or the late 90s-early/mid 00s NBA Eastern Conference.
Many people are thinking about the possible nerf in the balance patch after the HCT. I'm dreading the meta that comes after it. All I can see is some old deck we've seen before creep out the corner, dust itself off, and dominate.
Why?
1) The Witchwood forced deck archetypes are awful. I played that brawl with all the Witchwood decks. Those decks were bad. They weren't optimized but they feel too underpowered to even get anywhere with optimization. Only Rush Warrior is even sitting in Tier 3 waiting for their chance.
2) Many of the old decks are incomplete due to the rotation. The rotation hit a lot of the old decks hard.
3) A lot of 2017 was classes taking up packages because their new class cards couldn't compete. The year of the Mammoth was plagued by classes snatching up neutral cards to make solid tempo decks. Sometimes it was to make up for weak expansion cards like Warrior and Hunter.
4) Some decks look like they are incomplete and waiting for new expansions. Well I am hoping for this with Emeriss at least.
So after the nerfs, we might see a bunch of kinda weak decks in multiple classes balanced against each other which are utterly crushed by 1 or 2 decks that slips through. The gap between Tier 1 and Tier 2 might end up massive.
Ahahah everyone who complains about the current meta hasn t played hearthstone for long. I m talking about Undertaker Hunter meta, Druidstone, Aggro shaman meta, Pirate Warrior and Razakus meta. Did i miss anything?
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the only thing that will happen after the nerfs is that there will be new t1 decks or some already exsisting t1 decks stay the same in power level and people will complain for more nerfs and then it repeats itself
If you are complaining about the new meta and new decks being unfun, fine, but it’s impossible to know what those decks will be.
But you are complaining that the decks won’t be strong enough, which makes no sense since power is only relative to the other decks, so by definition there /always/ has to be strong decks.
My fear with the nerfs is that there will be another tier 1 deck that overruns the meta and we are right back where we started.
The meta is the wrost meta ever played. I am so disappointed. It can be even wrost but I don’t care because I left standard. In any case I want see this nerfs for wild:
Naga, warlock, Paladin.
I will not play standard because it will be again an horrible meta, but, at least, I would have fun in wild in a better balanced game.
Ahahah everyone who complains about the current meta hasn t played hearthstone for long. I m talking about Undertaker Hunter meta, Druidstone, Aggro shaman meta, Pirate Warrior and Razakus meta. Did i miss anything?
We remember everything man. This meta is not a bad meta because there is a deck totally overpowered. There are decks strong like warlock and pala and ok they deserve nerfs and fine. But the real problem of this meta man is that it is BORED but really really bored. Nothing new compared to Kobolds a meta sooo bored, we are playing practically the same decks since 6 months. Blizzard fail in this expansion was the card design. They made a big fail doing the design while they was farting. So Witchwood= BORED.
So at the end if you consider a bored expansion with Warlocks and Pala overpowered (for the second expansion is a row) here you have the wrost meta ever had.
1) The Witchwood forced deck archetypes are awful. I played that brawl with all the Witchwood decks. Those decks were bad. They weren't optimized but they feel too underpowered to even get anywhere with optimization. Only Rush Warrior is even sitting in Tier 3 waiting for their chance.
i want to see dark pact getting rekt so freakin hard by the nerf hammer, i dont care about the consequences of it, and im sure giantlock will die and they will fix NGW
Ahahah everyone who complains about the current meta hasn t played hearthstone for long. I m talking about Undertaker Hunter meta, Druidstone, Aggro shaman meta, Pirate Warrior and Razakus meta. Did i miss anything?
We remember everything man. This meta is not a bad meta because there is a deck totally overpowered. There are decks strong like warlock and pala and ok they deserve nerfs and fine. But the real problem of this meta man is that it is BORED but really really bored. Nothing new compared to Kobolds a meta sooo bored, we are playing practically the same decks since 6 months. Blizzard fail in this expansion was the card design. They made a big fail doing the design while they was farting. So Witchwood= BORED.
So at the end if you consider a bored expansion with Warlocks and Pala overpowered (for the second expansion is a row) here you have the wrost meta ever had.
THANKYOU! We need that new expansion feeling that the witchwood left us wanting for, mass nerfs would be spicy, but not so practical.
Will Blizzard do anything drastic? - No
Would it be great for the meta if they did? - Yes. Things are very stale at the moment
Let me tell you something.. Im not cubelock player nor paladin player... And yes im not spiteful player either... But i dont wanna nerf any card... 2 weeks after nerfs you will complain about new tier1 deck...i dont have problems with any of tier 1 decks..yes, i win and i lose against them...but that is the point of competition..you cant win always, just accept that!!
Remember when everbody was crying about Raza and how "nothing" could be worse than that? Yeah look at where we are now.
You think this is worse than being at 20+ life and getting blown down by Raza-Anduin shenanigans? I played that deck. This is not as bad as that.
On the OP's concerns:
1) WW didn't *force* new archetypes. You are no more obliged to play Odd or Even decks now than you were before. Some of them *are* really good, but you don't *have* to play them to be competitive. While Even and Odd Paladin are both doing well, the only other classes I've seen really shine with it are Even Rogue and Even Warlock. Odd is still kinda ehhhh from what I've seen. Further, the most powerful and popular Druid archetype is the Spiteful type, not Hand as was indicated by WW.
2) It's like saying that rain is wet that old deck archetypes lost cards and are subsequently incomplete. Fact of life. No different than the advent of the Year of the Mammoth.
3) Is there some reason why 'taking up packages' is bad? I agree that the Patches the Pirate and any other 2-4 pirates in 2017 was obnoxious and it needed dealing with. That said, there is no package that I feel is even remotely as ubiquitous as that was in the Witchwood.
4) I will agree that some of the card selection for Odds and Evens DO look incomplete. And that some concepts have once again been started, with only a mystery as to whether or not they'll be finished. (Freeze Shaman, anybody?) But, that doesn't really mean any kind of meta shift.
You've taken some somewhat reasonable concerns and attached them as an overly large concern toward the health of the meta. Most of what you said barely relates to the nerfs. What is likeliest, if everything does change as the community expects, is that the two power classes at the top of the meta will either be forced to adapt. And with their power down will come another meta shift. I do not presently see anything else as degenerate as some of the things we've seen before, even pre-nerfs. I don't think you have nearly so much to worry about as you perceive there to be.
or the late 90s-early/mid 00s NBA Eastern Conference.
Many people are thinking about the possible nerf in the balance patch after the HCT. I'm dreading the meta that comes after it. All I can see is some old deck we've seen before creep out the corner, dust itself off, and dominate.
Why?
1) The Witchwood forced deck archetypes are awful. I played that brawl with all the Witchwood decks. Those decks were bad. They weren't optimized but they feel too underpowered to even get anywhere with optimization. Only Rush Warrior is even sitting in Tier 3 waiting for their chance.
2) Many of the old decks are incomplete due to the rotation. The rotation hit a lot of the old decks hard.
3) A lot of 2017 was classes taking up packages because their new class cards couldn't compete. The year of the Mammoth was plagued by classes snatching up neutral cards to make solid tempo decks. Sometimes it was to make up for weak expansion cards like Warrior and Hunter.
4) Some decks look like they are incomplete and waiting for new expansions. Well I am hoping for this with Emeriss at least.
So after the nerfs, we might see a bunch of kinda weak decks in multiple classes balanced against each other which are utterly crushed by 1 or 2 decks that slips through. The gap between Tier 1 and Tier 2 might end up massive.
There are plenty of fun/solid decks from this expansion. Nothing can be worse than the current meta.
I think you're just letting paranoia get to you.
waauw making a topic over the meta after the nerf hamemr comming that takes at least 2 weeks
Ahahah everyone who complains about the current meta hasn t played hearthstone for long. I m talking about Undertaker Hunter meta, Druidstone, Aggro shaman meta, Pirate Warrior and Razakus meta. Did i miss anything?
"The flow of time is always cruel... its speed seems different for each person, but no one can change it... A thing that does not change with time is a memory of younger days..."
I fear that cubelock will become the only good deck if nerfs ensue, nothing can stop that class and no one wants to deal with it
Big Priest will return as a T1 deck. Perfect time to go on HS hiatus until summer
If you are complaining about the new meta and new decks being unfun, fine, but it’s impossible to know what those decks will be.
But you are complaining that the decks won’t be strong enough, which makes no sense since power is only relative to the other decks, so by definition there /always/ has to be strong decks.
My fear with the nerfs is that there will be another tier 1 deck that overruns the meta and we are right back where we started.
The meta is the wrost meta ever played. I am so disappointed. It can be even wrost but I don’t care because I left standard. In any case I want see this nerfs for wild:
Naga, warlock, Paladin.
I will not play standard because it will be again an horrible meta, but, at least, I would have fun in wild in a better balanced game.
Probably because you are cubelock player
i want to see dark pact getting rekt so freakin hard by the nerf hammer, i dont care about the consequences of it, and im sure giantlock will die and they will fix NGW
The only threat for the future meta is Control Priest, being fended off only by Quest Rogue.
Other than that, everything will be fair enough (as long as they nerf enough cards of the revealed options).
I wish noobs would stop using the words "forced archetype".
You think this is worse than being at 20+ life and getting blown down by Raza-Anduin shenanigans? I played that deck. This is not as bad as that.
On the OP's concerns:
1) WW didn't *force* new archetypes. You are no more obliged to play Odd or Even decks now than you were before. Some of them *are* really good, but you don't *have* to play them to be competitive. While Even and Odd Paladin are both doing well, the only other classes I've seen really shine with it are Even Rogue and Even Warlock. Odd is still kinda ehhhh from what I've seen. Further, the most powerful and popular Druid archetype is the Spiteful type, not Hand as was indicated by WW.
2) It's like saying that rain is wet that old deck archetypes lost cards and are subsequently incomplete. Fact of life. No different than the advent of the Year of the Mammoth.
3) Is there some reason why 'taking up packages' is bad? I agree that the Patches the Pirate and any other 2-4 pirates in 2017 was obnoxious and it needed dealing with. That said, there is no package that I feel is even remotely as ubiquitous as that was in the Witchwood.
4) I will agree that some of the card selection for Odds and Evens DO look incomplete. And that some concepts have once again been started, with only a mystery as to whether or not they'll be finished. (Freeze Shaman, anybody?) But, that doesn't really mean any kind of meta shift.
You've taken some somewhat reasonable concerns and attached them as an overly large concern toward the health of the meta. Most of what you said barely relates to the nerfs. What is likeliest, if everything does change as the community expects, is that the two power classes at the top of the meta will either be forced to adapt. And with their power down will come another meta shift. I do not presently see anything else as degenerate as some of the things we've seen before, even pre-nerfs. I don't think you have nearly so much to worry about as you perceive there to be.
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