pre-order last expansion $50 for 70 packs and card back? In reality they're charging a extra $30 for 10 packs, cosmetic Warlock portrait, and a random legendary, right?
I do miss the 50 packs for 40 bucks, which was the deal when I started playing. I swore myself to never spend money in this game since they jacked the prices, and this time, they do break my balls for the first time.
I was pissed at people flashing the eye card back back in WotOG, now Jaraxxus will be the new thing that grind my gears.
There have been plenty of "pay only" skins for $10 (Magni, Medivh, Alleria). If you count Mecha-Jaraxxus at the same value, you're getting 80 packs for $70 dollars, which is probably the second best pre-release deal they've done (the 70 for 50 in Witchwood was better). On top of that, they're giving a second, standard option for the pre-release if you are typically happy to spend a bit on an expansion but don't want to be shoehorned into the new $80 bundle.
If you don't want to spend the money, don't spend the money. Blizzard isn't forcing you to spend money, and the Hero is a totally cosmetic change to the game. It's ridiculous to call this some "trick" simply because players will want the skin and will be willing to fork over the money - Blizzard is a business and will obviously try to present customers with enticing products because if they don't, they can't make any money off of Hearthstone.
This whole change is pretty unsurprising. The $50/$80 split for a standard and deluxe bundle for a game is pretty common in the industry, and having Blizzard use that same model for HS expansions makes a lot of sense.
I've read all the points. Overpriced bundle, locking a popular hero portrait behind a pay wall when you could get it through a dungeon run or something like it...or priced fair and the portrait is a bonus. This is my 2 cents that I have yet to read someone mention yet...wasn't the pre-order last expansion $50 for 70 packs and card back? In reality they're charging a extra $30 for 10 packs, cosmetic Warlock portrait, and a random legendary, right?
This has been discussed in different threads. :). People who are probably a lot better at math than me have calculated that 20 packs are worth about 2000 dust on average, and a golden legendary is worth 1600 dust always. So it seems to be a bigger difference than it actually is. I also think that just because they choose to have a better promotion once doesn't exactly obligate them to do it every time. In fact they are not obligated to offer any kind of promotion, but that just seems kind of stupid from a business perspective.
Edit: I don't completely agree though, as long as your collection isn't complete, 20 packs is worth a lot more, because epics you still need are worth double the amount of dust since you don't have to craft them anymore.
Skin aside, 80 for 80 is a good deal + 1 Golden Legendary + card back. Its smart and I was hoping they would do something like this.
No it's not. Witchwood they gave you 70 cardpacks for $50. Now you gotta pay $80. How is that a good deal?
Witchwood was the start of a new standard season, and it makes sense they would offer a large promotion at the start of a season to entice players who have left the game to come back. It was explicitly listed as a promotion - not 70 but rather 50 + 20.
As others have said, the golden legendary is worth 1600 dust, and the average dust value of 20 packs is 2000 dust, so this is more like comparing 70 packs to 96 packs, which is still a large jump. Add in the hero skin (which, for the paid skins, is marketed at $10), and you have a pretty good deal for anyone interested in spending money on HS.
I'm sorry, this could be taken as a bit mean spirited but I mean it in the most literal of terms.
If $80 constitutes a "huge paywall" for you, perhaps you have more pressing concerns in your life than the next alternate hero skin.
Blizzard has earned my dollars for many many years dating back to Warcraft 2, and they are the last company in the world I'd be pissed to fund. No one seems to want to say it, but without people buying packs and other offerings, the game does not exist. Furthermore, in what walk of life is it not assumed that spending more money gets you more stuff?
If you plan on buying packs for this expansion, you should buy a bundle (it has the best cost:pack ratio). If you don't . . . perhaps consider saying thank you to the first guy you see rocking mecha - Jaraxxus. That person helped fund the game you seem to care about enough to bitch about pricing models.
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So the deal is $1 per pack for 80 packs a new hero skin a new cardback and a golden leggo (assuming the leggo is additional to the free leggo you get for login (as is tradition). Im going to assume it is.)
versus the most charitable preorder (WW) which was $.71 per pack for 70 packs (29 cent per pack more expensive) a new cardback
Essentially we are paying 30 dollars more for an additional gold leggo, a hero skin (10 dollar "value" in the past), and 10 more packs.
Its still a deal if you pay cash for packs outside of the expansion release period. But its definately not a value on a exclusively per pack basis compared to preorders in the past.
I'm sorry, this could be taken as a bit mean spirited but I mean it in the most literal of terms.
If $80 constitutes a "huge paywall" for you, perhaps you have more pressing concerns in your life than the next alternate hero skin.
Blizzard has earned my dollars for many many years dating back to Warcraft 2, and they are the last company in the world I'd be pissed to fund. No one seems to want to say it, but without people buying packs and other offerings, the game does not exist. Furthermore, in what walk of life is it not assumed that spending more money gets you more stuff?
If you plan on buying packs for this expansion, you should buy a bundle (it has the best cost:pack ratio). If you don't . . . perhaps consider saying thank you to the first guy you see rocking mecha - Jaraxxus. That person helped fund the game you seem to care about enough to bitch about pricing models.
This guy literally hit the nail on the head, I agree with everything he said and I'm not being funny, but without the people who buy bundles like this then the game simply doesn't exist for all you "F2P players" to play. lol
I'm just a salty over the very obvious greed that is showing with offering two different pre-orders in general. I mean there are already people who had what I called the wallet advantage where they would have a filled out collection by the end of the month just from being able to spend more on the game.
Now you don't even need the full month just be willing to drop $150 and you'll be busted right from the get-go. The Cosmetic Skin is just then baiting more people into buying the mega over the original but the real thing you should have a problem with is the fact that you can buy both. If you buy the 50 I think that you should be basically saying I don't care about the Cosmetic Skin or the extra packs (that's me I have 4k gold after the taverns event so im just getting the 50 and 50 with gold) and be locked out of the mega bundle. I ESPECIALLY think the reverse is true if you're buying the mega bundle you should not be able to purchase the original at all.
Lastly I do agree that most of the hero alternates should be done through events or anything else that people who don't have money should be able to accomplish, but your own quote works against itself too. In the end blizzard is a business and regardless of what competition is coming out they want to stay profitable and if that means creating a playable version of a popular character and tossing it into a pre-order they will.
Calm down there, YongYea. You seem to be purposely omitting a thing or two in your opening post, and focusing mostly on negatives that can be taken from this.
Well we're off to a good start if you're gonna call me YongYea. The post is to talk about how bullshit the new preorder is, and the fact a hero portrait is locked behind a $80 limited time paywall, something I'm gonna get to in a bit.
1. Most alternate Heroes have required some sum of money. Don't play like this is a new concept. About half or more of the alternate Heroes have cost people money.
Uhh, no they don't. Three heroes require purchase. (Four if you count Khadgar, but that was for charity.) The rest were earned for free where you had to do something to get them. Liadrin just needs you to reach level 20 in WoW. Morgl you just gotta recruit a friend (or make a smurf account and do it that way.) Even Tyrande you got for free for Twitch Prime has free trials. So only three heroes actually had to be paid for, while the other eight were given for free.
2. This game is free to play. Buying packs and spending money on the game in general helps support the company, who work hard on cards and various designs and missions. This isn't an evil thing. They are a company, a company that wants to make money. What they are offering for $80 is to be expected, and it's a pretty good bundle
Let's be honest, the game used to be free to play. It's become such a grind and so expensive that the new player experience is horrible. Unless you've been playing since 2014 or 2015, it's kinda impossible to be F2P anymore since you just won't have the dust or gold to do it. Why else do you think they stopped doing Adventures and do three expansions a year with 2 class legendaries? It's because they wanna milk the shit out of us as much as possible, and it's why so many people have just flat out quit.
Also, the Mega Bundle is not a good bundle at all. It's $80 for 80 packs, when Witchwood was giving 70 packs for $50. How the fuck is this a better deal?
You're making this out to be worse than it is. Vote with your wallet? This isn't a Battlefront 2 level fiasco.
No one said it was. Now you're strawmanning.
You're whipping up sensationalism and trying to get a rowdy crowd started like all of this is new that they're doing.
Because it is new. This is the first time they've locked a hero behind a $80 preorder paywall, a hero that is very popular no less. Everyone was cool when it was just cardbacks, but hero portraits are a whole nother ballgame. No one liked it when they were being sold for $10, so why would they be happy about one that is limited time and locked to $80.
Are you new to Hearthstone or something? People like skins, and most people who like skins will want Mecha-Jaraxxus because it's another skin.
I want Mecha-Jaraxxus, but I am not paying $80 for him. Don't speak for me.
Not everyone wants to be Gul'dan, and not everyone wants to be Nemsy
So the deal is $1 per pack for 80 packs a new hero skin a new cardback and a golden leggo (assuming the leggo is additional to the free leggo you get for login (as is tradition). Im going to assume it is.)
versus the most charitable preorder (WW) which was $.71 per pack for 70 packs (29 cent per pack more expensive) a new cardback
Essentially we are paying 30 dollars more for an additional gold leggo, a hero skin (10 dollar "value" in the past), and 10 more packs.
Its still a deal if you pay cash for packs outside of the expansion release period. But its definately not a value on a exclusively per pack basis compared to preorders in the past.
I think the math is more favorable than that. If we take your calculation of $10 for the hero, that's $70 for the packs and golden legendary. If a pack is worth ~100 dust (the expected dust value of any single pack), then the golden legendary is worth 16 packs. After accounting for those things, you end up with something closer to .73 per "pack equivalent unit," which is very close to the same deal offered with Witchwood.
The basic bundle is also pretty close to Witchwood value - by the same logic, it's something like .76 per "pack equivalent unit." All are still better than the past 50 for 50 deals.
Man I hate to get a new preorder option next to the option I already had. Now I have to choose if I go for the old option, new option, both or none. That's two times the options I previously had! It's way too much. Blizzard has gone too far!
It would have been better if both bundles were $50 than everyone can just buy the mega bundle and decide if they want to buy both or not. I am definitely buying the mega bundle cuz 80 for 80 is still great I am not sure that I will buy both though. I am annoyed that there are two options.
Calm down there, YongYea. You seem to be purposely omitting a thing or two in your opening post, and focusing mostly on negatives that can be taken from this.
1. Most alternate Heroes have required some sum of money. Don't play like this is a new concept. About half or more of the alternate Heroes have cost people money.
2. This game is free to play. Buying packs and spending money on the game in general helps support the company, who work hard on cards and various designs and missions. This isn't an evil thing. They are a company, a company that wants to make money. What they are offering for $80 is to be expected, and it's a pretty good bundle.
You're making this out to be worse than it is. Vote with your wallet? This isn't a Battlefront 2 level fiasco. You're whipping up sensationalism and trying to get a rowdy crowd started like all of this is new that they're doing. Are you new to Hearthstone or something? People like skins, and most people who like skins will want Mecha-Jaraxxus because it's another skin. Not everyone wants to be Gul'dan, and not everyone wants to be Nemsy.
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I just wish the paywall wasn't there (Or as high) to get what will probaly be the coolest hero to date. Not saying I don't understand it or am arguing against it but I just wish there was another option to getting him.
So you’re saying that they’re greedy so they release things people want behind paywalls, except for that one time they didn’t do that. But that doesn’t count, because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
So basically your problem is that they’re releasing something 100% cosmetic, behind a paywall. And instead of that paywall being really expensive and only getting you the cosmetic, it’s basically a bonus added onto something that was previously in the game.
Mind telling me how exactly this is them being greedy and not you just whining because you can’t get the portrait you wanted?
Voting with my wallet this time, not preordering anything. Last expansion was actually worth it ($43 for 70 packs) + freebies IMO, but I cannot justify it this time, as the flavor doesn't even really interest me that much. The fact that there are 2 preorder options for THIS game seems overly ambitious. I better start saving more gold...
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So the price per pack remains the same with both bundles, but with the mega you get an added bonus... So, I see your point about them trying to make more money, but I don't think it is somehow egregious. Every expansion I preorder and end up spending more on the crappier, non-preorder bundles. With this new bundle, I can buy both and simply be done with buying packs for the expansion. For people who are willing to spend some of their money, this is the best deal we have gotten yet, so it's not egregious or over the line. For people who don't spend money and complain about this, why? You didn't spend money before, continue to not spend money now.
I've read all the points. Overpriced bundle, locking a popular hero portrait behind a pay wall when you could get it through a dungeon run or something like it...or priced fair and the portrait is a bonus. This is my 2 cents that I have yet to read someone mention yet...wasn't the pre-order last expansion $50 for 70 packs and card back? In reality they're charging a extra $30 for 10 packs, cosmetic Warlock portrait, and a random legendary, right?
I do miss the 50 packs for 40 bucks, which was the deal when I started playing. I swore myself to never spend money in this game since they jacked the prices, and this time, they do break my balls for the first time.
I was pissed at people flashing the eye card back back in WotOG, now Jaraxxus will be the new thing that grind my gears.
There have been plenty of "pay only" skins for $10 (Magni, Medivh, Alleria). If you count Mecha-Jaraxxus at the same value, you're getting 80 packs for $70 dollars, which is probably the second best pre-release deal they've done (the 70 for 50 in Witchwood was better). On top of that, they're giving a second, standard option for the pre-release if you are typically happy to spend a bit on an expansion but don't want to be shoehorned into the new $80 bundle.
If you don't want to spend the money, don't spend the money. Blizzard isn't forcing you to spend money, and the Hero is a totally cosmetic change to the game. It's ridiculous to call this some "trick" simply because players will want the skin and will be willing to fork over the money - Blizzard is a business and will obviously try to present customers with enticing products because if they don't, they can't make any money off of Hearthstone.
This whole change is pretty unsurprising. The $50/$80 split for a standard and deluxe bundle for a game is pretty common in the industry, and having Blizzard use that same model for HS expansions makes a lot of sense.
This has been discussed in different threads. :). People who are probably a lot better at math than me have calculated that 20 packs are worth about 2000 dust on average, and a golden legendary is worth 1600 dust always. So it seems to be a bigger difference than it actually is. I also think that just because they choose to have a better promotion once doesn't exactly obligate them to do it every time. In fact they are not obligated to offer any kind of promotion, but that just seems kind of stupid from a business perspective.
Edit: I don't completely agree though, as long as your collection isn't complete, 20 packs is worth a lot more, because epics you still need are worth double the amount of dust since you don't have to craft them anymore.
No it's not. Witchwood they gave you 70 cardpacks for $50. Now you gotta pay $80. How is that a good deal?
Witchwood was the start of a new standard season, and it makes sense they would offer a large promotion at the start of a season to entice players who have left the game to come back. It was explicitly listed as a promotion - not 70 but rather 50 + 20.
As others have said, the golden legendary is worth 1600 dust, and the average dust value of 20 packs is 2000 dust, so this is more like comparing 70 packs to 96 packs, which is still a large jump. Add in the hero skin (which, for the paid skins, is marketed at $10), and you have a pretty good deal for anyone interested in spending money on HS.
I'm sorry, this could be taken as a bit mean spirited but I mean it in the most literal of terms.
If $80 constitutes a "huge paywall" for you, perhaps you have more pressing concerns in your life than the next alternate hero skin.
Blizzard has earned my dollars for many many years dating back to Warcraft 2, and they are the last company in the world I'd be pissed to fund. No one seems to want to say it, but without people buying packs and other offerings, the game does not exist. Furthermore, in what walk of life is it not assumed that spending more money gets you more stuff?
If you plan on buying packs for this expansion, you should buy a bundle (it has the best cost:pack ratio). If you don't . . . perhaps consider saying thank you to the first guy you see rocking mecha - Jaraxxus. That person helped fund the game you seem to care about enough to bitch about pricing models.
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So the deal is
$1 per pack for 80 packs
a new hero skin
a new cardback
and a golden leggo (assuming the leggo is additional to the free leggo you get for login (as is tradition). Im going to assume it is.)
versus the most charitable preorder (WW) which was
$.71 per pack for 70 packs (29 cent per pack more expensive)
a new cardback
Essentially we are paying 30 dollars more for an additional gold leggo, a hero skin (10 dollar "value" in the past), and 10 more packs.
Its still a deal if you pay cash for packs outside of the expansion release period. But its definately not a value on a exclusively per pack basis compared to preorders in the past.
This guy literally hit the nail on the head, I agree with everything he said and I'm not being funny, but without the people who buy bundles like this then the game simply doesn't exist for all you "F2P players" to play. lol
Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.
I'm just a salty over the very obvious greed that is showing with offering two different pre-orders in general. I mean there are already people who had what I called the wallet advantage where they would have a filled out collection by the end of the month just from being able to spend more on the game.
Now you don't even need the full month just be willing to drop $150 and you'll be busted right from the get-go. The Cosmetic Skin is just then baiting more people into buying the mega over the original but the real thing you should have a problem with is the fact that you can buy both. If you buy the 50 I think that you should be basically saying I don't care about the Cosmetic Skin or the extra packs (that's me I have 4k gold after the taverns event so im just getting the 50 and 50 with gold) and be locked out of the mega bundle. I ESPECIALLY think the reverse is true if you're buying the mega bundle you should not be able to purchase the original at all.
Lastly I do agree that most of the hero alternates should be done through events or anything else that people who don't have money should be able to accomplish, but your own quote works against itself too. In the end blizzard is a business and regardless of what competition is coming out they want to stay profitable and if that means creating a playable version of a popular character and tossing it into a pre-order they will.
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Well we're off to a good start if you're gonna call me YongYea. The post is to talk about how bullshit the new preorder is, and the fact a hero portrait is locked behind a $80 limited time paywall, something I'm gonna get to in a bit.
Uhh, no they don't. Three heroes require purchase. (Four if you count Khadgar, but that was for charity.) The rest were earned for free where you had to do something to get them. Liadrin just needs you to reach level 20 in WoW. Morgl you just gotta recruit a friend (or make a smurf account and do it that way.) Even Tyrande you got for free for Twitch Prime has free trials. So only three heroes actually had to be paid for, while the other eight were given for free.
Let's be honest, the game used to be free to play. It's become such a grind and so expensive that the new player experience is horrible. Unless you've been playing since 2014 or 2015, it's kinda impossible to be F2P anymore since you just won't have the dust or gold to do it. Why else do you think they stopped doing Adventures and do three expansions a year with 2 class legendaries? It's because they wanna milk the shit out of us as much as possible, and it's why so many people have just flat out quit.
Also, the Mega Bundle is not a good bundle at all. It's $80 for 80 packs, when Witchwood was giving 70 packs for $50. How the fuck is this a better deal?
No one said it was. Now you're strawmanning.
Because it is new. This is the first time they've locked a hero behind a $80 preorder paywall, a hero that is very popular no less. Everyone was cool when it was just cardbacks, but hero portraits are a whole nother ballgame. No one liked it when they were being sold for $10, so why would they be happy about one that is limited time and locked to $80.
I want Mecha-Jaraxxus, but I am not paying $80 for him. Don't speak for me.
2/10. Try harder Blizzshill.
I think the math is more favorable than that. If we take your calculation of $10 for the hero, that's $70 for the packs and golden legendary. If a pack is worth ~100 dust (the expected dust value of any single pack), then the golden legendary is worth 16 packs. After accounting for those things, you end up with something closer to .73 per "pack equivalent unit," which is very close to the same deal offered with Witchwood.
The basic bundle is also pretty close to Witchwood value - by the same logic, it's something like .76 per "pack equivalent unit." All are still better than the past 50 for 50 deals.
Stop preordering video games.
It would have been better if both bundles were $50 than everyone can just buy the mega bundle and decide if they want to buy both or not. I am definitely buying the mega bundle cuz 80 for 80 is still great I am not sure that I will buy both though. I am annoyed that there are two options.
Well I mean, they must do for people keep buying them. Why else do you think Casinowatch keeps pushing loot boxes?