OP, thank you for this thread and also thanks to everyone who posted very reasonable answers. All of this has been on my mind for a very long time already and I had no idea how to express it all with a single post.
That's how most popular online game communities were, are and always will be. Hearthstone is no different, people will find some reason to complain and/or spread negativity.
1. That's a common fallacy, while most aggro decks are not among the toughest decks to play they can still be quite challenging and skill intensive. Yesterday I played inner fire priest against odd paladin, he had enough on board to put me on 2 hp, I had one 4/6 drake, radiant elemental and tar creeper with full combo and a shadow vision in hand. If he had went for face I had fair chances to get mass dispel from SV and OTK him. Sadly for me, he traded his minions and played vinecleaver. Maybe this is not the best example but it does goes to show that all aggro matches are not full face.
2. Those types of people are in every game ever that has a ladder system. Ignore them.
3. While I would prefer if everybody made their own decks, I don't think that's possible. Hearthstone's monetization model encourages netdecking, most people don't have all cards neither they would spend $100+ on every expansion acquiring them, so they netdeck.
People copy top decks and builds in other games also but there they have the option to explore on their own also. Take Path of Exile, Dota 2 and Blizzard's own Heroes Of The Storm for example, yes people copy top builds there also but they are not restricted to coping in those games because of money they spend. I don't think Hearthstone is completely P2W, but it certainly encourages netdecking, so it's Blizzard's fault more than people who netdec.
As a general rule, aggro decks have fewer decisions to make (going face vs trading, burn vs removal), and the games are shorter, so it's generally easier.
People complain about net decks because they make the meta mote homogenous, but people will naturally play what's good, and of you wanna win, a professionally built deck is gonna be stronger than your own.
These are spot on. The homogeneous part is exactly why I get so sick of nerdeckers. It makes it so uncommon to see thoughtful and creative decks, which is a BIG part of any CARD GAME!
I think Blizzard made a mistake by allowing us to copy and paste decks into the game with such ease. At least before we had to search for the cards and drag them into the decklist. His may seem meaningless, but it makes us more familiar with what’s being out into the deck more intimately than mindlessly copy-pasting into a line and “look! I have a T1 deck”!
This isn't necessarily what I think, but just the general reason behind why people say the things they do.
1) Referring to aggro/tempo decks as "brainless." Doesn't every deck become autonomous if you play it enough?
Aggro decks on average require less decision making, take less time per turn to play, and will more often go face than trade. Decks that keep hand better, have more decisions to make, and thereby creating more moments where it is skill testing.
2) R20 Scrub! What difference does it make? Some people just don't want to climb ladder?
Competitive players will value other players depending on their rank and skill (which includes deckbuilding), and more often times than not, players who reach rank 5 and above consistently, will have better decision making and as a result be better Hearthstone players. Playing casually totally fine, and is where Blizzard makes most of their money. It's the day and night of opinions from someone who has never hit Legend, and someone who hits Legend every season. Of course the mentally and opinion will differ.
3) Homebrews VS. Netdecks; again, what difference does this make? If you are offered 2 pair of shoes, some people are going to opt for comfort, and some are going to opt for style. Secondly, every new player that asks for advice, "WATCH STREAMS!" under the same threads that refer to, "Too many netdeckers."
The difference between original decks and popular netdecks, is simply the popularity of it. It's like someone who wants to reach Legend, watches another player hit Legend with a certain deck, and then uses that same deck to also reach Legend. Primates in particular learn from mimicking successful behaviors from others. This is an innate behavior, and part of the reason why humans became the apex species.
You can watch someone who is good at the game stream, and learn from them without netdecking as well. Look at the board and the streamer's hand, then thinking about what you would do. If the stream does something different, think about why they chose to do something different from you. A lot of change comes from within, and you need to internalize what went right and wrong. Otherwise it becomes like television and information comes in through one ear, and exits from the other.
This isn't necessarily what I think, but just the general reason behind why people say the things they do.
1) Referring to aggro/tempo decks as "brainless." Doesn't every deck become autonomous if you play it enough?
Aggro decks on average require less decision making, take less time per turn to play, and will more often go face than trade. Decks that keep hand better, have more decisions to make, and thereby creating more moments where it is skill testing.
2) R20 Scrub! What difference does it make? Some people just don't want to climb ladder?
Competitive players will value other players depending on their rank and skill (which includes deckbuilding), and more often times than not, players who reach rank 5 and above consistently, will have better decision making and as a result be better Hearthstone players. Playing casually totally fine, and is where Blizzard makes most of their money. It's the day and night of opinions from someone who has never hit Legend, and someone who hits Legend every season. Of course the mentally and opinion will differ.
3) Homebrews VS. Netdecks; again, what difference does this make? If you are offered 2 pair of shoes, some people are going to opt for comfort, and some are going to opt for style. Secondly, every new player that asks for advice, "WATCH STREAMS!" under the same threads that refer to, "Too many netdeckers."
The difference between original decks and popular netdecks, is simply the popularity of it. It's like someone who wants to reach Legend, watches another player hit Legend with a certain deck, and then uses that same deck to also reach Legend. Primates in particular learn from mimicking successful behaviors from others. This is an innate behavior, and part of the reason why humans became the apex species.
You can watch someone who is good at the game stream, and learn from them without netdecking as well. Look at the board and the streamer's hand, then thinking about what you would do. If the stream does something different, think about why they chose to do something different from you. A lot of change comes from within, and you need to internalize what went right and wrong. Otherwise it becomes like television and information comes in through one ear, and exits from the other.
Great answer, great profile pic and adorable signature...Sometimes i wish hearthpwn would allow us to upvote a comment twice.
1) Referring to aggro/tempo decks as "brainless." Doesn't every deck become autonomous if you play it enough?
Aggro decks on average require less decision making, take less time per turn to play, and will more often go face than trade. Decks that keep hand better, have more decisions to make, and thereby creating more moments where it is skill testing.
Which is confirmed by people who've just picked up the game for the first time and manage to reach Legend rank playing Aggro decks within a short period of time ... at least that's what you read about occasionally. Of course, it is questionable how much truth there is to that.^^
While I cannot confirm the above in its entirety, I do have two acquaintances with no prior TCG experience, who were able to reach Rank 2 and Rank 4, respectively, within three days from picking up the game with Pirate Warrior back in its "glory" days. Given that, I can certainly imagine why there is a lot of talk about Aggro decks being a whole lot easier to pilot than other deck archetypes.
This isn't necessarily what I think, but just the general reason behind why people say the things they do.
1) Referring to aggro/tempo decks as "brainless." Doesn't every deck become autonomous if you play it enough?
Aggro decks on average require less decision making, take less time per turn to play, and will more often go face than trade. Decks that keep hand better, have more decisions to make, and thereby creating more moments where it is skill testing.
2) R20 Scrub! What difference does it make? Some people just don't want to climb ladder?
Competitive players will value other players depending on their rank and skill (which includes deckbuilding), and more often times than not, players who reach rank 5 and above consistently, will have better decision making and as a result be better Hearthstone players. Playing casually totally fine, and is where Blizzard makes most of their money. It's the day and night of opinions from someone who has never hit Legend, and someone who hits Legend every season. Of course the mentally and opinion will differ.
3) Homebrews VS. Netdecks; again, what difference does this make? If you are offered 2 pair of shoes, some people are going to opt for comfort, and some are going to opt for style. Secondly, every new player that asks for advice, "WATCH STREAMS!" under the same threads that refer to, "Too many netdeckers."
The difference between original decks and popular netdecks, is simply the popularity of it. It's like someone who wants to reach Legend, watches another player hit Legend with a certain deck, and then uses that same deck to also reach Legend. Primates in particular learn from mimicking successful behaviors from others. This is an innate behavior, and part of the reason why humans became the apex species.
You can watch someone who is good at the game stream, and learn from them without netdecking as well. Look at the board and the streamer's hand, then thinking about what you would do. If the stream does something different, think about why they chose to do something different from you. A lot of change comes from within, and you need to internalize what went right and wrong. Otherwise it becomes like television and information comes in through one ear, and exits from the other.
Great answer, great profile pic and adorable signature...Sometimes i wish hearthpwn would allow us to upvote a comment twice.
It is for sure nice to have the option to upvote posts (since not every forum has it), but I wish there was also an option to give a user a Super Like or something like that. :)
OP, I agree with you regarding the naming calling and condescending tone of the forum people here. Once, I wrote a comment on about Traven Brawl idea but only to get shutdown by people name calling me and insulting the idea. There was no chance for a discussion. I only posted the idea out of excitement of it and can you imagine by despair when I saw that? Sure, some of you may say, "Urgh! Grow some skin!" or "Welcome to the internet, bruuhh!" kind of attitude. But it still hurts.
However, is there really a need to instantly bash on people or do you feel superior cos you don't see the actually person who wrote the comment? Either way it hurts my enjoyment of the game a bit knowing that that the people in this forums can be a-holes.
Anyways regarding your points 1,2,3, these people are probably kids or immature adults who are selfish and only wants themselves to win. Hence, they are not open to the idea of various play styles of Hearthstone. It can be said for any card game really. I came from a YuGiOh background and I can say the same attitude can be seen there.
It is the same for even in watching anime. Especially Shonen anime where the show just concluded a heavy action episode and the next few episodes goes into cooldown, meaning little to no action but high character development, these sort of people starts calling those episodes "boriiing" or "filler".
One thing that we can take away from this, you have to decide for yourself what is Hearthstone to you. You have to make the decision on how you play Hearthstone. Only you can control your player experience with the game. If you want to play homebrew decks, go for it. Or you want to go super serious, research the meta. Either way, it is up to you.
You are in control. Not these toxic, immature people.
Don't let these toxic people on the forums affect your enjoyment of the game. Use the forums only to get advise, check decks and engage in meaningful topics. Spend a balanced of amount time in the forums. These are my thoughts and opinions on the matter.
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I haven't seen much toxicity here at Hearthpwn. The official blizzard forum is where all of this came from.
Thank you all so much for your responses! You've all been so informative and sweet!! You're all so amazing, and this thread proves how wonderful you all are.
You guys are stuck with me, hahahahaha!!!
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OP, thank you for this thread and also thanks to everyone who posted very reasonable answers. All of this has been on my mind for a very long time already and I had no idea how to express it all with a single post.
That's how most popular online game communities were, are and always will be. Hearthstone is no different, people will find some reason to complain and/or spread negativity.
1. That's a common fallacy, while most aggro decks are not among the toughest decks to play they can still be quite challenging and skill intensive. Yesterday I played inner fire priest against odd paladin, he had enough on board to put me on 2 hp, I had one 4/6 drake, radiant elemental and tar creeper with full combo and a shadow vision in hand. If he had went for face I had fair chances to get mass dispel from SV and OTK him. Sadly for me, he traded his minions and played vinecleaver. Maybe this is not the best example but it does goes to show that all aggro matches are not full face.
2. Those types of people are in every game ever that has a ladder system. Ignore them.
3. While I would prefer if everybody made their own decks, I don't think that's possible. Hearthstone's monetization model encourages netdecking, most people don't have all cards neither they would spend $100+ on every expansion acquiring them, so they netdeck.
People copy top decks and builds in other games also but there they have the option to explore on their own also. Take Path of Exile, Dota 2 and Blizzard's own Heroes Of The Storm for example, yes people copy top builds there also but they are not restricted to coping in those games because of money they spend. I don't think Hearthstone is completely P2W, but it certainly encourages netdecking, so it's Blizzard's fault more than people who netdec.
These are spot on. The homogeneous part is exactly why I get so sick of nerdeckers. It makes it so uncommon to see thoughtful and creative decks, which is a BIG part of any CARD GAME!
I think Blizzard made a mistake by allowing us to copy and paste decks into the game with such ease. At least before we had to search for the cards and drag them into the decklist. His may seem meaningless, but it makes us more familiar with what’s being out into the deck more intimately than mindlessly copy-pasting into a line and “look! I have a T1 deck”!
This isn't necessarily what I think, but just the general reason behind why people say the things they do.
1) Referring to aggro/tempo decks as "brainless." Doesn't every deck become autonomous if you play it enough?
Aggro decks on average require less decision making, take less time per turn to play, and will more often go face than trade. Decks that keep hand better, have more decisions to make, and thereby creating more moments where it is skill testing.
2) R20 Scrub! What difference does it make? Some people just don't want to climb ladder?
Competitive players will value other players depending on their rank and skill (which includes deckbuilding), and more often times than not, players who reach rank 5 and above consistently, will have better decision making and as a result be better Hearthstone players. Playing casually totally fine, and is where Blizzard makes most of their money. It's the day and night of opinions from someone who has never hit Legend, and someone who hits Legend every season. Of course the mentally and opinion will differ.
3) Homebrews VS. Netdecks; again, what difference does this make? If you are offered 2 pair of shoes, some people are going to opt for comfort, and some are going to opt for style. Secondly, every new player that asks for advice, "WATCH STREAMS!" under the same threads that refer to, "Too many netdeckers."
The difference between original decks and popular netdecks, is simply the popularity of it. It's like someone who wants to reach Legend, watches another player hit Legend with a certain deck, and then uses that same deck to also reach Legend. Primates in particular learn from mimicking successful behaviors from others. This is an innate behavior, and part of the reason why humans became the apex species.
You can watch someone who is good at the game stream, and learn from them without netdecking as well. Look at the board and the streamer's hand, then thinking about what you would do. If the stream does something different, think about why they chose to do something different from you. A lot of change comes from within, and you need to internalize what went right and wrong. Otherwise it becomes like television and information comes in through one ear, and exits from the other.
Great answer, great profile pic and adorable signature...Sometimes i wish hearthpwn would allow us to upvote a comment twice.
Which is confirmed by people who've just picked up the game for the first time and manage to reach Legend rank playing Aggro decks within a short period of time ... at least that's what you read about occasionally. Of course, it is questionable how much truth there is to that.^^
While I cannot confirm the above in its entirety, I do have two acquaintances with no prior TCG experience, who were able to reach Rank 2 and Rank 4, respectively, within three days from picking up the game with Pirate Warrior back in its "glory" days. Given that, I can certainly imagine why there is a lot of talk about Aggro decks being a whole lot easier to pilot than other deck archetypes.
It is for sure nice to have the option to upvote posts (since not every forum has it), but I wish there was also an option to give a user a Super Like or something like that. :)
OP, I agree with you regarding the naming calling and condescending tone of the forum people here. Once, I wrote a comment on about Traven Brawl idea but only to get shutdown by people name calling me and insulting the idea. There was no chance for a discussion. I only posted the idea out of excitement of it and can you imagine by despair when I saw that? Sure, some of you may say, "Urgh! Grow some skin!" or "Welcome to the internet, bruuhh!" kind of attitude. But it still hurts.
However, is there really a need to instantly bash on people or do you feel superior cos you don't see the actually person who wrote the comment? Either way it hurts my enjoyment of the game a bit knowing that that the people in this forums can be a-holes.
Anyways regarding your points 1,2,3, these people are probably kids or immature adults who are selfish and only wants themselves to win. Hence, they are not open to the idea of various play styles of Hearthstone. It can be said for any card game really. I came from a YuGiOh background and I can say the same attitude can be seen there.
It is the same for even in watching anime. Especially Shonen anime where the show just concluded a heavy action episode and the next few episodes goes into cooldown, meaning little to no action but high character development, these sort of people starts calling those episodes "boriiing" or "filler".
One thing that we can take away from this, you have to decide for yourself what is Hearthstone to you. You have to make the decision on how you play Hearthstone. Only you can control your player experience with the game. If you want to play homebrew decks, go for it. Or you want to go super serious, research the meta. Either way, it is up to you.
You are in control. Not these toxic, immature people.
Don't let these toxic people on the forums affect your enjoyment of the game. Use the forums only to get advise, check decks and engage in meaningful topics. Spend a balanced of amount time in the forums. These are my thoughts and opinions on the matter.
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I haven't seen much toxicity here at Hearthpwn. The official blizzard forum is where all of this came from.
Thank you all so much for your responses! You've all been so informative and sweet!! You're all so amazing, and this thread proves how wonderful you all are.
You guys are stuck with me, hahahahaha!!!
Good Luck & Happy Gaming