You may be surprised to discover this, but there were, are, and always will be folks like you ready to call every expansion terrible after the first week or less. Just one of those things we all have to put up with in life, like the knee-jerk nerfers or the ones who need to write a long paragraph to tell hundreds of people that they're quitting the game. You even threw in some insults to the game designers, in order to keep the cliché going.
It's time for the community to step up and start demanding more from our whiners and complainers.
You may be surprised to hear this, but there are were and always will be fanboys that can't even imagine that their "masters" are wrong. The expansion if goddamn awful, standard is dogshit and no one gives a flying fuck that 'maybe' the expansio will be good in 4-8-12 months, this is when it was released, now it counts the most, now it's when it should make a difference and it's dogshit, don't be a manslave mate.
I think there needs to be one thread, like the salt thread, for all of the worst meta posts.
Maybe they should create a sub-forum for all the possible salt threads with one specific thread for each and every reason to be salty: game, expansion, deck, card, player, loss, weather, bad mood, others...
I opened 273 packs. I've played one deck. I've seen four decks on the ladder.
Yep. Great expansion. =/
They were too cautious with what they gave us and it backfired. The cards from last year were way too powerful and we can only hope they end up doing better in 3 months since we know they aren't going to buff anything.
They should have come up with a brand new legendary. Maybe a legitimate legendary spell that isn't a quest that could be another build-around for each of the classes so people would at least attempt to create new decks. That's what helped make things interesting last year.
The chief moderator complains about the state of the game????
My personal very limited experience included 4 decks therefore I am unequivocally the #1 when it comes to deciding how good extra content for a children's card game is.
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Lets all uninstall Hearthstone and install shamanstone again?? You really wanna do that? That was the worst and the longest meta in last 5 years of HS...
The problem is not the Witchwood expansion. The problem are all previous expansions with op cards (such as call to arms, spiteful summoner, cobalt scalebane, possessed lackey etc.). The new expansion is very balanced, except for Shudderwock, too easy OTK for card with a 20 minutes battlecry.
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"The flow of time is always cruel... its speed seems different for each person, but no one can change it... A thing that does not change with time is a memory of younger days..."
Of course Shuddi otk is not good as deck, but it s the concept behind the card
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"The flow of time is always cruel... its speed seems different for each person, but no one can change it... A thing that does not change with time is a memory of younger days..."
All of the people who are constantly complaining that the Witchwood is a terrible expansion because of the weak powerlevel are forgetting one very important thing: The Witchwood is NOT the problem, it's the powerlevel of some of the previous expansions. Knights of the Frozen Throne had deathknights, which are definitely cool but are also way too impactful in some cases (Bloodreaver Gul'dan, Shadowreaper Anduin before the raza nerf). In addition to that it also gave us A LOT of very powerful cards. Good examples are Bonemare (now nerfed), Cobalt Scalebane, Keleseth, Argent Protector, Ultimate Infestation, Defile and much more. Then Kobolds and Catacombs was released and that expansion also brought us a very large amount of way too powerful cards. Good examples of this expansion are Spiteful summoner, carnivorous cube, Possessed Lackey, Voidlord, Skull of the Man'ari, Kingsbane, Aluneth, duskbreaker, Call to arms and ofcourse Corridor creeper (now nerfed). If Blizzard would keep releasing overpowered cards just because of the powerlevel of previous expansions, we would run into the problem that every expansion after that needs to have even stronger cards (powercreep) and that's not a healthy thing for the game. It's totally fine if you don't like the the expansion because of the cards themselves, but don't blame it on the powerlevel because it's fine.
I'd also like to mention that if you think the Witchwood expansion's meta became staler faster than any other expansion, you're just wrong. Remember Knights of the Frozen Throne? Yeah pretty much day 1 everyone discovered druid was way better than all the other classes and hearthstone became druid stone for like 4 weeks until some cards got nerfed. Meanwhile the witchwood meta is still changing one week after the its release.
I generally don't think condemning a whole xpac so soon after release is sensible but I have to admit the 'top dog' decks seem to have been found very quickly this time round (partly because by and large they're pretty similar to what we had last season).
Hopefully it turns around (either due to Blizzard intervention or players making something new) and we're not stuck with these decks for 4 months.
I don't agree. Of course there is a selection of successful decks but around rank 10 Im still seeing some fresh stuff as well. The meta isn't as settled as you think just because some decks stayed.
I think the expansion standalone is one of the best, they made so far but it has to carry the completly powercrept KOTFT set cycle which was to high in powerlvl.
If they print 2 more expansions of around this lvl and not include powercreep were in for the best meta we had so far. Only question is if blizz wants to wait for some cards to cycle out or if they decide to nerf some old cards to adjust in this year.
Atm. at least i like the meta more than year of the mamoth meta.
It's also worth mentioning that HSReplays is currently tracking 22% of all decks on ladder as "Other" - not yet belonging to any established archetype. The highest play-rate deck, by point of comparison, is Cubelock at 8% - quite possibly the lowest play-rate which the most-played deck has ever posted in any meta-game. A total of 24 decks have win-rates above 50%. Eleven of them didn't exist a week ago. Every class has a winning deck, and Shaman is the only class which doesn't have at least two.
Looking at the numbers, the current meta-game appears to be the most diverse which HSReplays has ever tracked - there have never been this many high win-rate decks, distributed this evenly among all nine classes, representing all four of the principle archetypes, Control, Aggro, Combo and MR. All of this while one-in-five decks is still a home-brew.
Folks that wish to maintain that the expansion has already failed, the meta-game has already settled, and similar claims, would be better off citing some sort of evidence, rather than aimlessly shitting nonsense about facing "only four decks since the expansion dropped" - perhaps one of the critics could post a link to their HSReplays page to substantiate their claims. It's also disappointing to see the number of mods which have begun shit-posting on their own site over the past few days. I'd recommend some sort of "peace, love and understanding" conference call on Skype if they need some sort of morale boost to make it through the trauma of these difficult times.
The HS community isn't exactly TheMagicDojo, is it?
edit - it's also worth recalling that many of the folks currently complaining about the state of the game just spent the past week pretending to cry "wolf!" about an unstoppable OTK Shaman deck that was ruining the ladder experience for everyone. It peaked at a play-rate of about 11%, and struggled to win 40% of its matches. Hundreds of posts here, and thousands on the subreddit, were dedicated to lying about the state of the game. There have not been hundreds of retractions and apologies for wasting everyone's time bitching and moaning about a problem that didn't exist . . . because it was intentional. Plenty of folks couldn't give two shits about the game, and find far more value simply belonging to an online mutual grieving society that can safely pretend to be the true vanguards of game balance.
Insteed of netdecking, start making your own decks and stop complaining.
I agree - people should start to create their own decks. But for Warlock, it's obvious every deck would run the Voidlord/Skull/Dark Pact/Lackey package because of how ridiculously strong it is. Same for Spiteful Summoner in Priest, or Call to Arms in Paladin!
Blizzard needs to print cards that are on par with every other classes powerlevel. Otherwise there will be autoincludes and it's what's making the meta boring as fuck.
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The 1st step towards a better game is firing Mike Donais! We had enough of his "skillful" balances!
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It is not great but far from terrible.
TGT we see secret paladin after secret paladin after secret paladin, the games are decided for who play MC first.
WotG + LoE + MSoG before nerfs we see shaman after shaman after shaman.
KFT before nerfs we see druid after druid after druid.
Any of this 3 is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar worse than we have now.
I'm having fun tbh so it's a matter of prospective i guess
My personal very limited experience included 4 decks therefore I am unequivocally the #1 when it comes to deciding how good extra content for a children's card game is.
Look, I want to tell you something because you're very dear to me. And I hope you understand that it comes from the bottom of my damaged, damaged heart. You are the finest piece of ass I've ever had and I don't care who knows it. I am so glad that I got to roam those hillsides.
Lets all uninstall Hearthstone and install shamanstone again?? You really wanna do that? That was the worst and the longest meta in last 5 years of HS...
The problem is not the Witchwood expansion. The problem are all previous expansions with op cards (such as call to arms, spiteful summoner, cobalt scalebane, possessed lackey etc.). The new expansion is very balanced, except for Shudderwock, too easy OTK for card with a 20 minutes battlecry.
"The flow of time is always cruel... its speed seems different for each person, but no one can change it... A thing that does not change with time is a memory of younger days..."
Of course Shuddi otk is not good as deck, but it s the concept behind the card
"The flow of time is always cruel... its speed seems different for each person, but no one can change it... A thing that does not change with time is a memory of younger days..."
All of the people who are constantly complaining that the Witchwood is a terrible expansion because of the weak powerlevel are forgetting one very important thing: The Witchwood is NOT the problem, it's the powerlevel of some of the previous expansions. Knights of the Frozen Throne had deathknights, which are definitely cool but are also way too impactful in some cases (Bloodreaver Gul'dan, Shadowreaper Anduin before the raza nerf). In addition to that it also gave us A LOT of very powerful cards. Good examples are Bonemare (now nerfed), Cobalt Scalebane, Keleseth, Argent Protector, Ultimate Infestation, Defile and much more. Then Kobolds and Catacombs was released and that expansion also brought us a very large amount of way too powerful cards. Good examples of this expansion are Spiteful summoner, carnivorous cube, Possessed Lackey, Voidlord, Skull of the Man'ari, Kingsbane, Aluneth, duskbreaker, Call to arms and ofcourse Corridor creeper (now nerfed). If Blizzard would keep releasing overpowered cards just because of the powerlevel of previous expansions, we would run into the problem that every expansion after that needs to have even stronger cards (powercreep) and that's not a healthy thing for the game. It's totally fine if you don't like the the expansion because of the cards themselves, but don't blame it on the powerlevel because it's fine.
I'd also like to mention that if you think the Witchwood expansion's meta became staler faster than any other expansion, you're just wrong. Remember Knights of the Frozen Throne? Yeah pretty much day 1 everyone discovered druid was way better than all the other classes and hearthstone became druid stone for like 4 weeks until some cards got nerfed. Meanwhile the witchwood meta is still changing one week after the its release.
I generally don't think condemning a whole xpac so soon after release is sensible but I have to admit the 'top dog' decks seem to have been found very quickly this time round (partly because by and large they're pretty similar to what we had last season).
Hopefully it turns around (either due to Blizzard intervention or players making something new) and we're not stuck with these decks for 4 months.
you kids always complaining. Thats why we got braindead ABC decks and no skill testing combo decks. what more do you want?
I don't agree. Of course there is a selection of successful decks but around rank 10 Im still seeing some fresh stuff as well. The meta isn't as settled as you think just because some decks stayed.
Also Odd and Even Pally are actually new decks.
I wouldn't say that I hate the expansion but at least for me it's the most boring one so far.
Meta became stale very fast because of the continuing of Cubelock and Dudeadin.
Problem with dustwood is it relies on future expansions to be good. Especially the odd/even concept.
As of now, no, its not a good expansion on its own or with the previous expansions.
New decks: all odd and even decks, all mage decks, taunt truid, combo shaman, tempo rogue
Old decks that survived rotation: cubelock, zoolock, spiteful priest
Come on guys
I think the expansion standalone is one of the best, they made so far but it has to carry the completly powercrept KOTFT set cycle which was to high in powerlvl.
If they print 2 more expansions of around this lvl and not include powercreep were in for the best meta we had so far. Only question is if blizz wants to wait for some cards to cycle out or if they decide to nerf some old cards to adjust in this year.
Atm. at least i like the meta more than year of the mamoth meta.
It's also worth mentioning that HSReplays is currently tracking 22% of all decks on ladder as "Other" - not yet belonging to any established archetype. The highest play-rate deck, by point of comparison, is Cubelock at 8% - quite possibly the lowest play-rate which the most-played deck has ever posted in any meta-game. A total of 24 decks have win-rates above 50%. Eleven of them didn't exist a week ago. Every class has a winning deck, and Shaman is the only class which doesn't have at least two.
Looking at the numbers, the current meta-game appears to be the most diverse which HSReplays has ever tracked - there have never been this many high win-rate decks, distributed this evenly among all nine classes, representing all four of the principle archetypes, Control, Aggro, Combo and MR. All of this while one-in-five decks is still a home-brew.
Folks that wish to maintain that the expansion has already failed, the meta-game has already settled, and similar claims, would be better off citing some sort of evidence, rather than aimlessly shitting nonsense about facing "only four decks since the expansion dropped" - perhaps one of the critics could post a link to their HSReplays page to substantiate their claims. It's also disappointing to see the number of mods which have begun shit-posting on their own site over the past few days. I'd recommend some sort of "peace, love and understanding" conference call on Skype if they need some sort of morale boost to make it through the trauma of these difficult times.
The HS community isn't exactly TheMagicDojo, is it?
edit - it's also worth recalling that many of the folks currently complaining about the state of the game just spent the past week pretending to cry "wolf!" about an unstoppable OTK Shaman deck that was ruining the ladder experience for everyone. It peaked at a play-rate of about 11%, and struggled to win 40% of its matches. Hundreds of posts here, and thousands on the subreddit, were dedicated to lying about the state of the game. There have not been hundreds of retractions and apologies for wasting everyone's time bitching and moaning about a problem that didn't exist . . . because it was intentional. Plenty of folks couldn't give two shits about the game, and find far more value simply belonging to an online mutual grieving society that can safely pretend to be the true vanguards of game balance.
The problem isn't the expansion itself, but the broken cards from the previous ones. Don't worry tho, they will be nerfed in a year or so, hehe