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Can anyone make a deck w/o carnivorous cube?? Pls don t play that cancerous combo, remove lackey,pact and cube and be original ;)
Please elaborate "cancerous combo"?
This is a control deck without doomguards and the combo doesn't OTK, Voidlord is to defend and after nerfs I don't think you can call it cancer anymore as lackey is 6 mana
well, the deck looks solidly constructed, but not very meta constructed. for example, Geist and Ooze are fantastic now against other Warlocks and Druid. Skull of Man'ari generally doesn't make sense in a Rin Controllock. I would also argue that you don't need that much healing in the deck anymore (personally, I mostly fight against control and combo, I barely see much aggro) so I'd consider kicking out some in favor of more proactive plays.
It is not dead, it is (close) fair now, you have to think and fight instead just brainless play broken undercosted card after broken undercosted card after the more broken and even less costed card...
If the deck is only "alive" when is extremely OP and undercosted like before then yes, the deck is dead now.
Warlock players become too used with insanely OP cards, call a deck with 2 manas Defile and 4 manas Spellstone dead is a true indicate of this.
I tried control without lackeys and with Glinda, voodoo doctor for healing, double gnomeferatu, the darkness, skulking Geist, and Deathwing. I haven’t played it lately, but suspect that recruit hunter would be a huge problem because of the redundancy of ways for them to recruit. Gnomeferatu wouldn’t be likely to mess them up like it does with the other combo decks.
I tried control without lackeys and with Glinda, voodoo doctor for healing, double gnomeferatu, the darkness, skulking Geist, and Deathwing. I haven’t played it lately, but suspect that recruit hunter would be a huge problem because of the redundancy of ways for them to recruit. Gnomeferatu wouldn’t be likely to mess them up like it does with the other combo decks.
I tried control without lackeys and with Glinda, voodoo doctor for healing, double gnomeferatu, the darkness, skulking Geist, and Deathwing. I haven’t played it lately, but suspect that recruit hunter would be a huge problem because of the redundancy of ways for them to recruit. Gnomeferatu wouldn’t be likely to mess them up like it does with the other combo decks.
wouldn't mind if you share your deck
I can’t get the deck import working right on my phone, but here is the code. Both the darkness and Deathwing are just finishers, usually when opponent is in fatigue. I almost never drop them when I think the opponent can remove them still. Deathwing I’ve considered removing. He has only won me a few games. Usually he is used when my opponent manages to stop the darkness, but had to use his last resources to do so.
### Custom Warlock # Class: Warlock # Format: Standard # Year of the Raven # # 2x (1) Kobold Librarian # 1x (1) Voodoo Doctor # 2x (2) Defile # 2x (2) Gnomeferatu # 1x (3) Gluttonous Ooze # 1x (3) Ironbeak Owl # 2x (3) Stonehill Defender # 2x (4) Hellfire # 2x (4) Lesser Amethyst Spellstone # 1x (4) The Darkness # 2x (5) Despicable Dreadlord # 1x (5) Rotten Applebaum # 1x (5) Skull of the Man'ari # 1x (6) Glinda Crowskin # 1x (6) Rin, the First Disciple # 1x (6) Siphon Soul # 1x (6) Skulking Geist # 1x (7) Lord Godfrey # 1x (8) Twisting Nether # 2x (9) Voidlord # 1x (10) Bloodreaver Gul'dan # 1x (10) Deathwing # AAECAf0GDoQBogLCBtsGzAjTxQKgzgKX0wLY5wLb6QL26gK/8QLF8wKc+AIItgebwgLnywKuzQL3zQLy0AKI0gLo5wIA # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
Control Warlock is just as viable as any other control deck, but also just as vulnerable.
As has been discussed, the current state of the game is very much "Rock, Paper, Scissors".
Control Warlock does at least have a couple tools that at least give it a little advantage ... Gnomeferatu at least has some RNG chance of breaking up combo decks, and Rin gives you a decent advantage against other control decks.
To be honest, I haven't played it much this season, but only because I finished my golden Warlock last season, so I have been focusing on other classes, mainly running Quest Priest ... which has seen a significant decline in winrate as the season has passed.
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Burn decks are not popular right now so you can afford to take out the applebaum, and pacts; they are underpowered anyway and you already have beatles and shroombrewer. Take out your half-in demon recruit package and add despicable dreadlords. They were played in some controlocks before the nerfs and should be even better now and are great Gul'Dan pulls. Skull used to be played with Rin pre-nerf because weapon destruction was expected from every deck, giving you the chance to play the 10/10 from hand. This is not the case anymore
Next figure out what techs to use in order to give you time to do your Rin condition. Skulking geist in the current meta is a must as it removes many combo pieces from decks that give warlock trouble such as Play Dead, Naturalize, Dark Pact, Inner fire. This forces inner fire priest to draw their entire deck for alchemist, assuming they run it at all, and buys you a turn to interact (usually silence) with the other combos. Try out Tinkmaster overspark if the above decks are popular. He's not only good for polluting Druid's beast pool but is another option for removing garbage that threaten to pull big bois
I would trade the spellbreaker down with an owl or two. Being 1 mana cheaper allows you to combo it with Godfrey to clear a 2nd wave hadronox board if the game progresses that far
Gnomferatu can highroll against shaman and taunt druid. Ooze is good against maly druid and cubelock. All 4 are quite rare in my position of the ladder but it could be different for you
If I'm honest I feel like Rotten Applebaum is sort of unimpressive. I've used it a few times and I feel like a lot of better cards are out there. Even in standard I just think the healing it does wouldn't even be needed if a heavier impact card was played instead. An example being Despicable Dreadlord. That said it does hurt your deck consistency so I can understand that you don't use that specifically. All this said I don't play warlock too often due to having none of its legendaries.
I'd love to play control Warlock again, I haven't played it since the nerfs, and I don't care much about cubelock or even Warlock. You should check out some videos of Thijs' deck that runs Glinda, Meat Wagon and that classic set card, portal-something which reduces the cost of minions. I used to run Umbra and 2x Mountain Giant in my deck and it worked well for me. I also remember Disguised Toast used to run The Darkness a few months ago (it was probably to counter highlander Priest though, but it maybe could work as an extra win condition for the late game). If you come up with a good decklist, be sure to send me a message, I'd love to play this deck again but I don't have dust for experimenting, so I can't try this stuff out.
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Is it possible to make the control lock playable again post nerfs.
This is my favourite deck and unfortunately, I am struggling with it
What do you think, I have the deck attached below.
Open to your suggestions. Thanks
Can anyone make a deck w/o carnivorous cube?? Pls don t play that cancerous combo, remove lackey,pact and cube and be original ;)
"The flow of time is always cruel... its speed seems different for each person, but no one can change it... A thing that does not change with time is a memory of younger days..."
Dude, I have a free voucher for the opticians. I will send it to you.
Where did you see the cube???
Please elaborate "cancerous combo"?
This is a control deck without doomguards and the combo doesn't OTK, Voidlord is to defend and after nerfs I don't think you can call it cancer anymore as lackey is 6 mana
well, the deck looks solidly constructed, but not very meta constructed. for example, Geist and Ooze are fantastic now against other Warlocks and Druid. Skull of Man'ari generally doesn't make sense in a Rin Controllock. I would also argue that you don't need that much healing in the deck anymore (personally, I mostly fight against control and combo, I barely see much aggro) so I'd consider kicking out some in favor of more proactive plays.
saying what you're losing to would help.
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It is not dead, it is (close) fair now, you have to think and fight instead just brainless play broken undercosted card after broken undercosted card after the more broken and even less costed card...
If the deck is only "alive" when is extremely OP and undercosted like before then yes, the deck is dead now.
Warlock players become too used with insanely OP cards, call a deck with 2 manas Defile and 4 manas Spellstone dead is a true indicate of this.
I tried control without lackeys and with Glinda, voodoo doctor for healing, double gnomeferatu, the darkness, skulking Geist, and Deathwing. I haven’t played it lately, but suspect that recruit hunter would be a huge problem because of the redundancy of ways for them to recruit. Gnomeferatu wouldn’t be likely to mess them up like it does with the other combo decks.
wouldn't mind if you share your deck
What happen when gnomeferatu remove a candle? Or you only play darkness when opponent already was in fatigue?
I can’t get the deck import working right on my phone, but here is the code. Both the darkness and Deathwing are just finishers, usually when opponent is in fatigue. I almost never drop them when I think the opponent can remove them still. Deathwing I’ve considered removing. He has only won me a few games. Usually he is used when my opponent manages to stop the darkness, but had to use his last resources to do so.
### Custom Warlock
# Class: Warlock
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
#
# 2x (1) Kobold Librarian
# 1x (1) Voodoo Doctor
# 2x (2) Defile
# 2x (2) Gnomeferatu
# 1x (3) Gluttonous Ooze
# 1x (3) Ironbeak Owl
# 2x (3) Stonehill Defender
# 2x (4) Hellfire
# 2x (4) Lesser Amethyst Spellstone
# 1x (4) The Darkness
# 2x (5) Despicable Dreadlord
# 1x (5) Rotten Applebaum
# 1x (5) Skull of the Man'ari
# 1x (6) Glinda Crowskin
# 1x (6) Rin, the First Disciple
# 1x (6) Siphon Soul
# 1x (6) Skulking Geist
# 1x (7) Lord Godfrey
# 1x (8) Twisting Nether
# 2x (9) Voidlord
# 1x (10) Bloodreaver Gul'dan
# 1x (10) Deathwing
#
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#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
Control Warlock is just as viable as any other control deck, but also just as vulnerable.
As has been discussed, the current state of the game is very much "Rock, Paper, Scissors".
Control Warlock does at least have a couple tools that at least give it a little advantage ... Gnomeferatu at least has some RNG chance of breaking up combo decks, and Rin gives you a decent advantage against other control decks.
To be honest, I haven't played it much this season, but only because I finished my golden Warlock last season, so I have been focusing on other classes, mainly running Quest Priest ... which has seen a significant decline in winrate as the season has passed.
I wanna glide down, over Mulholland
I wanna write her, name in the sky
I wanna free fall, out into nothin'
Gonna leave this, world for awhile
Burn decks are not popular right now so you can afford to take out the applebaum, and pacts; they are underpowered anyway and you already have beatles and shroombrewer. Take out your half-in demon recruit package and add despicable dreadlords. They were played in some controlocks before the nerfs and should be even better now and are great Gul'Dan pulls. Skull used to be played with Rin pre-nerf because weapon destruction was expected from every deck, giving you the chance to play the 10/10 from hand. This is not the case anymore
Next figure out what techs to use in order to give you time to do your Rin condition. Skulking geist in the current meta is a must as it removes many combo pieces from decks that give warlock trouble such as Play Dead, Naturalize, Dark Pact, Inner fire. This forces inner fire priest to draw their entire deck for alchemist, assuming they run it at all, and buys you a turn to interact (usually silence) with the other combos. Try out Tinkmaster overspark if the above decks are popular. He's not only good for polluting Druid's beast pool but is another option for removing garbage that threaten to pull big bois
I would trade the spellbreaker down with an owl or two. Being 1 mana cheaper allows you to combo it with Godfrey to clear a 2nd wave hadronox board if the game progresses that far
Gnomferatu can highroll against shaman and taunt druid. Ooze is good against maly druid and cubelock. All 4 are quite rare in my position of the ladder but it could be different for you
Legend with : S65 Freeze Mage, S57 Maly Gonk Druid, S57 "Okay" Shaman, S53 Boom-zooka Hunter, S53 Maly Tog Druid, S52 Wild Tog Druid ft.Blingtron, S50 Quest Rogue, S49 Dead Man's Warrior, S41 Wild Clown Fiesta Druid, S41 Hadronox Jade Druid, S40 Wild OTK Dragon Druid, S35 SMOrc Shaman, S33 Jade Druid, S22 Control Priest, S19 Control Priest
Hi friendo, I feel your pain.
Im ftp, when the rotation hit I disenchanted all wild cards and crafted control warlock.
After nerfs I didn't make it above rank 10 ..... until I found this deck.
https://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/1125076-new-legendary-meta-crusher
After you've played Guldan, Clockwork Automaton doubles your hero power damage to 6, THEN doubles the heal to 12.
I run reckless rocketeer instead of Leeroy, and i cut Jaraxxus for a voidlord.
If I'm honest I feel like Rotten Applebaum is sort of unimpressive. I've used it a few times and I feel like a lot of better cards are out there. Even in standard I just think the healing it does wouldn't even be needed if a heavier impact card was played instead. An example being Despicable Dreadlord. That said it does hurt your deck consistency so I can understand that you don't use that specifically. All this said I don't play warlock too often due to having none of its legendaries.
I'd love to play control Warlock again, I haven't played it since the nerfs, and I don't care much about cubelock or even Warlock. You should check out some videos of Thijs' deck that runs Glinda, Meat Wagon and that classic set card, portal-something which reduces the cost of minions. I used to run Umbra and 2x Mountain Giant in my deck and it worked well for me. I also remember Disguised Toast used to run The Darkness a few months ago (it was probably to counter highlander Priest though, but it maybe could work as an extra win condition for the late game). If you come up with a good decklist, be sure to send me a message, I'd love to play this deck again but I don't have dust for experimenting, so I can't try this stuff out.