Man, it must suck to be poor and not have $80 to splash. I wish I could relate. Just kidding lol I love being able to look down on the poor.
The bundle is a good deal. I see nothing wrong with it and if I wasn't going to have at least 8K gold and close to 9K dust (all F2P) on release day I would do it. I don't care about cosmetic stuff, but I think 80 packs is the right amount for each expansion and that value is hard to pass up.
You're really lucky the forums don't have a dislike button.
I don't understand the argument. They are giving you more options than before. You still have the same 50-for-50 as before. Now, if you don't like that bundle, fine, that's an argument to be made, but that's not what the OP is complaining about. Blizz gave you a second bundle. Buy it if you like it. Don't buy it if you don't like it, and you're no different than before.
Look at this way, Blizz is giving you options for those who don't mind spending money on the game:
- 50 for 50 and a golden legendary
- 80 for 80 and a golden legendary + hero
- 130 for 130 for 2 golden legendaries and a hero
Pick which one you want, you have more options than before. If you think one is bad, DON'T BUY IT. Last I checked, having more options are a good thing.
So there's been a lot of the same comments in this thread just boggle my mind. There are people actually defending this awful bundle. So I'm gonna address every frequent comment that I've been seeing.
It's a good deal! 80 packs for $80!
First of all, it's asinine to even preorder loot boxes to begin with, but on face value, $80 for 80 packs does sound good when usually the preorders are 50 packs for $50. However, all that became null and void when the Witchwood came out. Witchwood's preorder wasn't the usual 50 packs for $50, it was 70 packs! The moment they did that bundle, a bundle a lot of people loved might I add, it makes the other preorder bundles look like shit in comparison.
Not only that, but $80 for what is ultimately a preorder for loot boxes is absurd. You know what could be done with $80? You could get a shitload of Steam games, games that are not on sale, right now, and still have money left over. You could get two $40 Nintendo Switch games. Ultimately, $80 for 80 packs is pretty crazy. 100 packs or more would've been better, or maybe include some more Golden Legendaries. Speaking of...
But you get a Golden Legendary in the Mega Bundle, which becomes any Legendary you want!
You also get one in the normal $50 preorder as well, making that part of the bundle ultimately irrelevant.
The hero portrait is ugly anyway!
Okay, what does that have to do with it? That's pretty subjective.
You're not entitled to the hero portrait anyway!
Ah yes, the classic "entitled" argument. The ultimate strawman of any shill when they can't think of any else to say.
Who cares? It's just cosmetic
Then why do Casinowatch loot boxes sell like hotcakes? Why did people make a big deal about Nemsy? Guess it's not "just cosmetic" or else people wouldn't give a shit about them. Cosmetics are fun, they let people look differently, and that's why people like them. But besides, that, is for the past two years we were getting this shit for free. When the $10 hero portraits weren't selling, Actiblizz gave them out for free instead as rewards, and people really liked that. Now we have a hero portrait that is locked behind a limited time $80 preorder paywall, so once the preorder is gone that hero portrait cannot be earned anymore. They know people really want Mecha-Jaraxxus since Jaraxxus is one of the most popular Hearthstone characters, and people want Warlock portraits, so they made him a preorder incentive. GET HIM BEFORE HE'S GONE FOREVER!
The argument ultimately is more about the fact the hero portrait is locked to the $80 preorder. I could make the argument all day that it's a waste to preorder loot boxes and how the Mega Bundle is not so Mega, but the fact of the matter is a hero portrait is locked behind a steep preorder paywall. Why is that a big deal? Because we've been getting them for free for the past two years, and if people buy this (Which most likely they will judging from the comments I'm seeing here and on Reddit) then ActiBlizz will start doing more of these "Mega Bundles." Hero portraits will become locked to preorders and we won't get them for free anymore, for these bundles will make so much money, and because people didn't stop and say "no."
I agree with you that the $80 bundle is awful, but ONLY because the majority of the emotes are repurposed parts of the Lord Jaraxxus minion. There are very few differences with the emotes between when you're the Lord and when you're the Mech. However, the extra $30 you're spending does allow for you to maintain the total amount you're saving on each individual pack. Not to mention, pity timers for Legendaries will get pinged down on the constant when the total you're opening is as high as 80-130 (you can order both bundles).
Again, goes back to what I said about the Witchwood. We got 70 packs for $50. That changes everything now that we have a different kind of bundle now, a better bundle in the expansion prior. But again, it goes back to what I said earlier: You're preordering fucking loot boxes. The so called return value is very minimal in the grand scheme of things, and we have no idea how the expansion is gonna turn out. People preordered Grand Tournament, and that expansion sucked balls, same with Witchwood since most of the cards are terrible. You're buying into something you know nothing about and supporting a terrible business practice. You need to stop it. You really do.
Card packs vs. Buying games through Steam or for your console
You can easily get tired of the games you purchase.
You have got to be fucking kidding me. You're really going to use that strawman? You can get tired of literally anything you buy, not exclusive to games. But I would think $80 for a bunch of video games would be a much better deal than $80 on loot boxes where you're not guaranteed anything good from them.
With cards and card packs, you can't even play some of the decks you want to make without certain cards. The difference? Buying card packs helps you actually play the game more, and if you're going to be dedicated to this game, having more cards means you have more game.
The chances for epics and legendaries are very small, and on average 50-80 cardpacks will get you about five or seven legendaries, IF you're lucky. But with how every expansion has two class legendaries now you need so much just to stay ahead and play the big decks due to a lot of cards now in Wild.
But you won't acknowledge this side of it because it doesn't work for you, just like how you haven't acknowledged any of the positives of these bundles. Positivity doesn't work when you're trying to spin something negatively.
Again, preordering loot boxes, which F2Ps don't even do. And again, goes back to what I said about this game being too expensive now.
Golden Legendary in the Mega Bundle
Yes, it's true, you get one in the MB, but you also get one if you spend $30 less.
Literally what I said.
People are drawn to Mecha Jaraxxus for the same reason you are. However, you still would like to null and void Blizzardvision's attempt at giving customers a little more for spending a little more.
I wouldn't call a hero portrait a reward for "spending a little more" when the original three cost $10, and again, we have been getting this shit for free. By that logic, why isn't M-J in the regular preorder? The cardback is, but not the hero itself.
You made a statement concerning how M-J is an alternate Hero we'd never see again. You don't know this for a fact, so stop promoting it as such.
Where's Khadgar then? Where's Tyrande? Both of these were limited time heroes exclusive to something. Khadgar was exclusive to purchase for iOS users for the Apps for Earth charity. People were pissed about that. Blizzard promised he would return. To this day, he has yet to return at all, only appearing as a reward for Chinese players.
Tyrande, a reward for Twitch Prime users. Very few players could actually get her, leaving the majority of Hearthstone players in the dust. She has only appeared one time, and again, for China.
Blizzard themselves even said they have no plans to make Mecha-Jaraxxus available another way. They don't bring hero portraits back, and they won't bring M-J back.
Entitlement
You don't need Mecha Jaraxxus to play as Warlock.
Neither did you need Nemsy, but people still bitched about her, and rightfully so. People want Warlock portraits. It is what it is.
You are trying to argue that Blizzard's way is wrong because it's hard for you to get the alternate Hero.
Well I am the consumer. The customer is always right.
Blizzard has to monetize their game wherever they can. Not going to say this is the right way to do it, but you come across as entitled with a lot of this post by telling people Blizzard should do things your way and make something that they made special for the upcoming expansion more accessible.
You see, I get this argument from Blizzshills all the time. They try to make these bad deals out to be a good thing, and try to silence any and all criticism. They've done it with Casinowatch's loot boxes, they've done it with Diablo 3 and what a dumpster fire that game was, and they're doing what you're doing now. You're literally proving my point right.
If you like this game enough that you want unnecessary additions, you support Blizzard in their effort to bring more content by spending money or getting a code from someone that has a few codes lying around, like a streamer. They don't need to make M-J more accessible just because you want them to. This is why people are calling you entitled. You are not owed an easier method of getting M-J.
Again, I'm the consumer. You're the consumer. Everyone on Hearthpwn is the consumer. We're the ones who buy the product, so when we see something that isn't right, we complain about it and not buy it. When hero portraits were first announced, they were $10. The consumer thought that was outrageous to pay $10 for a gif (and rightfully so.) So all future hero portraits from then on were free, offered as rewards for doing quest like things, and people really enjoyed that. But now, we got a portrait that isn't free, and ultimately costs $80. (Before you say "but you also get cardpacks and a legendary" do you think people care? They just want Jaraxxus, plain and simple. They don't care about that other shit.)
Look at it another way: Remember Call of Duty Modern Warfare Remastered? ActiBlizz originally locked the CoD4 remake behind a $80 paywall as well. Had to buy the deluxe version of Infinite Warfare, a game they didn't want, just to get the game they wanted. Why should you pay $80 on something you don't want, just to get something you do want? That's why it's bullshit Jaraxxus is locked to this preorder. But moreso then that, is the fact we used to get shit like this for free!
The Cosmetic Argument
In your own post, you ask and answer your own question. "Then why do Casinowatch loot boxes sell like hotcakes? Cosmetics are fun, they let people look differently, and that's why people like them." They are fun, but they are NOT required for you to play.
And again, why do loot boxes sell so well then? OW players obsess over skins. TF2 players obsess over skins. CSGO players obsess over skins. They aren't required to play, but so many people still give a shit about them though, a big shit.
I mentioned before and I'll mention again, M-J's emotes are almost 100% repurposed emotes from the Lord Jaraxxus minion card. It's not worth it in my opinion.
I wouldn't really call these lines repurposed. They sound pretty original to me. But hey, what do I know? After all according to you, I'm entitled. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Again, you don't know for certain that it's exclusive to this bundle, so stop telling people it is.
I'm getting really fucking tired of repeating myself.
I will say, it makes sense that these bundles are being rolled out, what with Activision getting involved. My friend and I had a conversation about this pairing, with Activision getting involved. Part of the reason Activision is partnered with Blizzard is because Blizzard isn't doing the best financially.
Blizzard was doing just fine before the Activision merger. They owned WoW, made Warcraft III, and had Starcraft Brood War and were working on Starcraft II. The Activision merger completely changed how Blizzard behaved as a company, and it's why all their talent is now gone.
When a company partners with another company, it has a lot to do with the money side of things. Partnerships only happen when one company needs hand from another in order to be pulled from the depths and avoid drowning. This is just another attempt at a COMPANY trying to make MONEY, which is what companies try to do in order to stay alive.
They're making billions from this game, and Casinowatch. I think they're doing just fine. This $80 bundle just comes off as greedy, just like how there's three expansions now. Gotta milk those pack sales before Artifact and Gwent 1.0 show up.
I expect you to cower like you have and keep away from responding to this response. Place your bets, people.
Nice to see you again.
You need to stop it. You really do.
Are you sure about that? People have up until before the expansion drops to pre-order. It's been like this for the longest time, and people have been pre-ordering bundles since bundles became a thing. It's up to the consumer to decide if it's a good idea to pre-order or not. There's a window of time for a reason, of course. It does seem absurd to pre-order before everything is revealed, but there's not a whole lot wrong with it. Sure, it could set a bad precedent, but it doesn't always mean it works out like that.
You have got to be fucking kidding me. You're really going to use that strawman? You can get tired of literally anything you buy, not exclusive to games. But I would think $80 for a bunch of video games would be a much better deal than $80 on loot boxes where you're not guaranteed anything good from them.
The chances for epics and legendaries are very small, and on average 50-80 cardpacks will get you about five or seven legendaries, IF you're lucky. But with how every expansion has two class legendaries now you need so much just to stay ahead and play the big decks due to a lot of cards now in Wild.
That silly ol' buzzword again, "strawman". I present an opinion, then you present an opinion. That's how many conversations work. Welcome to the internet.
Pre-ordering/spending $80 on cards for a game is how card games have been for the longest time. I have to wonder, what card game did you start with, and when did you forget that spending money on cards meant you can continue to play that card game? Packs of cards have been notorious for being a gamble. It's always been a gamble, whether it be physical or digital. This is not a new thing. I remember reading in the newspaper when I was younger about how kids were beating each other within an inch of their life in school bathrooms over Pokemon cards. Valuable cards are hard to get. That's just how it is, and Hearthstone is no stranger.
Again, preordering loot boxes, which F2Ps don't even do. And again, goes back to what I said about this game being too expensive now.
People enjoy opening packs. That's part of the reason the pre-orders happen. This game, just like MTG, will be next to impossible to make affordable. That's how card games are. With Hearthstone, you either make gold or buy packs. With MTG, you buy packs or singles. Consider yourself lucky this isn't MTG.
I wouldn't call a hero portrait a reward for "spending a little more" when the original three cost $10, and again, we have been getting this shit for free. By that logic, why isn't M-J in the regular preorder? The cardback is, but not the hero itself.
You wouldn't call a Hero portrait a reward for spending a little more? What would you call the tier list rewards for donating a little more to a crowdfunded project? Same deal just about. It depends on how you look at getting to spend $30 more to save money on packs and getting M-J as a bonus. It's called an incentive for a reason.
Where's Khadgar then? Where's Tyrande? Both of these were limited time heroes exclusive to something. Khadgar was exclusive to purchase for iOS users for the Apps for Earth charity. People were pissed about that. Blizzard promised he would return. To this day, he has yet to return at all, only appearing as a reward for Chinese players.
Tyrande, a reward for Twitch Prime users. Very few players could actually get her, leaving the majority of Hearthstone players in the dust. She has only appeared one time, and again, for China.
Blizzard themselves even said they have no plans to make Mecha-Jaraxxus available another way. They don't bring hero portraits back, and they won't bring M-J back.
They've shown us that they're willing to bring alternate Heroes back. You've presented enough for us to have knowledge of this.
Where did Blizzard state they wouldn't make M-J available again? If I had seen that detail before, I wouldn't have mentioned twice that you don't know for sure. A link would be really handy.
Neither did you need Nemsy, but people still bitched about her, and rightfully so. People want Warlock portraits. It is what it is.
I don't have any of the alternate Heroes but a few of the free ones. I don't care about them. I can still play the game with no issue without them, and so can you. And yeah, it was a pain in the ass to get some of the alternate Heroes, but people did what they needed to get them, pain or not. Just like then, they'll do it now with M-J if they care enough.
Well I am the consumer. The customer is always right.
This is why people kill themselves from work related stress. People like you think you're right because you have money. Money doesn't make someone correct. How very naive of you...
You see, I get this argument from Blizzshills all the time. They try to make these bad deals out to be a good thing, and try to silence any and all criticism. They've done it with Casinowatch's loot boxes, they've done it with Diablo 3 and what a dumpster fire that game was, and they're doing what you're doing now. You're literally proving my point right.
I can tell you didn't read my first response to you. God, you're lazy. Not a shill. I don't care about Blizzard much. I just like their card game. I don't play their other games, and don't care to support them except with the occasional Hearthstone thing or two. Trying to silence you? No, my friend. I've been sticking here with you to talk to you more about this, whether you like it or not. I have no intentions of seeing you silenced. I'm merely addressing your one-sided view of things at every step, holding you to scrutiny wherever possible as you have been with us, and conceding to points that I can't help but agree with. Don't underestimate your company.
Again, I'm the consumer. You're the consumer. Everyone on Hearthpwn is the consumer. We're the ones who buy the product, so when we see something that isn't right, we complain about it and not buy it. When hero portraits were first announced, they were $10. The consumer thought that was outrageous to pay $10 for a gif (and rightfully so.) So all future hero portraits from then on were free, offered as rewards for doing quest like things, and people really enjoyed that. But now, we got a portrait that isn't free, and ultimately costs $80. (Before you say "but you also get cardpacks and a legendary" do you think people care? They just want Jaraxxus, plain and simple. They don't care about that other shit.)
Look at it another way: Remember Call of Duty Modern Warfare Remastered? ActiBlizz originally locked the CoD4 remake behind a $80 paywall as well. Had to buy the deluxe version of Infinite Warfare, a game they didn't want, just to get the game they wanted. Why should you pay $80 on something you don't want, just to get something you do want? That's why it's bullshit Jaraxxus is locked to this preorder. But moreso then that, is the fact we used to get shit like this for free!
Not all Heroes beyond the first three have been free. Delusions about, oh boy, oh joy.
As I've mentioned before, I don't care for Jaraxxus and I'd still pick up both bundles, just because I could. I mentioned how pity timers are also continually pinged by people opening packs. You can get more by spending more. I love this card game. If I can get packs at reduced prices, why not? I don't care for the card back or the alternate Hero. I just want packs, m'dude. People don't just care about M-J, and people aren't spending $80 for solely that reason. It's silly to ignore reduced pack prices in bulk to further push this idea of yours.
Even though some of the content has been free, you shouldn't expect all content to be free. You shouldn't lead yourself to believe things will always be the same. It brings disappointment. I do agree, M-J should've been something you could earn. Can't argue with you on that.
And again, why do loot boxes sell so well then? OW players obsess over skins. TF2 players obsess over skins. CSGO players obsess over skins. They aren't required to play, but so many people still give a shit about them though, a big shit.
The desire for cosmetics is part of human nature. Whether or not you fully embrace/repress that part of yourself, it doesn't justify forcing Blizzard to change the attempt they're making here. Using desire as reasoning to make M-J easier to obtain signifies heavily that you are, in fact, entitled.
I wouldn't really call these lines repurposed. They sound pretty original to me. But hey, what do I know? After all according to you, I'm entitled. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Referencing the fact that I call you entitled has no relevance regarding repurposed voice lines. I've listened to the voice lines. Streamer and Youtuber Savjz uploaded gameplay with the Hero enabled. Most of the lines are repurposed.
I'm getting really fucking tired of repeating myself.
OH, there's a link. I asked for one earlier. Ignore that request. If this is it, cool. Thank you for that. Also, if you get "really fucking tired of repeating" yourself, maybe don't address the same thing twice? You're making this harder on yourself than you need to.
Blizzard was doing just fine before the Activision merger. They owned WoW, made Warcraft III, and had Starcraft Brood War and were working on Starcraft II. The Activision merger completely changed how Blizzard behaved as a company, and it's why all their talent is now gone.
They're making billions from this game, and Casinowatch. I think they're doing just fine. This $80 bundle just comes off as greedy, just like how there's three expansions now. Gotta milk those pack sales before Artifact and Gwent 1.0 show up.
You do know it costs a lot to run servers, right? With as many games as they have, the many regions, all the data, upkeep costs more than you might know. Unless you've been on the inside of a business meeting, you can't expect to speak as though you've seen their quarterly reports. "You need to stop it. You really do."
Anyway, it's nice to see you come out of hiding finally. I challenged you to come out because you haven't really been responding at all. You've been running around and hitting up comments with upvotes. Managed to even put an edit out there to your first comment here. Was waiting for you to address some of us.
I await your return, unless you want to silence yourself to try looking like more of a victim.
Man, it must suck to be poor and not have $80 to splash. I wish I could relate. Just kidding lol I love being able to look down on the poor.
The bundle is a good deal. I see nothing wrong with it and if I wasn't going to have at least 8K gold and close to 9K dust (all F2P) on release day I would do it. I don't care about cosmetic stuff, but I think 80 packs is the right amount for each expansion and that value is hard to pass up.
You're really lucky the forums don't have a dislike button.
The irony is astounding. You really lack self-awareness. You've got to be a teenager right?
Well, I always see this game as 60 € per month to play. The only annoying thing was to figure out what this game actually costs if you want to have access to everything. Of course you can say it's a lot of money and if those other games you mentioned are worth more to you then you can go for that. Are they trying to "milk" this game? Of course, but every company does that as much as possible, at least the "successful" ones. Every "successful" company is basically corrupt to the degree it "screws" their customers to the point where they still feel okay with the "exploitation", but the company gets the most profit out of it. In the grand scheme of things you're basically complaining that you can't use a fireball to just warm things up instead of completly burning them (from the flavor text of Fireball: This spell is useful for burning things. If you're looking for spells that toast things, or just warm them a little, you're in the wrong place.). It was never meant or designed to do what you would like to (and me also, to be fair). Every "good" company is inherently anti-consumer just like in a competition (like the regular game of Hearthstone) you are inherently "anti-opponent". "Voting with your wallet" will be as effective as the normal (political) voting: It won't do anything (or at best very little), because it's the same underlying system. People are still "incentivized" to "exploit" you as much as is bearable to you. Corruption is not some outgrowth of this system, but totally normal since everything is based on narrow self-interest. I do understand you, but as long as there is this "need for trade" (money exchange) there will always be people trying to take advantage of you. That's just how the "game" works. The best you can do is to turn it around with crowdfunding, but there is not much hope that will ever happen with a huge "successful" company like Blizzard/Activision, and it's especially unlikely with a game like Hearthstone since for some people it's about collecting stuff which basially would have to go since everything would be for free. Although I'm sure you could implement some sort of progression system like with the old adventures in which you got cards if you defeated bosses. Yes, I would really like to see that: Crowdfunding with some progression system. But how can this be achieved? Certainly not by "voting with your wallet". That's always the thing about "voting with your wallet": In the extreme case of noone speding anything anymore they would just abandon this project and that's it. So, is there really much choice if you want to keep the game alive? No, not much. Also think of the people behind it. The CEOs, etc. certainly wouldn't make much of a cut by themselves, but rather by some employees. It just doesn't work. It cannot work. The best you can do is to help other people as much as possible so they can also help other people and so forth until those making the game "are helped" in a way like crowdfunding, so they don't have to rely on "selling their shit". It's really the only way I can see it, even though it seems almost impossible, especially with the limitations of the current system. But I still have hope...
Dude, I am sure you are making great points, but can you please throw some paragraphs in here so I can read this?
They’re gonna milk this game as much as possible until Artifact and Gwent 1.0 comes out aren’t they? It was bad enough that they were charging $50 to preorder loot boxes, but now there’s a second preorder option, the Mega Bundle.
For those who don’t know, the regular preorder bundle is $50, and comes with 50 cardpacks, the Mecha-Jaraxxus cardback, and a free golden legendary card.
Now the Mega Bundle on the other hand is $80! What do you get for 80? You still get the cardback and golden legendary, but instead of 50 cardpacks you get 80, as well as an alternate Warlock hero portrait: Mecha-Jaraxxus.
That’s it. That’s all you get. For $30 more dollars you get a few more glorified loot boxes and a skin. $80 for a hero portrait, and it’s one that the majority of people will want too. This is beyond ridiculous. For two years they have been offering hero portraits for free where we had to do something to get them, like play WoW, or go to a Fireside Gathering, or beat Frozen Throne. They were all great. But now, they’ve locked a skin of a very popular character behind a $80 preorder paywall, that once the expansion launches you can’t get it anymore. They also said there are no plans to rerelease Mecha-Jaraxxus, so anyone who wanted to get that skin are out of luck.
I cannot fathom how ludicrous this is. $80 and all they’re offering is a skin, a skin that is highly popular. I know why they did it too, because they know people love Jaraxxus so they made him an expensive preorder bonus.
I beg you, do not buy this Mega Bundle. Vote with your wallet. Show ActiBlizz this is too far and horribly anti-consumer.
EDIT
So there's been a lot of the same comments in this thread just boggle my mind. There are people actually defending this awful bundle. So I'm gonna address every frequent comment that I've been seeing.
It's a good deal! 80 packs for $80!
First of all, it's asinine to even preorder loot boxes to begin with, but on face value, $80 for 80 packs does sound good when usually the preorders are 50 packs for $50. However, all that became null and void when the Witchwood came out. Witchwood's preorder wasn't the usual 50 packs for $50, it was 70 packs! The moment they did that bundle, a bundle a lot of people loved might I add, it makes the other preorder bundles look like shit in comparison.
Not only that, but $80 for what is ultimately a preorder for loot boxes is absurd. You know what could be done with $80? You could get a shitload of Steam games, games that are not on sale, right now, and still have money left over. You could get two $40 Nintendo Switch games. Ultimately, $80 for 80 packs is pretty crazy. 100 packs or more would've been better, or maybe include some more Golden Legendaries. Speaking of...
But you get a Golden Legendary in the Mega Bundle, which becomes any Legendary you want!
You also get one in the normal $50 preorder as well, making that part of the bundle ultimately irrelevant.
The hero portrait is ugly anyway!
Okay, what does that have to do with it? That's pretty subjective.
You're not entitled to the hero portrait anyway!
Ah yes, the classic "entitled" argument. The ultimate strawman of any shill when they can't think of any else to say.
Who cares? It's just cosmetic
Then why do Casinowatch loot boxes sell like hotcakes? Why did people make a big deal about Nemsy? Guess it's not "just cosmetic" or else people wouldn't give a shit about them. Cosmetics are fun, they let people look differently, and that's why people like them. But besides, that, is for the past two years we were getting this shit for free. When the $10 hero portraits weren't selling, Actiblizz gave them out for free instead as rewards, and people really liked that. Now we have a hero portrait that is locked behind a limited time $80 preorder paywall, so once the preorder is gone that hero portrait cannot be earned anymore. They know people really want Mecha-Jaraxxus since Jaraxxus is one of the most popular Hearthstone characters, and people want Warlock portraits, so they made him a preorder incentive. GET HIM BEFORE HE'S GONE FOREVER!
The argument ultimately is more about the fact the hero portrait is locked to the $80 preorder. I could make the argument all day that it's a waste to preorder loot boxes and how the Mega Bundle is not so Mega, but the fact of the matter is a hero portrait is locked behind a steep preorder paywall. Why is that a big deal? Because we've been getting them for free for the past two years, and if people buy this (Which most likely they will judging from the comments I'm seeing here and on Reddit) then ActiBlizz will start doing more of these "Mega Bundles." Hero portraits will become locked to preorders and we won't get them for free anymore, for these bundles will make so much money, and because people didn't stop and say "no."
Oh yeah all they did was spend time, money and effort into making it so obviously it should be free. “$80 and all they’re offering is a skin”, did they remove the 80packs and golden legendary for the bundle? “Witchwood's preorder wasn't the usual 50 packs for $50, it was 70 packs!“, because Witchwood was the first set in the new rotation and making the packs ‘cheaper’ is good way to get players invested into buying future bundles in the rotation, they did it because they had an actual incentive to do it. “Not only that, but $80 for what is ultimately a preorder for loot boxes is absurd“, so just because something is a loot box it means it’s worthless appearently? But the packs have a minimum garanteed value and Activision-Blizzard have never claimed that they would contain anything above that minimum value except in cases where the pity timer is triggered. “$80 for 80 packs is pretty crazy”, yeah it is that’s why it also includes the hero portrait and the golden legendary.” You also get one in the normal $50 preorder as well, making that part of the bundle ultimately irrelevant.”, True. “Okay, what does that have to do with it? That's pretty subjective.”, Also true. “Ah yes, the classic "entitled" argument. The ultimate strawman of any shill when they can't think of any else to say”, are you actually countering a strawman argument with your own strawman argument??? “Guess it's not "just cosmetic" or else people wouldn't give a shit about them.”, woah I didn’t realise that people’s feelings change facts now the hero portrait is in fact actually just cosmetic I don’t even see how this is an argument. “and if people buy this (Which most likely they will judging from the comments I'm seeing here and on Reddit)”, it’s because most of us live in a society where we actually compensate each for the work that we do.
Ultimately your argument boils down to “I should get the thing for free because I want it” and don’t even dare say it’s because you supported the game it’s not like you played hearthstone out of the kindness of your heart you played it cause you wanted to simple as that
I found something interesting. OP here is trying to tell people Mecha Jaraxxus won't see a possible re-release in the future like other Heroes have. Hold on a moment, while I catch you by your toes, lying to make your argument look better. Nicely done, OP.
It says nothing about the Mega Bundle being the ONLY way to ever unlock him. Please stop playing games. "You need to stop it. You really do."
stoooop complaining about the price!!!! if you want to complain about price PLAY SHADOWVERSE OR ELDER SCROLLS LEGENDS. nobody gives a fuck about your inability to make money.
I found something interesting. OP here is trying to tell people Mecha Jaraxxus won't see a possible re-release in the future like other Heroes have. Hold on a moment, while I catch you by your toes, lying to make your argument look better. Nicely done, OP.
It says nothing about the Mega Bundle being the ONLY way to ever unlock him. Please stop playing games. "You need to stop it. You really do."
They said the same thing about Khadgar and Tyrande. It's the same cookie cutter response they always give.
I found something interesting. OP here is trying to tell people Mecha Jaraxxus won't see a possible re-release in the future like other Heroes have. Hold on a moment, while I catch you by your toes, lying to make your argument look better. Nicely done, OP.
It says nothing about the Mega Bundle being the ONLY way to ever unlock him. Please stop playing games. "You need to stop it. You really do."
Quoting this last comment to help further emphasize something important here. Part of OP's argument is that the Mecha Jaraxxus skin is a limited time only item. We've all seen a number of times that Hero skins become available again from time to time. Mecha Jaraxxus will likely make a return in the future. As always, nothing about the future is ever really a guarantee. I address this part specifically because limited time items like M-J here catch the attention of many people a number of times. Limited time items bring in more money from time to time, and while spending $80 to have access currently doesn't feel the best, knowing that a shot at the skin in the future helps. This bolded part helps illustrate the strongest part about OP's argument. This is the part that he's hoping to bank off of. I'm just glad I was able to view something that disproves the idea that you'll never see the skin again if you don't get it while it's currently available. Please keep this all in mind while moving forward.
I found something interesting. OP here is trying to tell people Mecha Jaraxxus won't see a possible re-release in the future like other Heroes have. Hold on a moment, while I catch you by your toes, lying to make your argument look better. Nicely done, OP.
It says nothing about the Mega Bundle being the ONLY way to ever unlock him. Please stop playing games. "You need to stop it. You really do."
They said the same thing about Khadgar and Tyrande. It's the same cookie cutter response they always give.
Yes, and the future still permits opportunities for currently unavailable items to become available once again. Many games do this. Get it now or get it later. This is nothing new.
Using inductive reasoning, one can only ever produce a probability for a given conclusion, never certainty. You can say: "It is likely, given Blizzard's previous record, that the hero will not be obtainable another way." You cannot say: "Blizzard will certainly never offer the hero another way."
Some car manufacturers sell cars at prices like 30,000 Euros or even 60,000 Euros or even higher, I can't believe how far they can go!
But then I realize that some people can actually afford this kind of car and enjoy spending their money however they see fit. Myself, I enjoy my Fiat Punto, it still takes me where I want to go.
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It's not a cosmetic skin that I want at all, actually or really. Warlock is a class I dislike playing as or against, and I'm happy to not have Nemsy unlocked either. I'm a guppy in the vast ocean that is HearthStone; I haven't spent a dime on this game in over 4 years and I'm not about to start now. I am glad they're branching out with more bundle options for people, but honestly no amount of promotion they do for this game would convince me to spend any money on it.
They could do a one-time ever deal where you get 50 packs for just a mere $10, and I still wouldn't buy it. Yes, that would be an incredible value and I'd be a fool to pass it up, but simply put the game just isn't worth my time or my money. Team 5 has a *long* way to go to persuade me to invest in their game, and until they make it more worthwhile for me, then I'm happy to deny them of any possible profit - regardless how little difference it would make for them.
$80 for card packs and a hero skin. Pfffffffffffffft! Good luck with that Blizzivision
You're really lucky the forums don't have a dislike button.
Except the part they lock cosmetic behind high paywall ,i didn't see any problem here. Both are 1$/pack and golden legendary
Also you argument is really weak,you just bashing the deal 1$/pack because you dislike it and use cosmetic things as a reason
I don't understand the argument. They are giving you more options than before. You still have the same 50-for-50 as before. Now, if you don't like that bundle, fine, that's an argument to be made, but that's not what the OP is complaining about. Blizz gave you a second bundle. Buy it if you like it. Don't buy it if you don't like it, and you're no different than before.
Look at this way, Blizz is giving you options for those who don't mind spending money on the game:
- 50 for 50 and a golden legendary
- 80 for 80 and a golden legendary + hero
- 130 for 130 for 2 golden legendaries and a hero
Pick which one you want, you have more options than before. If you think one is bad, DON'T BUY IT. Last I checked, having more options are a good thing.
Nice to see you again.
Are you sure about that? People have up until before the expansion drops to pre-order. It's been like this for the longest time, and people have been pre-ordering bundles since bundles became a thing. It's up to the consumer to decide if it's a good idea to pre-order or not. There's a window of time for a reason, of course. It does seem absurd to pre-order before everything is revealed, but there's not a whole lot wrong with it. Sure, it could set a bad precedent, but it doesn't always mean it works out like that.
That silly ol' buzzword again, "strawman". I present an opinion, then you present an opinion. That's how many conversations work. Welcome to the internet.
Pre-ordering/spending $80 on cards for a game is how card games have been for the longest time. I have to wonder, what card game did you start with, and when did you forget that spending money on cards meant you can continue to play that card game? Packs of cards have been notorious for being a gamble. It's always been a gamble, whether it be physical or digital. This is not a new thing. I remember reading in the newspaper when I was younger about how kids were beating each other within an inch of their life in school bathrooms over Pokemon cards. Valuable cards are hard to get. That's just how it is, and Hearthstone is no stranger.
People enjoy opening packs. That's part of the reason the pre-orders happen. This game, just like MTG, will be next to impossible to make affordable. That's how card games are. With Hearthstone, you either make gold or buy packs. With MTG, you buy packs or singles. Consider yourself lucky this isn't MTG.
You wouldn't call a Hero portrait a reward for spending a little more? What would you call the tier list rewards for donating a little more to a crowdfunded project? Same deal just about. It depends on how you look at getting to spend $30 more to save money on packs and getting M-J as a bonus. It's called an incentive for a reason.
They've shown us that they're willing to bring alternate Heroes back. You've presented enough for us to have knowledge of this.
Where did Blizzard state they wouldn't make M-J available again? If I had seen that detail before, I wouldn't have mentioned twice that you don't know for sure. A link would be really handy.
I don't have any of the alternate Heroes but a few of the free ones. I don't care about them. I can still play the game with no issue without them, and so can you. And yeah, it was a pain in the ass to get some of the alternate Heroes, but people did what they needed to get them, pain or not. Just like then, they'll do it now with M-J if they care enough.
This is why people kill themselves from work related stress. People like you think you're right because you have money. Money doesn't make someone correct. How very naive of you...
I can tell you didn't read my first response to you. God, you're lazy. Not a shill. I don't care about Blizzard much. I just like their card game. I don't play their other games, and don't care to support them except with the occasional Hearthstone thing or two. Trying to silence you? No, my friend. I've been sticking here with you to talk to you more about this, whether you like it or not. I have no intentions of seeing you silenced. I'm merely addressing your one-sided view of things at every step, holding you to scrutiny wherever possible as you have been with us, and conceding to points that I can't help but agree with. Don't underestimate your company.
Not all Heroes beyond the first three have been free. Delusions about, oh boy, oh joy.
As I've mentioned before, I don't care for Jaraxxus and I'd still pick up both bundles, just because I could. I mentioned how pity timers are also continually pinged by people opening packs. You can get more by spending more. I love this card game. If I can get packs at reduced prices, why not? I don't care for the card back or the alternate Hero. I just want packs, m'dude. People don't just care about M-J, and people aren't spending $80 for solely that reason. It's silly to ignore reduced pack prices in bulk to further push this idea of yours.
Even though some of the content has been free, you shouldn't expect all content to be free. You shouldn't lead yourself to believe things will always be the same. It brings disappointment. I do agree, M-J should've been something you could earn. Can't argue with you on that.
The desire for cosmetics is part of human nature. Whether or not you fully embrace/repress that part of yourself, it doesn't justify forcing Blizzard to change the attempt they're making here. Using desire as reasoning to make M-J easier to obtain signifies heavily that you are, in fact, entitled.
Referencing the fact that I call you entitled has no relevance regarding repurposed voice lines. I've listened to the voice lines. Streamer and Youtuber Savjz uploaded gameplay with the Hero enabled. Most of the lines are repurposed.
OH, there's a link. I asked for one earlier. Ignore that request. If this is it, cool. Thank you for that. Also, if you get "really fucking tired of repeating" yourself, maybe don't address the same thing twice? You're making this harder on yourself than you need to.
You do know it costs a lot to run servers, right? With as many games as they have, the many regions, all the data, upkeep costs more than you might know. Unless you've been on the inside of a business meeting, you can't expect to speak as though you've seen their quarterly reports. "You need to stop it. You really do."
Anyway, it's nice to see you come out of hiding finally. I challenged you to come out because you haven't really been responding at all. You've been running around and hitting up comments with upvotes. Managed to even put an edit out there to your first comment here. Was waiting for you to address some of us.
I await your return, unless you want to silence yourself to try looking like more of a victim.
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The irony is astounding. You really lack self-awareness. You've got to be a teenager right?
Dude, I am sure you are making great points, but can you please throw some paragraphs in here so I can read this?
Oh yeah all they did was spend time, money and effort into making it so obviously it should be free. “$80 and all they’re offering is a skin”, did they remove the 80packs and golden legendary for the bundle? “Witchwood's preorder wasn't the usual 50 packs for $50, it was 70 packs!“, because Witchwood was the first set in the new rotation and making the packs ‘cheaper’ is good way to get players invested into buying future bundles in the rotation, they did it because they had an actual incentive to do it. “Not only that, but $80 for what is ultimately a preorder for loot boxes is absurd“, so just because something is a loot box it means it’s worthless appearently? But the packs have a minimum garanteed value and Activision-Blizzard have never claimed that they would contain anything above that minimum value except in cases where the pity timer is triggered. “$80 for 80 packs is pretty crazy”, yeah it is that’s why it also includes the hero portrait and the golden legendary.” You also get one in the normal $50 preorder as well, making that part of the bundle ultimately irrelevant.”, True. “Okay, what does that have to do with it? That's pretty subjective.”, Also true. “Ah yes, the classic "entitled" argument. The ultimate strawman of any shill when they can't think of any else to say”, are you actually countering a strawman argument with your own strawman argument??? “Guess it's not "just cosmetic" or else people wouldn't give a shit about them.”, woah I didn’t realise that people’s feelings change facts now the hero portrait is in fact actually just cosmetic I don’t even see how this is an argument. “and if people buy this (Which most likely they will judging from the comments I'm seeing here and on Reddit)”, it’s because most of us live in a society where we actually compensate each for the work that we do.
Ultimately your argument boils down to “I should get the thing for free because I want it” and don’t even dare say it’s because you supported the game it’s not like you played hearthstone out of the kindness of your heart you played it cause you wanted to simple as that
I found something interesting. OP here is trying to tell people Mecha Jaraxxus won't see a possible re-release in the future like other Heroes have. Hold on a moment, while I catch you by your toes, lying to make your argument look better. Nicely done, OP.
It says nothing about the Mega Bundle being the ONLY way to ever unlock him. Please stop playing games. "You need to stop it. You really do."
Come visit my Card Emporium. Strange things, you will find inside...
Come take the test, if you're daring. Feel free to show me your results in a message.
op seek help fast. the only thing u care is the hero skin? my god kids this days
stoooop complaining about the price!!!! if you want to complain about price PLAY SHADOWVERSE OR ELDER SCROLLS LEGENDS. nobody gives a fuck about your inability to make money.
"Blizzard gave us a good deal one time, therefore, similar products are worth less than they were before."
If anyone is unable to see the problem with that logic, there is no hope for him.
They said the same thing about Khadgar and Tyrande. It's the same cookie cutter response they always give.
Quoting this last comment to help further emphasize something important here. Part of OP's argument is that the Mecha Jaraxxus skin is a limited time only item. We've all seen a number of times that Hero skins become available again from time to time. Mecha Jaraxxus will likely make a return in the future. As always, nothing about the future is ever really a guarantee. I address this part specifically because limited time items like M-J here catch the attention of many people a number of times. Limited time items bring in more money from time to time, and while spending $80 to have access currently doesn't feel the best, knowing that a shot at the skin in the future helps. This bolded part helps illustrate the strongest part about OP's argument. This is the part that he's hoping to bank off of. I'm just glad I was able to view something that disproves the idea that you'll never see the skin again if you don't get it while it's currently available. Please keep this all in mind while moving forward.
Come visit my Card Emporium. Strange things, you will find inside...
Come take the test, if you're daring. Feel free to show me your results in a message.
Yes, and the future still permits opportunities for currently unavailable items to become available once again. Many games do this. Get it now or get it later. This is nothing new.
Come visit my Card Emporium. Strange things, you will find inside...
Come take the test, if you're daring. Feel free to show me your results in a message.
Using inductive reasoning, one can only ever produce a probability for a given conclusion, never certainty.
You can say: "It is likely, given Blizzard's previous record, that the hero will not be obtainable another way."
You cannot say: "Blizzard will certainly never offer the hero another way."
Quoting this part for truth. It's one of life's hard lessons that more people need to learn.
yeah, I mean why would you ever want to pay less than normal for packs, and get extra stuff as a bonus. Sounds like a dumb idea to me...
Some car manufacturers sell cars at prices like 30,000 Euros or even 60,000 Euros or even higher, I can't believe how far they can go!
But then I realize that some people can actually afford this kind of car and enjoy spending their money however they see fit. Myself, I enjoy my Fiat Punto, it still takes me where I want to go.
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It's not a cosmetic skin that I want at all, actually or really. Warlock is a class I dislike playing as or against, and I'm happy to not have Nemsy unlocked either. I'm a guppy in the vast ocean that is HearthStone; I haven't spent a dime on this game in over 4 years and I'm not about to start now. I am glad they're branching out with more bundle options for people, but honestly no amount of promotion they do for this game would convince me to spend any money on it.
They could do a one-time ever deal where you get 50 packs for just a mere $10, and I still wouldn't buy it. Yes, that would be an incredible value and I'd be a fool to pass it up, but simply put the game just isn't worth my time or my money. Team 5 has a *long* way to go to persuade me to invest in their game, and until they make it more worthwhile for me, then I'm happy to deny them of any possible profit - regardless how little difference it would make for them.