I'm playing Elemental-Hagatha shaman, I aim for control. I always out-control them, they are running out of resources, 4+ cards into fatigue, because I always make them 2+ draw with acolyte. Then they slam this card onto the board, and as shaman, I have no spells to deal with it.
Any suggestions, or I should just flame Team 5, like all good hearthpwners do, because of bullshit boardflood cards, where you lose without having a brawl / twisting nether type card in your class.
Murmuring elemental + kalimos combo is the only thing in my mind, that can actually take care of this.
Murmuring elemental and Hagatha also does the trick. Or double Lightning Storm
Wild has most of the good shaman clears though.
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I can't afford to keep Hagatha until we hit fatigue. As I said, they always play it as the last card. Keeping my hero card in a heavy control battle is impossible. Same goes for kalimos, but he seems to be the only option, I have to keep an elemental activation and the murmuring + kalimos combo for this particular situation... I guess I lose
There's always the other option of pressuring them enough that they can't play it. I'm not too familiar with the matchup since I don't have Hagatha, but I would guess there might be some way to do so. Especially with the double battle cry on the hero damaging option of Kalimos.
Sadly, my deck doesn't have the option, to face-race Frost Lich Jaina. I use the faceburn tactic, when I have a good fire elemental, blazecaller, murmuring elemental, and kalimos hand, against cubelocks. But against frost lich jaina, it's not working :/
Hes asking for an constant way to deal with Alanna idk for what this kind of answer serves. Better be quiet instead of givin rng dependent solutions. It serves no purpose rly.
For not beein completly off topic. as i dont play shaman very often i cant help u to much. but if alanna is the only card in this matchup that causes u problems try to have a board to trade the dragons or keep ur boardclears for exact this card. even if u wanna use them before dont do it. at the end it will make no difference to lose the moment u dont play the boardclear or to loose to alanna because u lack those boardclears.
I understand your point in keeping the kalimos combo until the end, but do you actually telling me to keep the hero card until fatigue? Without the hero card, I stand ZERO chance against turn 9 frost lich jaina :D I hope you're not serious in that one
I would assume Lightning Storm + Volcano would be enough, especially if you run a Thalnos. in this matchup I don't believe you need that many boardclears, and there's also the question on what your win condition is (and is it good enough) that the opponent can overrun you.
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There is no clear cut way. If you get any boardclear from Hagatha, keep it for the Alana. If you have Shudderwock keep one till the end because it can replicate Kalimos and Hagatha. Make sure it will activate Kalimos, so try to figure out when Alanna is coming and play an Elemental the turn before. If you do not have Shudderwock, you should try to get one. I play it in all Late-/Mid-Game Shaman Decks, even outside of the combo deck and it is a great wincon.
Other than that, Control Mage can play really, really greedy, thanks to Jaina's HP, so usually she just grinds other control decks to dust.
Hes asking for an constant way to deal with Alanna idk for what this kind of answer serves. Better be quiet instead of givin rng dependent solutions. It serves no purpose rly.
For not beein completly off topic. as i dont play shaman very often i cant help u to much. but if alanna is the only card in this matchup that causes u problems try to have a board to trade the dragons or keep ur boardclears for exact this card. even if u wanna use them before dont do it. at the end it will make no difference to lose the moment u dont play the boardclear or to loose to alanna because u lack those boardclears.
There is no "constant way to deal with Alanna" aside from saving your boardclears, which shaman only has a few. Surely he already knows that. There is no hard counter to it for shaman. Maybe saving double volcano, but even that's not guaranteed if it's a full board of dragons. The only consistent way to beat alanna decks is to kill them before they can play the fully charged card.
I wanted to avoid shudderwock, because it can backfire heavily if I want to play cards like Fire Elemental and Blazecaller.
I even thought about playing runespear, to somehow answer the board... It's not a hard matchup when they don't play alanna, they usually draw too much and die to fatigue while I don't play my mana tide totems and other draw cards. When there's alanna, I can't answer it and lose. Not keeping Kalimos might be the misplay causing this, but i'm still shocked by the guy telling me to keep Hagatha until we're deep into fatigue, after a 20+ min control game, just to murmuring+hagatha the Alanna board
Hes asking for an constant way to deal with Alanna idk for what this kind of answer serves. Better be quiet instead of givin rng dependent solutions. It serves no purpose rly.
For not beein completly off topic. as i dont play shaman very often i cant help u to much. but if alanna is the only card in this matchup that causes u problems try to have a board to trade the dragons or keep ur boardclears for exact this card. even if u wanna use them before dont do it. at the end it will make no difference to lose the moment u dont play the boardclear or to loose to alanna because u lack those boardclears.
There is no "constant way to deal with Alanna" aside from saving your boardclears, which shaman only has a few. Surely he already knows that. There is no hard counter to it for shaman. Maybe saving double volcano, but even that's not guaranteed if it's a full board of dragons. The only consistent way to beat alanna decks is to kill them before they can play the fully charged card.
also, it's LOSE, not loose.
there are more usefull answers as the one u gave him before.
I understand your point in keeping the kalimos combo until the end, but do you actually telling me to keep the hero card until fatigue? Without the hero card, I stand ZERO chance against turn 9 frost lich jaina :D I hope you're not serious in that one
You have to think what is actually going to win you each different game. Sometimes you might need to save the Kalimos Combo, sometimes the Hagatha Combo, and you have to look at each game independently to see what will win you. Your opponent will not always have Jaina on 9 (Hell if they are like me, Jaina is almost always on the 20th or later card in the deck). If you see that they have Jaina and Hagatha, you want to try and hold Hagatha for Jaina and Kalimos for Alanna. And yes, I'm serious on this one. Some games, you can Hagatha on Alanna because Jaina might not require you to Hagatha right away, specially when they have it late in the game.
The Mage doesn't apply pressure for the most part, you can generally easily remove their threats as they are very few and you can keep the removal for them.
So the trick is not playing anything against them, they can't generate elementals, and without the value from their hero card, I don't need the value of my hero card?
It's not even stupid, if they don't have 1 cost minions to ping for free elementals
Reading your replies, it seems to me the deck you should be playing is control warlock. Here you have answers like twisting nether to deal with any kind of boardstate.
To me it seems like we found a solution, thanks for helping me out. Feel free to further discuss the situation, if you want.
What I want to add is: The only thing making me angry, is how I have to play around a particular card by not playing anything, while they just slam their shit on the board.
It's very hard to beat Jaina in fatigue, especially in control-mirror matches. It's very hard to win on the board because of pinging. This leaves you with two other conditions- out controlling/otk or going full aggro. With your control shaman deck, all of these might be difficult, especially without some other game plan like Shudderwock, etc.
If it is only this one card beating you, keep something to deal with it. Play Hagatha early if you can't afford to keep it, and play minions to the point that you obtain Lightning Storms or Volcanoes. Hold on to the lightning storms and maybe play a strong spellpower minion. Malygos for example can come out of your hand the turn before they play Dragoncaller, then you can just lightning storm and gg.
Add something in to the Malygos plan with frost shocks, etc. to otk the opponent.
Also if you want more help, maybe create your deck and share it in this thread so we can discuss it further instead of just telling you things to do.
I lost a won game for the second time against Dragoncaller Alanna
I'm playing Elemental-Hagatha shaman, I aim for control. I always out-control them, they are running out of resources, 4+ cards into fatigue, because I always make them 2+ draw with acolyte. Then they slam this card onto the board, and as shaman, I have no spells to deal with it.
Any suggestions, or I should just flame Team 5, like all good hearthpwners do, because of bullshit boardflood cards, where you lose without having a brawl / twisting nether type card in your class.
Murmuring elemental + kalimos combo is the only thing in my mind, that can actually take care of this.
Murmuring elemental and Hagatha also does the trick. Or double Lightning Storm
Wild has most of the good shaman clears though.
Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health.
- Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished
I can't afford to keep Hagatha until we hit fatigue. As I said, they always play it as the last card. Keeping my hero card in a heavy control battle is impossible. Same goes for kalimos, but he seems to be the only option, I have to keep an elemental activation and the murmuring + kalimos combo for this particular situation... I guess I lose
There's always the other option of pressuring them enough that they can't play it. I'm not too familiar with the matchup since I don't have Hagatha, but I would guess there might be some way to do so. Especially with the double battle cry on the hero damaging option of Kalimos.
Darkmire moonkin + lightning storm and pray.
Sadly, my deck doesn't have the option, to face-race Frost Lich Jaina. I use the faceburn tactic, when I have a good fire elemental, blazecaller, murmuring elemental, and kalimos hand, against cubelocks. But against frost lich jaina, it's not working :/
Lich king+death grip is pretty good, if the stars align and RNG is in your favor.
Hes asking for an constant way to deal with Alanna idk for what this kind of answer serves. Better be quiet instead of givin rng dependent solutions. It serves no purpose rly.
For not beein completly off topic. as i dont play shaman very often i cant help u to much. but if alanna is the only card in this matchup that causes u problems try to have a board to trade the dragons or keep ur boardclears for exact this card. even if u wanna use them before dont do it. at the end it will make no difference to lose the moment u dont play the boardclear or to loose to alanna because u lack those boardclears.
I understand your point in keeping the kalimos combo until the end, but do you actually telling me to keep the hero card until fatigue? Without the hero card, I stand ZERO chance against turn 9 frost lich jaina :D I hope you're not serious in that one
I would assume Lightning Storm + Volcano would be enough, especially if you run a Thalnos. in this matchup I don't believe you need that many boardclears, and there's also the question on what your win condition is (and is it good enough) that the opponent can overrun you.
''He traded sands for skins, skins for gold, gold for life. In the end, he traded life for sand.''
(.o.))~ ~(('o') (.o.))~
Just accept the defeat
There is no clear cut way. If you get any boardclear from Hagatha, keep it for the Alana. If you have Shudderwock keep one till the end because it can replicate Kalimos and Hagatha. Make sure it will activate Kalimos, so try to figure out when Alanna is coming and play an Elemental the turn before. If you do not have Shudderwock, you should try to get one. I play it in all Late-/Mid-Game Shaman Decks, even outside of the combo deck and it is a great wincon.
Other than that, Control Mage can play really, really greedy, thanks to Jaina's HP, so usually she just grinds other control decks to dust.
I wanted to avoid shudderwock, because it can backfire heavily if I want to play cards like Fire Elemental and Blazecaller.
I even thought about playing runespear, to somehow answer the board... It's not a hard matchup when they don't play alanna, they usually draw too much and die to fatigue while I don't play my mana tide totems and other draw cards. When there's alanna, I can't answer it and lose. Not keeping Kalimos might be the misplay causing this, but i'm still shocked by the guy telling me to keep Hagatha until we're deep into fatigue, after a 20+ min control game, just to murmuring+hagatha the Alanna board
Disregard this comment, I'm bad at editing
It's not even stupid, if they don't have 1 cost minions to ping for free elementals
Reading your replies, it seems to me the deck you should be playing is control warlock. Here you have answers like twisting nether to deal with any kind of boardstate.
To me it seems like we found a solution, thanks for helping me out. Feel free to further discuss the situation, if you want.
What I want to add is: The only thing making me angry, is how I have to play around a particular card by not playing anything, while they just slam their shit on the board.
In my opinion, cards like N'Zoth, the Corruptor and Dragoncaller Alanna are very unhealthy, and are reasons we don't actually need a control meta.
It's very hard to beat Jaina in fatigue, especially in control-mirror matches. It's very hard to win on the board because of pinging. This leaves you with two other conditions- out controlling/otk or going full aggro. With your control shaman deck, all of these might be difficult, especially without some other game plan like Shudderwock, etc.
If it is only this one card beating you, keep something to deal with it. Play Hagatha early if you can't afford to keep it, and play minions to the point that you obtain Lightning Storms or Volcanoes. Hold on to the lightning storms and maybe play a strong spellpower minion. Malygos for example can come out of your hand the turn before they play Dragoncaller, then you can just lightning storm and gg.
Add something in to the Malygos plan with frost shocks, etc. to otk the opponent.
Also if you want more help, maybe create your deck and share it in this thread so we can discuss it further instead of just telling you things to do.