I think its safe to say that Mana Wyrm should have been nerfed a long time ago.
Other than that I don't feel any need for nerfing anything... Maybe spiteful. Just nerf it to oblivion.
Couldnt agree more. Generally class specific 1 mana 1/3s are a bit too powerfull. Trogg tunneler, mana wyrm, northshire cleric, all of them are pretty busted for a one mana card.
If you nerfed northshire cleric to let's say 2 hp, it would have become unplayable. At least for the ladder. Mana wyrm, on the other hand, can still hit face pretty hard even with 2 hp. Cleric would not have been able to ping anything basically.
What's even more important here is that cleric left alone on board doesn't present any threat on its own what can't be said about mana wyrm.
I mean I won’t complain if big priest gets nerfed but it’s wild. Then again naga got nerfed not too long ago. Any wild players here that would like to see a big priest re-work? Or is it just barnes?
I think its safe to say that Mana Wyrm should have been nerfed a long time ago.
Other than that I don't feel any need for nerfing anything... Maybe spiteful. Just nerf it to oblivion.
Couldnt agree more. Generally class specific 1 mana 1/3s are a bit too powerfull. Trogg tunneler, mana wyrm, northshire cleric, all of them are pretty busted for a one mana card.
If you nerfed northshire cleric to let's say 2 hp, it would have become unplayable. At least for the ladder. Mana wyrm, on the other hand, can still hit face pretty hard even with 2 hp. Cleric would not have been able to ping anything basically.
What's even more important here is that cleric left alone on board doesn't present any threat on its own what can't be said about mana wyrm.
I get what You're saying but the problem with northshire cleric are not the stats, probably its mana cost, its a one mana card that can draw insane amount of cards easily combined with probably 1/3 of priest spells.
I think its safe to say that Mana Wyrm should have been nerfed a long time ago.
Other than that I don't feel any need for nerfing anything... Maybe spiteful. Just nerf it to oblivion.
Couldnt agree more. Generally class specific 1 mana 1/3s are a bit too powerfull. Trogg tunneler, mana wyrm, northshire cleric, all of them are pretty busted for a one mana card.
They already are happening. Seeing people asking for Kirin Tor Mage to be nerfed now of all things, freaking Kirin Tor Mage for crying out loud, you know a vanilla card that has been around in the game for how long now?
People will whine about anything.
I'd love to see a lot of the classic set disappear. Not nerfs per se, just gone. Make the game different. I've beaten the drum on Doomguard for a while: it's over-stat-ed, adds an awkward amount of burst damage, and it's just boring. We've been playing against it forever, and I want to see new stuff. Let's ditch Nourish, and give druid other different options for ramp or card draw. Lunar Visions was an interesting idea, that was just never going to see play in a world with Nourish in it.
I haven't given Kirin Tor Mage any thought until you mentioned it, but let's see it go away, too. It's been a pretty on-again/off-again card in Mage, but yeah. To heck with the old. It was cool that it Arcanologist came along, gave new life to this old card for a while, but just as it was good there wasn't too long of an overlap between Reno Jackson and Kazakus, let's keep it moving. It would have been better and more vibrant if Kirin Tor Mage had been HoF'd. Maybe rotate it back in sometime.
This permanent classic set, by it's very nature, irks me, and the irritation increases as time passes and so much stays the same. It's not about power. It's about making the game ever-changing.
Murloc Paladin is still busted, Druid is going to be the most played class now that Warlock and Pally took hits. The Spiteful nerf did nothing and the card will continue to see play EXCEPT we might start seeing it in Baku lists??? The Quest nerf for Rogue is memeworthy.
I dunno. Seemed like a pretty good set of nerfs to me. And Blizz obviously thought they were necessary, so maybe the whining was actually justified?
Sometimes whining isn't just for 'my deck to always win'. But, it's because a deck/card is OP. I don't know how anyone can look me in the eyes and tell me CTA wasn't in NEED of a nerf.
I could have lived with Spiteful until next set and just release some bad 10 drops. Soft nerf. But, I'm happy to take the free dust.
The other nerfs just are there to try and shake up the meta. We will see how they worked.
They already are happening. Seeing people asking for Kirin Tor Mage to be nerfed now of all things, freaking Kirin Tor Mage for crying out loud, you know a vanilla card that has been around in the game for how long now?
People will whine about anything.
Just because something is a vanilla card doesn't mean it can't become broken with new synergies. Nobody gave a crap about Bloodreaver Gul'dan when Frozen Throne came out and warlock was at its worst at that time. All of a sudden Voidlord and Lackey show up and people call for nerfs. Similarly, Master of Disguise was nerfed for limiting design space despite almost never being used. I don't think Kirin Tor needs to be nerfed but if you've ever stepped foot in wild, you can see that aggro secret mage is really tough to deal with. It's not that absurd to think that a vanilla stat'd minion with a massive upside would deserve a nerf, particularly with all the secret synergy now available forever in wild.
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It already started. I called being a fuckface when I played Reno decks today because apparently I'm not allowed to heal back to 30 while they are playing Tempo Odd Rogue. I already seen a couple of threads about Quest Priest and Even Warlock in Standart... People will always call for nerfs no matter what. I know this is unpopular opinion but I'm glad Blizzard doesn't listen to every whine thread because if they did, we would end up playing with Boulderfist Ogre s as our 6 mana drop and even then it would be nerfed to 4/5 lol.
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I'm happy with these soft nerfs rather than completely destroying cards. But personally i'd prefer to see monthly card balances where certain cards can also be buffed (for example cards that the team decides were nerfed a little too hard) or maybe help out some unused cards such as Kidnapper.
That's all, I don't think card patches necessarily have to be just nerfs, but blizzard seem to think that way.
I mean I won’t complain if big priest gets nerfed but it’s wild. Then again naga got nerfed not too long ago. Any wild players here that would like to see a big priest re-work? Or is it just barnes?
Barnes please needs it. Hes the worst offender of that deck, granted it could backfire and it does nothing and just naturally casts all the big drops. Barnes is the problem.
I think its safe to say that Mana Wyrm should have been nerfed a long time ago.
Other than that I don't feel any need for nerfing anything... Maybe spiteful. Just nerf it to oblivion.
Couldnt agree more. Generally class specific 1 mana 1/3s are a bit too powerfull. Trogg tunneler, mana wyrm, northshire cleric, all of them are pretty busted for a one mana card.
Nerf Quest Rogue already ffs.
Spitefull is still doing its thing. Quest rogue dropped a bit but once its tinkered with it will again have 90% wr vs control decks. Nerfs needed
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There has never been a time, in the history of Hearthstone, where someone wasn't calling for a nerf. Justified or not.
So long as there is more than one person playing this game, there will be someone asking for a nerf.
I mean I won’t complain if big priest gets nerfed but it’s wild. Then again naga got nerfed not too long ago. Any wild players here that would like to see a big priest re-work? Or is it just barnes?
Just wait - the clamoring for a 10 mana Hadronox is coming.
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Murloc Paladin is still busted, Druid is going to be the most played class now that Warlock and Pally took hits. The Spiteful nerf did nothing and the card will continue to see play EXCEPT we might start seeing it in Baku lists??? The Quest nerf for Rogue is memeworthy.
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I dunno. Seemed like a pretty good set of nerfs to me. And Blizz obviously thought they were necessary, so maybe the whining was actually justified?
Sometimes whining isn't just for 'my deck to always win'. But, it's because a deck/card is OP. I don't know how anyone can look me in the eyes and tell me CTA wasn't in NEED of a nerf.
I could have lived with Spiteful until next set and just release some bad 10 drops. Soft nerf. But, I'm happy to take the free dust.
The other nerfs just are there to try and shake up the meta. We will see how they worked.
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They never stop, people have been complaining since the game went live and they will continue to do so until it dies.
The real question is "when will they stop?"
Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health.
- Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished
It already started. I called being a fuckface when I played Reno decks today because apparently I'm not allowed to heal back to 30 while they are playing Tempo Odd Rogue. I already seen a couple of threads about Quest Priest and Even Warlock in Standart... People will always call for nerfs no matter what. I know this is unpopular opinion but I'm glad Blizzard doesn't listen to every whine thread because if they did, we would end up playing with Boulderfist Ogre s as our 6 mana drop and even then it would be nerfed to 4/5 lol.
Moving into https://outof.cards/members/firepaladinhs/decks
Shudderwock anyone ?
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I'm happy with these soft nerfs rather than completely destroying cards. But personally i'd prefer to see monthly card balances where certain cards can also be buffed (for example cards that the team decides were nerfed a little too hard) or maybe help out some unused cards such as Kidnapper.
That's all, I don't think card patches necessarily have to be just nerfs, but blizzard seem to think that way.
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