It's because they aren't showcasing which decks will be the best for you if you're the avarage ladder guy that struggles to get to rank 10 and haven't learned all of the basics of card game yet - They're showing which decks that would be the best to play if you have mastered or near mastered them. Control Warlock is currently the best deck to climb with if you're in legend - high legend, but at the lower ranks it's winrate is way lower because most people make a lot of mistakes with the deck and don't understand it's wincoditions for all of the matchups.
The reason Paladin is really high winrate when you look at HSreplay is because it's fairly easy to play (to not say very easy) and therefore the people at lower ranks have a much easier time doing well with it. (also Odd Paladin is imferior to Even Paladin in almost every way so I don't really know why people would play it) :P
Why is really easy, you are mostly f2p, pulled Baku from pack and don't really have all that many rogue cards but kinda ok on Paladin cards and you just don't have enough dust for Genn... (Odd Warrior is also viable, but it is not especially good and is a Control deck which is hard to play correctly)
Though I personally just made myself a Murloc Paladin deck...
Murloc Paladin will do you way better than what Odd would doo - Murloc Paladins matchups are more polarized though so sometimes you just end up in matchups that are close to decided by the start of the game. :P
What is suspect about HSReplay’s statistical model?
Mostly 2 things:
1. The primary use of win rates of people with deck trackers installed (this introduces a positive bias as people who track their wins generally have a high win rate).
2. The clustering method used to group decks into archetypes discards roughly 20% of games and introduces biases to win-rates (random bias to different decks depending on the conditions where decks are not recognised).
Edit: I should also mention that HSReplays seems to be uplifting their methods and in the future these deficiencies might be resolved. And the site is still a value resource as long as you use the numbers with caution.
hsreplay is also not perfect as harder deck are played by people at lower ranks and thus winrate goes down, however, obviously it gives a general idea. It is weird actually to see that tempo storm snapshot is so out of touch with the meta.
HSReplay premium can show winrates on exact ranks bracket too.
Well yes. The only popular streamer that ran that deck a lot was Kripparian (on the third day of expansion up to like top 2000 legend) i personally gave my list to him. Also it was part of Rdu line up in the tournament, though his list was a bit unrefined. But so far it is a sleeper deck at highest tiers of play. Lets see how summer play offs would go. The deck can be pretty good in antiaggro line up if you ban warlock...
Yeah, does sounds like a sleeper deck. I wouldn't MOCK tempostorm for missing it, but it does demonstrate an disadvantage in their style: that they are human and can miss things. And that's fine. NONE of these systems work 100%, but they do well in what they are designed to do. So long as we keep in mind their limitations and scope then all of them are useful depending on what you are looking for.
Grats on designing the deck btw. Even if it remains a sleeper, it's still impressive to have those folks take note of it.
(sidenote, finally got around to opening my packs an I didn't have a clue what I'd do for a warrior build, so hope you don't mind if I go snatch that one. Lots of aggro over in my neck of the woods at the moment.
Well just looked at line ups on EU playoffs, there are actually 5 quest warriors so not exactly sleeper deck I suppose, some people think it is good enough for tournaments. Out of more or less known ones Shtanudachi brought one, though his list is a weird hybrid. And total of 23 warriors out of 73 line ups, so Class is not dead, definitely doing better than Hunter and Shaman.
Tempostorm recently put Miracle Rogue as Tier 2 and no Tempo Rogue in any of the tier lists LOL seemsaccurate Kappa
Well tempo rogue is outshined by odd rogue. So nobody brought a tempo rogue without Baku to EU playoffs. But they are missing regular quest warrior too and 5 people actually brought that to playoffs...
So I don’t know... their meta snapshot is way too subjective...
Tempostorm recently put Miracle Rogue as Tier 2 and no Tempo Rogue in any of the tier lists LOL seemsaccurate Kappa
Well tempo rogue is outshined by odd rogue. So nobody brought a tempo rogue without Baku to EU playoffs. But they are missing regular quest warrior too and 5 people actually brought that to playoffs...
So I don’t know... their meta snapshot is way too subjective...
I have more sucess with Tempo Rogue than Baku Rogue by alot.
Well yes everyone has success with different decks. You just have more experience with non Baku rogue, and Baku rogue is played very differently from that so there is some re-learning to be done, but it has more success overall. But yes not mentioning it at all is probably still kinda weird.
ok so I've learned one thing reading this thread.....numbers mean everything....
Tier lists and statistics are "irrelevant". Razakus Priest used to appear as 'tier 3' deck....
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Tempostorm recently put Miracle Rogue as Tier 2 and no Tempo Rogue in any of the tier lists LOL seemsaccurate Kappa
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Well yes everyone has success with different decks. You just have more experience with non Baku rogue, and Baku rogue is played very differently from that so there is some re-learning to be done, but it has more success overall. But yes not mentioning it at all is probably still kinda weird.
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I think Tempostorm just tries to reshape meta by promoting popularity of some decks but it will not happen because value is solid.