I'm always surprised to find out people actually put significant amounts of money into an f2p game like Hearthstone, to the point that I forget it can even be done.
1. The game is simple, not many things can work, so over time people will play what works. -you want gold? -want new cards -want new decks?
Well bro, you need to play top decks to actually achieve all that. HS is expensive and new user unfriendly, also best way to get anything is to copy/net deck the best possible deck and earn extra dust in ranked mode and pray to all mighty Ben that the next XPAC wont fu*k you all over.
2.Followed by my point 1. There are but few win conditions in every class that are good, and some classes have much better ones. Thus farming gold in casual is not a bad idea to that extent with "net decks". Which again ruins new player experience, but NOTE it's the games fault not "net deckers"
I'll net deck to get an idea of how the strongest decks on the ladder play. It helps to play them if I'm trying to figure out the best way to counter them. Also, if I've been working on a type of deck and get stuck and not sure what to change, I'll go to the internet to see if I can find a similar one that's been doing well.
I think you also need to note that there are a finite number of cards. Some are just going to be bad. They've said that. Some will be really good. This is true of all card games. But, since there are a finite number of cards, there are also a finite number of win conditions per class. The card pool being even more limited in standard, there are going to be fewer solid, consistent decks. Even if people weren't net decking, a good amount of them would eventually come to the same conclusions after enough testing.
Honestly, I wish "Casual" mode was more actually "Deck Testing" mode, since that's what I'd like to use it for, not the endless all-gold cubelock or dude paladin parade that it feels like.
What you play this game for? To win right. So why whining when other doing the same by play the best decks they have. If you say you play fun decks for fun, it is ok so why whining about other play serious deck? Deep down of you, you still want to win. You are even worse than them because you are greedy, both want to win and have fun deck at the same time.
You couldn't be more wrong. A lot (most?) people play to have fun, and it's not as fun to play against the same decks over and over and over again. It's not about wanting to have fun and win (being greedy), it's about wanting to have fun, but getting bored because of the overall lack of creativity on the part of a vast vast majority of Hearthstone players. It's hard to have fun when everyone copies everyone else and everyone try-hards in casual mode or in a game where winning has no tangible material benefit, and is, ultimately, meaningless other than making people feel like they're good at something, which is hilarious since they're just piloting a refined deck that someone else already templated for them. This is why Arena is where people go in Hearthstone to actually have fun.
I thinks what annoys me (well, strains my indifference at least) is the arrogance demonstrated throughout this thread by people trying to tell each other how to have fun. I'm going to zero in on one personal bugbear of mine which has been constant throughout the years which is the pedestal that people who build their own decks put themselves on and how they look down on those who for whatever reason decide to net deck.
I have played Hearthstone since GvG and have never constructed my own deck. Why, because I despise that part of the game (as I have for many years across many games), I play and pump far to much money into Hearthstone because I love the style of game, the mechanics, the pick up and put down nature of it and the collecting. Why would I waste my limited time on deck building when I can have someone else do it for me so I can focus on what I enjoy? For information I don't do this to climb efficiently, or maximise my wins, because I only really aim to be between 15-10 each month.
To the inevitable people who will comment on my lack of ability in deck building. I know exactly how to do it having grown up in Magic Alpha when you're only hope of deckbuilding was articles in fanzines, shitty web newsgroups and going through other peoples decks at tournaments. Back then I had the time, and although I hated deck building, it was a necessity to be able to actually play the game at any competitive level. It isn't any more.
I absolutely acknowledge the skill that goes into it, and if that's fun for you then brilliant please crack on. I look forward to playing with the interesting concepts you come up with. But don't be so arrogant as to try and tell people their having fun wrong if deck building isn't their thing.
Arguing on the internet is like playing chess with a pigeon. You may be good at chess, but the pigeon is just going to knock all the pieces down, take a shit on the table, and strut around like its victorious.
It's not just not liking losing, it's the fact that you get literally nothing for a loss, where as a win is worth 3.3gold. The game rewards playing degenerative aggro decks for fast games, on top of that these decks tend to be the most powerful in the game and blizzard likes it this way - they just printed baku FFS...
It punishes you for playing fun/meme decks, which tend not only to lose more but result in much much slower games.
This game isn't pay2win as much as it's pay to not have to play dull as fuck aggro shit all the time, just to make ends meat in in game gold.
I'm always surprised to find out people actually put significant amounts of money into an f2p game like Hearthstone, to the point that I forget it can even be done.
imagine complaining about people wanting to win
1. The game is simple, not many things can work, so over time people will play what works.
-you want gold?
-want new cards
-want new decks?
Well bro, you need to play top decks to actually achieve all that.
HS is expensive and new user unfriendly, also best way to get anything is to copy/net deck the best possible deck and earn extra dust in ranked mode and pray to all mighty Ben that the next XPAC wont fu*k you all over.
2.Followed by my point 1.
There are but few win conditions in every class that are good, and some classes have much better ones.
Thus farming gold in casual is not a bad idea to that extent with "net decks".
Which again ruins new player experience, but NOTE it's the games fault not "net deckers"
3.Not really
Except that the only reason to WANT all those cards is if you don't netdeck. If you play the same netdecks all the time you don't need more cards.
Some of us have to neckdeck, cause we’re dumb and can’t get past rank 18. EVEN after we started playing cube lock. :’ (
I'll net deck to get an idea of how the strongest decks on the ladder play. It helps to play them if I'm trying to figure out the best way to counter them. Also, if I've been working on a type of deck and get stuck and not sure what to change, I'll go to the internet to see if I can find a similar one that's been doing well.
I think you also need to note that there are a finite number of cards. Some are just going to be bad. They've said that. Some will be really good. This is true of all card games. But, since there are a finite number of cards, there are also a finite number of win conditions per class. The card pool being even more limited in standard, there are going to be fewer solid, consistent decks. Even if people weren't net decking, a good amount of them would eventually come to the same conclusions after enough testing.
Honestly, I wish "Casual" mode was more actually "Deck Testing" mode, since that's what I'd like to use it for, not the endless all-gold cubelock or dude paladin parade that it feels like.
1. wiining is fun
2. getting a new deck that doesn't work cost a lot of dust so if you craft a deck and dodn't like it after1 game you just wasted tonnes of dust.
So the problem with hearthstone is that many people are enjoying it not in your way ?
Hearthstone is a game of "copy and pasting"
I thinks what annoys me (well, strains my indifference at least) is the arrogance demonstrated throughout this thread by people trying to tell each other how to have fun. I'm going to zero in on one personal bugbear of mine which has been constant throughout the years which is the pedestal that people who build their own decks put themselves on and how they look down on those who for whatever reason decide to net deck.
I have played Hearthstone since GvG and have never constructed my own deck. Why, because I despise that part of the game (as I have for many years across many games), I play and pump far to much money into Hearthstone because I love the style of game, the mechanics, the pick up and put down nature of it and the collecting. Why would I waste my limited time on deck building when I can have someone else do it for me so I can focus on what I enjoy? For information I don't do this to climb efficiently, or maximise my wins, because I only really aim to be between 15-10 each month.
To the inevitable people who will comment on my lack of ability in deck building. I know exactly how to do it having grown up in Magic Alpha when you're only hope of deckbuilding was articles in fanzines, shitty web newsgroups and going through other peoples decks at tournaments. Back then I had the time, and although I hated deck building, it was a necessity to be able to actually play the game at any competitive level. It isn't any more.
I absolutely acknowledge the skill that goes into it, and if that's fun for you then brilliant please crack on. I look forward to playing with the interesting concepts you come up with. But don't be so arrogant as to try and tell people their having fun wrong if deck building isn't their thing.
Arguing on the internet is like playing chess with a pigeon. You may be good at chess, but the pigeon is just going to knock all the pieces down, take a shit on the table, and strut around like its victorious.