I expect nerfs to be announced in a week or two with the balance patch going live near the end of May. We should see anywhere from 5 to 8 cards get hit.
Extremely unlikely that 8 cards will be nerfed. They're looking at 10 cards but said they won't be nerfing all of them. The last batch of nerfs hit more problematic cards than we have this time, and only 4 were changed then.
The meta isn't going to change much, if at all if Blizz doesn't go heavy on the nerfs. Paladin and warlock are so broken OP they need at least 2 or 3 nerfs just to drop down to tier 2. Rogue quest almost certainly will be nerfed according to my friend who's a pro. We also believe the warlock DK is getting hit as well. I don't think nerfing just call to arms is enough, they need to also hit sunkeeper.
Warlock is broken but it's actually due to being able to put out 5 mana charge minions without a downside and 9 mana taunt minions at turn 5. Everything else, from the cubes to the DK, abuse this one major mechanic. Make this less reliable and the rest falls apart.
To be blunt, if Lackey were to be removed from the game, Warlock would be tier 3 at best with a middling zoo deck. Control style decks would just die, even with the insanely powered DK.
I don't think we need to REMOVE lackey but just wanted to show how dependent the deck is to lackey sacrificing to do what it does. Thus nerfing that spot will regulate the rest of the deck.
And I'm personally for putting Lackey to 6 and one other change. Which one wil be fine though no more than one of these:
Dark Pact: Only heals if it's used on a demon. OR +1 mana
DK: Summons 'different' demons (thus only 1 voidlord, 1 Doomguard, ext. See Diamond Spellstone)
Voidlord: Summons 3 1/3s without taunt. (personally hate this one though)
Personally I prefer Lackey + theDK change or, at MOST, Lackey+DK+ heal on demon Dark Pact. Keeps the core of what the deck does working but doesn't let them do the silly stuff llike , say, summon 10000 doomguards for 10 mana or pull a 3/18 worth of taunt while healing for 8 at turn 6. They will be vulnerable to midrange decks and decks that can fatigue them out but can still do powerful things to stay a good deck.
Changes no doubt delayed because of tournament play. So lame. Respect your average consumer first.
Yes, I'm sure you will feel way more distressed about playing the game without the changes for an extra month compared to the people that spent the last few months preparing for a tournament for 8h a day.
Jesus christ, these forums are starting to make me lose faith in mankind as a whole.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Have they ever nerfed more than 4 cards at once? I seem to recall the last two balance changes involved four cards.
My guess - Gul'Dan (1), Dark Pact (2), Quest Rogue (3) and Call to Arms (4).
Warlock nerfs are obvious.
Quest Rogue - not sure what to do about it - but something.
Call To Arms is more complicated. It can't be made to cost 3 or 5 mana. It would blow up Even Paladin and simultaneously potentially boost Odd Paladin. So the card has to do something (slightly) differently..
Changes no doubt delayed because of tournament play. So lame. Respect your average consumer first.
Yes, I'm sure you will feel way more distressed about playing the game without the changes for an extra month compared to the people that spent the last few months preparing for a tournament for 8h a day.
Jesus christ, these forums are starting to make me lose faith in mankind as a whole.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Thing is, we're not talking about "needs". You(and me) are adults who play a children's card game in our free time. If said children's card game happens to be in a pretty poor state for another 2 weeks, we can just live with the fact(or play something else). If you actually play the game for a living and have been putting in work to prepare for a competition for the last few months, that's just not the same fucking thing. Obviously the best move from a business standpoint would be to just release it and say "fuck you" to everyone playing at the event, you don't have to tell me that. But that doesn't mean it would be the ethical thing to do.
And yeah, I'm done debating this. You people clearly had a very different upbringing than myself and/or are a different age, so it's not like I can make you understand what it's like to have people spit in your daily job.
Changes no doubt delayed because of tournament play. So lame. Respect your average consumer first.
Yes, I'm sure you will feel way more distressed about playing the game without the changes for an extra month compared to the people that spent the last few months preparing for a tournament for 8h a day.
Jesus christ, these forums are starting to make me lose faith in mankind as a whole.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Thing is, we're not talking about "needs". You(and me) are adults who play a children's card game in our free time. If said children's card game happens to be in a pretty poor state for another 2 weeks, we can just live with the fact(or play something else). If you actually play the game for a living and have been putting in work to prepare for a competition for the last few months, that's just not the same fucking thing. Obviously the best move from a business standpoint would be to just release it and say "fuck you" to everyone playing at the event, you don't have to tell me that. But that doesn't mean it would be the ethical thing to do.
And yeah, I'm done debating this. You people clearly had a very different upbringing than myself and/or are a different age, so it's not like I can make you understand what it's like to have people spit in your daily job.
Everyone at the event would be at exactly equal footing so this argument has no merit. Also, give me a sec, I need to find the worlds smallest violin to play just for the professional videogame players.
Changes no doubt delayed because of tournament play. So lame. Respect your average consumer first.
Yes, I'm sure you will feel way more distressed about playing the game without the changes for an extra month compared to the people that spent the last few months preparing for a tournament for 8h a day.
Jesus christ, these forums are starting to make me lose faith in mankind as a whole.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Thing is, we're not talking about "needs". You(and me) are adults who play a children's card game in our free time. If said children's card game happens to be in a pretty poor state for another 2 weeks, we can just live with the fact(or play something else). If you actually play the game for a living and have been putting in work to prepare for a competition for the last few months, that's just not the same fucking thing. Obviously the best move from a business standpoint would be to just release it and say "fuck you" to everyone playing at the event, you don't have to tell me that. But that doesn't mean it would be the ethical thing to do.
And yeah, I'm done debating this. You people clearly had a very different upbringing than myself and/or are a different age, so it's not like I can make you understand what it's like to have people spit in your daily job.
Everyone at the event would be at exactly equal footing so this argument has no merit. Also, give me a sec, I need to find the worlds smallest violin to play just for the professional videogame players.
Yes, people do play videogames for a living in this day and age. And yes, some people somehow feel that HS is a good game to be playing at a competitive level(which by the way, I do find silly, even if I don't judge people for it). That's just how it is, and if you can't handle it, I suggest you cultivate yourself, because e-sports have been around since the late 90's, and some people have made more money on it than you and me will for out entire lives. It is a legit job, and should be treated as one.
Also, I think you need to get informed about how competition in general works. Let's say someone has practiced cubelock for 8h a day, eversince the deck exists, and is currently at an advantage over people who didn't. Now you just nerf cubelock to the ground. won't that maybe, MAYBE, fuck up the people who did that? This is just a fairly obvious example, but there are obviously many more. Your argument about "equal footing" makes no sense, and if you talk to anyone who is actually connected to e-sports they'll tell you the exact same thing.
I don't know how much stock folks put into sites like hsreplay.net but over the last week the meta settled to only 2 T1 decks: even and murloc pally. Spiteful and Cubelock deck are running 51-54% win rate over the past week. I just don't get the popular hate around these decks. Ya they win, just a little bit more than they loose. How is the meta so upside down that we NEED a balance change. I can see a Call to Arms and MAYBE Dark Pact nerf being justified but really thats it... We don't need no big balance changes. Hey, Blizzard leave the meta alone.
Changes no doubt delayed because of tournament play. So lame. Respect your average consumer first.
Yes, I'm sure you will feel way more distressed about playing the game without the changes for an extra month compared to the people that spent the last few months preparing for a tournament for 8h a day.
Jesus christ, these forums are starting to make me lose faith in mankind as a whole.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Thing is, we're not talking about "needs". You(and me) are adults who play a children's card game in our free time. If said children's card game happens to be in a pretty poor state for another 2 weeks, we can just live with the fact(or play something else). If you actually play the game for a living and have been putting in work to prepare for a competition for the last few months, that's just not the same fucking thing. Obviously the best move from a business standpoint would be to just release it and say "fuck you" to everyone playing at the event, you don't have to tell me that. But that doesn't mean it would be the ethical thing to do.
And yeah, I'm done debating this. You people clearly had a very different upbringing than myself and/or are a different age, so it's not like I can make you understand what it's like to have people spit in your daily job.
Everyone at the event would be at exactly equal footing so this argument has no merit. Also, give me a sec, I need to find the worlds smallest violin to play just for the professional videogame players.
Yes, people do play videogames for a living in this day and age. And yes, some people somehow feel that HS is a good game to be playing at a competitive level(which by the way, I do find silly, even if I don't judge people for it). That's just how it is, and if you can't handle it, I suggest you cultivate yourself, because e-sports have been around since the late 90's, and some people have made more money on it than you and me will for out entire lives. It is a legit job, and should be treated as one.
Also, I think you need to get informed about how competition in general works. Let's say someone has practiced cubelock for 8h a day, eversince the deck exists, and is currently at an advantage over people who didn't. Now you just nerf cubelock to the ground. won't that maybe, MAYBE, fuck up the people who did that? This is just a fairly obvious example, but there are obviously many more. Your argument about "equal footing" makes no sense, and if you talk to anyone who is actually connected to e-sports they'll tell you the exact same thing.
You can ban classes in tournaments, so the guy who spent all his time practicing cubelock would likely see warlock banned. Everyone who plays in the tournament would have the same nerfs so everyone would be on equal footing. It would be no different than a tournament at the beginning of a new expansion.
I don't know how much stock folks put into sites like hsreplay.net but over the last week the meta settled to only 2 T1 decks: even and murloc pally. Spiteful and Cubelock deck are running 51-54% win rate over the past week. I just don't get the popular hate around these decks. Ya they win, just a little bit more than they loose. How is the meta so upside down that we NEED a balance change. I can see a Call to Arms and MAYBE Dark Pact nerf being justified but really thats it... We don't need no big balance changes. Hey, Blizzard leave the meta alone.
Found the spiteful druid player. Aggro paladin has been a tier one deck for more than a year, cubelock since its inception, and spiteful summoner is an incredibly unfun card to play against: are the reasons for the nerfs.
Really!? Nerf good cards b/c they’re good? Aggro pally (which is different than murloc pally) has only been good since Call to Arms (a year ago- Un’Goro meta- the only good pally deck was elemental pally). Sounds like I found the Mage or Rogue or “my class didn’t get good cards” player.
Really!? Nerf good cards b/c they’re good? Aggro pally (which is different than murloc pally) has only been good since Call to Arms (a year ago- Un’Goro meta- the only good pally deck was elemental pally). Sounds like I found the Mage or Rogue or “my class didn’t get good cards” player.
Murloc pally was in ungoro. And it was just as cancerous then as it is now. It needs a change.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
If they don’t nerf Carniverous Cube I’m done. It’s such a horribly designed card.
Well, it took them 3 years to give us some more deckslots so I guess this is fast by Team 5's standards.
Meanwhile, other card games roll out balance changes constantly.
Have they ever nerfed more than 4 cards at once? I seem to recall the last two balance changes involved four cards.
My guess - Gul'Dan (1), Dark Pact (2), Quest Rogue (3) and Call to Arms (4).
Warlock nerfs are obvious.
Quest Rogue - not sure what to do about it - but something.
Call To Arms is more complicated. It can't be made to cost 3 or 5 mana. It would blow up Even Paladin and simultaneously potentially boost Odd Paladin. So the card has to do something (slightly) differently..
I don't know how much stock folks put into sites like hsreplay.net but over the last week the meta settled to only 2 T1 decks: even and murloc pally. Spiteful and Cubelock deck are running 51-54% win rate over the past week. I just don't get the popular hate around these decks. Ya they win, just a little bit more than they loose. How is the meta so upside down that we NEED a balance change. I can see a Call to Arms and MAYBE Dark Pact nerf being justified but really thats it... We don't need no big balance changes. Hey, Blizzard leave the meta alone.
Really!? Nerf good cards b/c they’re good? Aggro pally (which is different than murloc pally) has only been good since Call to Arms (a year ago- Un’Goro meta- the only good pally deck was elemental pally). Sounds like I found the Mage or Rogue or “my class didn’t get good cards” player.
Here is an article that gives a good sum up of the situation
http://gamers.online/news/sports/hearthstone-patch-may-2018/77/
chill man^^
Don't hate on people, I don't even what shilling is