I feel like the core reason people don’t like this meta, despite it having a huge variety of decks that can be played, is that theres nearly nothing new. There’s no new decks. Except for things like shudderwok shaman (which in general is not liked) and recruit hunter, all the nerfs did was bring the return of old decks like miracle rogue and taunt warrior. Nothing new.
Are you kidding? From the moment of the nerfs, a bunch of new decks became viable. Even warlock is new. Token druid is new. Even shaman is new. Recruit hunter and shudderwock shaman is new. We even saw quest priest come up. There's been experimentation with recruit warrior. Even rogue. Spell hunter even dominated the meta, the only time we've seen it in the meta since the release of K&C. And the return of old decks is not boring to me. Seeing old quests and miracle rogue come back is not something I'd complain about.
The nerfs are a few weeks ago, I just think you got bored of the meta again. The meta is no longer "new".
Also, there's been quite some positivity about the meta. I suggest you add a poll if you think most people don't like the meta.
Because the meta is only about drawing good and snowballing, There is no other meta or game depending on luck like Hearthstone thanks to developers finally it's a gambling game.
Because the meta is only about drawing good and snowballing, There is no other meta or game depending on luck like Hearthstone thanks to developers finally it's a gambling game.
hahah saying that means you realy dont know the game or new player that cant past rank 20 because its not gambling at all
I feel like the core reason people don’t like this meta, despite it having a huge variety of decks that can be played, is that theres nearly nothing new. There’s no new decks. Except for things like shudderwok shaman (which in general is not liked) and recruit hunter, all the nerfs did was bring the return of old decks like miracle rogue and taunt warrior. Nothing new.
So it feels like we’ve played everything before.
We literally have a newer meta because of the nerfs. Decks are always "boring" a month or two after the release of an expansion. Why? Because there's thousands of players to figure out what's good and what's not and it gets figured out quick. In the first 2-3 weeks. Obviously there won't be anything new months afterwards.
Because the meta is only about drawing good and snowballing, There is no other meta or game depending on luck like Hearthstone thanks to developers finally it's a gambling game.
Every card game is draw dependent derp. Which can similarly be compared to RNG. (IE: Yugioh, MtG) Not really luck, more like odds. Example: Spiteful summoning a Tyrantus is high now because the odds are much smaller due to a smaller card pool.
Because the meta is only about drawing good and snowballing, There is no other meta or game depending on luck like Hearthstone thanks to developers finally it's a gambling game.
hahah saying that means you realy dont know the game or new player that cant past rank 20 because its not gambling at all
Don't care about some random scrub's prejudices. Already at legend and tihs game is all about luck. haha and lul
There are some decks that are incredibly boring to play against.
Every deck has at least one auto-lose match-up, most have like 2-3 and it sucks to get a game and know you lose without even playing the game unless the opponent's hand is the most awful thing the world has seen on a 100 years.
The meta is not as terrible as others we've seen but hey, I'm really on next expansion waiting room more already.
There are some decks that are incredibly boring to play against.
Every deck has at least one auto-lose match-up, most have like 2-3 and it sucks to get a game and know you lose without even playing the game unless the opponent's hand is the most awful thing the world has seen on a 100 years.
The meta is not as terrible as others we've seen but hey, I'm really on next expansion waiting room more already.
Its a rock paper scissors meta. Balance is not always a good thing.
Shudderwok Shaman (OTK variants) Shudderwork Shaman (value variants) Big/Recruit Hunter Azalina Togwaggle Druid Elemental Minion Mage Murloc Mage Even Shaman Haddronox Druid (Although technically the deck existed before Witching Hour & Cube) Even Rogue Glinda Meatwagon Lock Tess Rogue (While it could technically fit under "Thief/Burgle Rogue" I feel that the swing turn that Tess brought represents enough of a difference to be its own deck.)
Technically New Decks
Odd Warrior - New take on control/quest warrior Even Warlock - New take on control/handlock Even Pally - New take on aggro pally Odd Pally - New take on aggro pally Whispering Woods Token Druid - New take on Combo/Token Druid Odd Rogue - New take on tempo rogue
For those who don't worship hearthstone replay and let a website tell you what to play and dictate what can make it to legend there are actually many new decks out there, all of which have been streamed multiple times as being legend worthy.
The metas trash. This expansion was trash in terms of power level. Standard itself is having to you absolute trash Vanilla filler cards cause there’s nothing out there. By far worst expansion they’ve ever released to date. I don’t think they’ll ever release a Expansion this bad again. Cause, they realised how bad of a job they’ve done this time round.
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The metas trash. This expansion was trash in terms of power level. Standard itself is having to you absolute trash Vanilla filler cards cause there’s nothing out there. By far worst expansion they’ve ever released to date. I don’t think they’ll ever release a Expansion this bad again. Cause, they realised how bad of a job they’ve done this time round.
People will ALWAYS whine about the meta. Like you need to breathe air into your lungs, the HS community has to exhale meta-whine any giving opportunity.
We've had boring metas (The month right before this most recent set of nerfs was a yawn fest), Shit metas (I really HATED the Shamanstone meta), unfun metas (it was a while back, but there was a time when Face Hunter was every other deck I played), and rock, paper, scissor metas.
All of those were quite a bit worse than what we have now. In fact, I think the meta now is quite top shelf. Not quite as good as the Old Gods meta, but not terribly far down the list.
Everyone has their own opinion on what makes a meta good, so I'm sure there are folks not liking this meta and folks that LOVED the ones I complained about. Just wanted to say I think the meta now is really good.
There will never be a meta that everyone loves because people like to complain about everything. Once one or more decks are doing good on ladder and become meta people start to whine about them, it's impossible for a deck to be meta and everyone to like it. But this meta is great imo, more control and combo decks is what I like over "you are dead by turn 5" aggro decks. Yeah, there are decks like odd rogue/pally but control decks keep them in check. My favorite meta so far, I like every viable deck except one and that would be shudderwock shaman. Without dirty rat you can't break their combo which seems stupid.
IMO people hate this cheat-out-high-mana minion thing that has been around since KaC. Blizzard needs to stop increasing the power level, otherwise they will hit a wall sooner or later. Originally they intended to limit the power level by dividing the Ranked mode into Standard and Wild. WoG was a good start, but MSoG was already too high of a power level. Ungoro was fine as well but then KaC was again too strong in terms of power level.
The reason people moan about this meta is because there is so much diversity they cannot just net deck and brainlessly steam roll there way up the ladder because they will inevitably come up against bad match ups and then they have to actually use their brains to try win sometimes
Personally I like the challenge of the diversity and it allows me to try out random homebrew and meme decks and actually win XD - devilsaur portal warlock
No meta will be perfect but the current one isn't bad in terms of variety. I still dislike Paladin token decks personally but I'm not queuing into the same deck in standard 5+ times like previous metas.
I'm also glad the power level was dialled back too. Odd and even limitations mature the deck building element of the game, which is great. The addition of a Hero card just for Shaman also points to Team5 being more surgical in their application of certain cards or themes. I also see this as a positive. I'd take those developments over absurdly powered cards.
The metas trash. This expansion was trash in terms of power level. Standard itself is having to you absolute trash Vanilla filler cards cause there’s nothing out there. By far worst expansion they’ve ever released to date. I don’t think they’ll ever release a Expansion this bad again. Cause, they realised how bad of a job they’ve done this time round.
So instead of a power reset you wanted another powercreep? K&C and KFT were too powerful, and if you want WW to have taken over the meta, then you really don't know what you're asking for. As it stands now, I think WW has been extremely healthy and a good number of the cards have made their way into the meta.
Rotten applebaum is the new sludge belcher. Voodoo doll is in some cubelocks and all big spell mages. Vicious fledegling is in even shaman and quest paladin. Baku and Genn are way more popular than anyone anticipated. Darius is awesome, and the rush package is used in odd warrior, and has a lot of promise in the future. Witching hour created a new archtype. Shudderwock and Hagatha now define shaman. Azalina is the coolest control tech imo, and enabled togwaggle decks. Lord Godfrey is in a lot of warlock decks. Witchwood grizzly is in recruit hunter, and so is dire frenzy sometimes, not to mention dire frenzy is a really cool card. Wispering woods enabled a new form of token druid. Lifedrinker enabled shudderwock shaman. Scaleworm is played in dragon priest, and nightscale partriach and wyrmguard is sometimes seen as well. Witchwood piper is in some shudderwock shaman and big spell mage decks. Cinderstorm and Vex Crow created a new variant of face mage. Blink fox and Hench-clan Thug are in most rogue decks. Druid of the scythe in in spiteful druid. Nightmare amalgam sees play in some tribal decks. Earthen might is a stable in even shaman, as is murkspark eel. Houndmaster Shaw is in recuirt hunter. Warpath is extremely good in most warrior builds. Rat trap saw play as tech in spell hunter. And many cards are simply great for arena. Gilnean royal card. Furious etin. Silver sword. Many cards have a lot of potential in the future. Dollmaster dorian. Countess Ashmore.
I'll stop. My point is please substantiate your claims, becaue this expansion is not weak. It is balanced. Many of the cards are used, and many others have a lot of potential of being viable if they recieve more support or synergies in future expansions. This expansion that kickstarted the rotation set a solid foundation for the year of the raven.
It's boring because nobody can move anywhere! It's TOO rock/paper/scissors and if you get the wrong match to your deck of choice it's game over 90% of the time. My friends list I keep seeing the same thing. Everyone fluctuating between 2 - 3 ranks going up and down. You have to be extremely lucky in your matchups AND with RNG in your draws in order to get anywhere.
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I feel like the core reason people don’t like this meta, despite it having a huge variety of decks that can be played, is that theres nearly nothing new. There’s no new decks. Except for things like shudderwok shaman (which in general is not liked) and recruit hunter, all the nerfs did was bring the return of old decks like miracle rogue and taunt warrior. Nothing new.
So it feels like we’ve played everything before.
Are you kidding? From the moment of the nerfs, a bunch of new decks became viable. Even warlock is new. Token druid is new. Even shaman is new. Recruit hunter and shudderwock shaman is new. We even saw quest priest come up. There's been experimentation with recruit warrior. Even rogue. Spell hunter even dominated the meta, the only time we've seen it in the meta since the release of K&C. And the return of old decks is not boring to me. Seeing old quests and miracle rogue come back is not something I'd complain about.
The nerfs are a few weeks ago, I just think you got bored of the meta again. The meta is no longer "new".
Also, there's been quite some positivity about the meta. I suggest you add a poll if you think most people don't like the meta.
Because the meta is only about drawing good and snowballing, There is no other meta or game depending on luck like Hearthstone thanks to developers finally it's a gambling game.
hahah saying that means you realy dont know the game or new player that cant past rank 20 because its not gambling at all
We literally have a newer meta because of the nerfs. Decks are always "boring" a month or two after the release of an expansion. Why? Because there's thousands of players to figure out what's good and what's not and it gets figured out quick. In the first 2-3 weeks. Obviously there won't be anything new months afterwards.
Every card game is draw dependent derp. Which can similarly be compared to RNG. (IE: Yugioh, MtG) Not really luck, more like odds. Example: Spiteful summoning a Tyrantus is high now because the odds are much smaller due to a smaller card pool.
Don't care about some random scrub's prejudices. Already at legend and tihs game is all about luck. haha and lul
Pretty sure t is because a lot of people like to complain and will take any opportunity to complain.
There are 2 reason for me disliking this meta:
The meta is not as terrible as others we've seen but hey, I'm really on next expansion waiting room more already.
Its a rock paper scissors meta. Balance is not always a good thing.
If you are in your first year of playing please read this post.
Dust does not burn a hole in the jar. Be careful what you craft, especially before and right after a rotation.
Completely New Decks
Shudderwok Shaman (OTK variants)
Shudderwork Shaman (value variants)
Big/Recruit Hunter
Azalina Togwaggle Druid
Elemental Minion Mage
Murloc Mage
Even Shaman
Haddronox Druid (Although technically the deck existed before Witching Hour & Cube)
Even Rogue
Glinda Meatwagon Lock
Tess Rogue (While it could technically fit under "Thief/Burgle Rogue" I feel that the swing turn that Tess brought represents enough of a difference to be its own deck.)
Technically New Decks
Odd Warrior - New take on control/quest warrior
Even Warlock - New take on control/handlock
Even Pally - New take on aggro pally
Odd Pally - New take on aggro pally
Whispering Woods Token Druid - New take on Combo/Token Druid
Odd Rogue - New take on tempo rogue
For those who don't worship hearthstone replay and let a website tell you what to play and dictate what can make it to legend there are actually many new decks out there, all of which have been streamed multiple times as being legend worthy.
The metas trash. This expansion was trash in terms of power level. Standard itself is having to you absolute trash Vanilla filler cards cause there’s nothing out there. By far worst expansion they’ve ever released to date. I don’t think they’ll ever release a Expansion this bad again. Cause, they realised how bad of a job they’ve done this time round.
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Isn't it more that kobolds was unbalanced?
People will ALWAYS whine about the meta. Like you need to breathe air into your lungs, the HS community has to exhale meta-whine any giving opportunity.
I think the meta is terrific.
We've had boring metas (The month right before this most recent set of nerfs was a yawn fest), Shit metas (I really HATED the Shamanstone meta), unfun metas (it was a while back, but there was a time when Face Hunter was every other deck I played), and rock, paper, scissor metas.
All of those were quite a bit worse than what we have now. In fact, I think the meta now is quite top shelf. Not quite as good as the Old Gods meta, but not terribly far down the list.
Everyone has their own opinion on what makes a meta good, so I'm sure there are folks not liking this meta and folks that LOVED the ones I complained about. Just wanted to say I think the meta now is really good.
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There will never be a meta that everyone loves because people like to complain about everything. Once one or more decks are doing good on ladder and become meta people start to whine about them, it's impossible for a deck to be meta and everyone to like it. But this meta is great imo, more control and combo decks is what I like over "you are dead by turn 5" aggro decks. Yeah, there are decks like odd rogue/pally but control decks keep them in check. My favorite meta so far, I like every viable deck except one and that would be shudderwock shaman. Without dirty rat you can't break their combo which seems stupid.
IMO people hate this cheat-out-high-mana minion thing that has been around since KaC. Blizzard needs to stop increasing the power level, otherwise they will hit a wall sooner or later. Originally they intended to limit the power level by dividing the Ranked mode into Standard and Wild. WoG was a good start, but MSoG was already too high of a power level. Ungoro was fine as well but then KaC was again too strong in terms of power level.
They need to find the balance.
The reason people moan about this meta is because there is so much diversity they cannot just net deck and brainlessly steam roll there way up the ladder because they will inevitably come up against bad match ups and then they have to actually use their brains to try win sometimes
Personally I like the challenge of the diversity and it allows me to try out random homebrew and meme decks and actually win XD - devilsaur portal warlock
No meta will be perfect but the current one isn't bad in terms of variety. I still dislike Paladin token decks personally but I'm not queuing into the same deck in standard 5+ times like previous metas.
I'm also glad the power level was dialled back too. Odd and even limitations mature the deck building element of the game, which is great. The addition of a Hero card just for Shaman also points to Team5 being more surgical in their application of certain cards or themes. I also see this as a positive. I'd take those developments over absurdly powered cards.
Golden Hero Collections thus far; -
Europe: Druid, Hunter, Paladin, Mage, Priest, Rogue, Shaman, Warlock, Warrior (9/9)
Americas: Druid, Mage, Paladin Shaman (4/9)
Everywhere else: Workin on it.. (0/9)
So instead of a power reset you wanted another powercreep? K&C and KFT were too powerful, and if you want WW to have taken over the meta, then you really don't know what you're asking for. As it stands now, I think WW has been extremely healthy and a good number of the cards have made their way into the meta.
Rotten applebaum is the new sludge belcher. Voodoo doll is in some cubelocks and all big spell mages. Vicious fledegling is in even shaman and quest paladin. Baku and Genn are way more popular than anyone anticipated. Darius is awesome, and the rush package is used in odd warrior, and has a lot of promise in the future. Witching hour created a new archtype. Shudderwock and Hagatha now define shaman. Azalina is the coolest control tech imo, and enabled togwaggle decks. Lord Godfrey is in a lot of warlock decks. Witchwood grizzly is in recruit hunter, and so is dire frenzy sometimes, not to mention dire frenzy is a really cool card. Wispering woods enabled a new form of token druid. Lifedrinker enabled shudderwock shaman. Scaleworm is played in dragon priest, and nightscale partriach and wyrmguard is sometimes seen as well. Witchwood piper is in some shudderwock shaman and big spell mage decks. Cinderstorm and Vex Crow created a new variant of face mage. Blink fox and Hench-clan Thug are in most rogue decks. Druid of the scythe in in spiteful druid. Nightmare amalgam sees play in some tribal decks. Earthen might is a stable in even shaman, as is murkspark eel. Houndmaster Shaw is in recuirt hunter. Warpath is extremely good in most warrior builds. Rat trap saw play as tech in spell hunter. And many cards are simply great for arena. Gilnean royal card. Furious etin. Silver sword. Many cards have a lot of potential in the future. Dollmaster dorian. Countess Ashmore.
I'll stop. My point is please substantiate your claims, becaue this expansion is not weak. It is balanced. Many of the cards are used, and many others have a lot of potential of being viable if they recieve more support or synergies in future expansions. This expansion that kickstarted the rotation set a solid foundation for the year of the raven.
It's boring because nobody can move anywhere! It's TOO rock/paper/scissors and if you get the wrong match to your deck of choice it's game over 90% of the time. My friends list I keep seeing the same thing. Everyone fluctuating between 2 - 3 ranks going up and down. You have to be extremely lucky in your matchups AND with RNG in your draws in order to get anywhere.