This card is actually ridiculous, maybe it's just me but i've seen no love for this card. It's an absolutely amazing card that will drastically limit design space, as now every class can go infinite or make a sick OTK (looking at you rogue, priest, paladin). It's a huge buff to control paladin because you can add more Zolas or brewmasters to your to deck with it, or a horseman, or tirion, etc. In priest it makes wild OTKs possible in probably a huge amount of ways, im personally looking at embrace darkness squashing OTK in wild. I love this card because it opens up entirely new lanes of decks that people might not discover for months, and yet I see very little appreciation for it. at 2 mana it's so aggressively costed that you can put it in any deck pretty much and get insane value with extreme flexibility depending on the matchup. I think this card will be gamebreakinig in some way; thoughts?
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U can add oracle cold light for mill, recruit using gather your party warrior , anything can be done now because it's like everyone have gang up or deadman hand, this have different function than Zola , with Zola u want to play the copy as fast as you can , with this u want to go a long game , or recruit giant minion like ysraj deathwing ysera lich King u name it , add more cold light to ur deck even if u are not rogue , maybe this is one of the reasons they move cold light to wild , so every class don't suddenly become mill deck
Sleepers are often viewed as the Bonemares and Corridor Creepers of the set. Something which is over looked but winds up affecting the entire meta. When neutral these cards find themselves in multiple classes or archetypes. Baleful Banker isn't that card. Will it be good? Yeah, it looks pretty good. Will it see play in everything from aggro paladin to warlock? No. It ain't a sleeper. It's just a good card in the right circumstances.
I agree, I think Baleful Banker is a sleeper card. It is not comparable to Zola the Gorgon because it is effectively adding a card back into your deck rather your hand.
This can defeat fatigue, and set up some good combos later in the game. I do not play Wild format, but I can see this card being used in many creative ways there.
It's overlooked atm, but blizzard printed him as an Epic for a reason. He will have his foot in some standard decks.
I see what you mean, yeah generally those cards are regarded as sleepers. I guess the word i was looking for was something along the lines of underrated.
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Exactly even if it's only obviously good in Control Paladin now, im positive people will find a use for it just like with Cube. And in wild it's gonna be really broken the more cards that are released.
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Yup, manic soulcaster was pretty often run in reno mage. Now you can run it any reno deck, and its cheaper allowing for easier combos. This card is so good.
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This card is similar to Zola. The difference is that Zola puts the card into your hand while Baleful Banker in the deck. I think Zola is much better though since you can get value right away. And Zola did see play but it didn't see play in every/almost deck.
The card is not a sleeper card. Yeah, it has a good effect but people are overhyping this card.
This card is actually ridiculous, maybe it's just me but i've seen no love for this card. It's an absolutely amazing card that will drastically limit design space, as now every class can go infinite or make a sick OTK (looking at you rogue, priest, paladin). It's a huge buff to control paladin because you can add more Zolas or brewmasters to your to deck with it, or a horseman, or tirion, etc. In priest it makes wild OTKs possible in probably a huge amount of ways, im personally looking at embrace darkness squashing OTK in wild. I love this card because it opens up entirely new lanes of decks that people might not discover for months, and yet I see very little appreciation for it. at 2 mana it's so aggressively costed that you can put it in any deck pretty much and get insane value with extreme flexibility depending on the matchup. I think this card will be gamebreakinig in some way; thoughts?
It's slow, hence NO. I don't remember Maniac Soulcaster breaking the game either.
This^
I do think OP chose an excellent card to take a liking to though; it has a lot of potential for fun and interesting gameplay, and is a very well-designed card.
I'm seeing a lot of pros giving Baleful Banker high ratings (except for Trump), but I'm just not seeing it.
Why not just play Zola?
Even then, Zola isn't even played.
It is cool that you can go infinite with two of these though.
Why not just play Zola? Because it's Legendary so more dust and you can only have 1 copy. Plus with Baleful Banker if the game is going into fatigue territory then you can save yourself some damage later on.
Not saying the banker is the best card of the set or even that good (I think it will only see play in a handful of decks that could really use him like cubelock -.-), but he does have advatages to him.
I'm seeing a lot of pros giving Baleful Banker high ratings (except for Trump), but I'm just not seeing it.
Why not just play Zola?
Even then, Zola isn't even played.
It is cool that you can go infinite with two of these though.
Why not just play Zola? Because it's Legendary so more dust and you can only have 1 copy. Plus with Baleful Banker if the game is going into fatigue territory then you can save yourself some damage later on.
Not saying the banker is the best card of the set or even that good (I think it will only see play in a handful of decks that could really use him like cubelock -.-), but he does have advatages to him.
I just wish it didn't feel so bad to play this card.
Sucks to play it on turn 2/3 and it also sucks to play on turn 12 because its stats suck and it's battlecry is uber-delayed.
Now don't get me wrong, I reallylike this card, but every time I go to slot it into a theorycraft, I think of something else I'd much rather have.
I agree, I think Baleful Banker is a sleeper card. It is not comparable to Zola the Gorgon because it is effectively adding a card back into your deck rather your hand.
This can defeat fatigue, and set up some good combos later in the game. I do not play Wild format, but I can see this card being used in many creative ways there.
It's overlooked atm, but blizzard printed him as an Epic for a reason. He will have his foot in some standard decks.
Adding he card to the hand is usually a better thing than adding it to the deck. Fatigue rarely comes into play.
It is cheaper than Zola the gorgon and less of a tempo loss (only 1 stat point below vanilla). But the effect is weaker, as you may never draw the card you added to your deck.
Sleepers are often viewed as the Bonemares and Corridor Creepers of the set. Something which is over looked but winds up affecting the entire meta. When neutral these cards find themselves in multiple classes or archetypes. Baleful Banker isn't that card. Will it be good? Yeah, it looks pretty good. Will it see play in everything from aggro paladin to warlock? No. It ain't a sleeper. It's just a good card in the right circumstances.
EVERYONE knew Bonemare would be a problem and a nightmare in arena. Creeper, however, is a good example here.
I cannot understand how people can value the „card in deck“ so high. Even Fal'dorei Strider is not a top card despite being in a class that can draw a lot and being played for free. Admitted, in an attrition war this card has some merit like the Mage card Manic Soulcaster . But otherwise it is a dead card until you have your value minion played (which should cost less than 8 mana) and then you still have to draw it.
I can imagine it in decks like dead man‘s hand warrior or other attrition/fatigue decks as well as some recruit decks so that you immediately get the minion for free, but beside that i think it is a 2/2do nothing on board or to your hand for 2mana and will not be played.
I have extensive experience playing with cards like Forgotten Torch and Manic Soulcaster in a multitude of different mage decks. I'll just start off by saying that there is a huge difference between control and grinder decks, and also that this is not something that you want to be putting into combo decks.
A well built and polished combo deck tends to be extremely concise and straight to the point, and more often than not having a 30 card deck is a disservice to your win condition since you only need a very strict and select variety of cards from your deck in order to win.
For cards like Baleful Banker that are extremely low tempo, no matter how cheap this card may be, do offer a considerable amount of value to your deck; but playing even a single copy of this card is sort of like playing with a 32 card deck or taking 2 draws away from you. First you expend a draw to get this card into your hand, and then its battlecry puts in a card that dilutes the remaining card pool in your deck. Adding a third Sorcerer's Apprentice into your deck when you have yet to even draw Antonidas is going to hurt your win condition a lot for example in quest mage. Despite the criticism that a lot of combo decks get, they actually require you to play your hand relatively fast amidst cycling throughout your deck and stalling the game. Baleful banker does neither of these things.
Shadow Visions is a perfect example as a counter to what Baleful Banker does. Cards like Psychic Scream are extremely powerful almost non-conditional board clears, so it makes sense that you want to extend the power level of your deck beyond standard deck building conventions. By this I mean that you would actually want 3 or 4 copies of this card instead of just 2 in a lot of cases, and Shadow Visions lets you do that. In a scenario like this, its almost as if you have 2 copies of Psychic Scream in your deck, and 2 additional copies that cost 9 instead of 7, which is still ok. A better example of this is that cards like Simulacrum and Molten Reflection can serve as a trade off for extra Sorcerer's Apprentices without requiring additional card draw or having to dilute your deck, or resurrecting Obsidian Statues with Eternal Servitude.
The same principles apply to playing a control deck. Though control decks tend to be less concise and are more lenient in what you are able to use in order to respond to the opponent's board, drawing consistency is still a major key to success. Unless you're hitting a true control minion like King Mosh in the ultra late game every single time with Baleful Banker, I expect this card to also be detrimental to control decks.
Grinder decks on the other hand are an entirely different story. While control decks are proactive in trying to answer everything in response to whatever your opponent throws at you, grinder decks are all about setting up high board presence minions that are meant to bait out or waste valuable resources from your opponent. Grinder decks are extremely slow and typically require little to no draw since in several cases since perhaps a single one of your cards may be able to take care of 2 of your opponent's cards all on its own, allowing you to stall out the game until your opponent inevitably runs out of cards in their hand and deck.
Sludge Belcher and Sylvanas are sort of the epitomes of what a grinder card is. For Sludge Belcher, it is a taunt minion with a decent body that spawns another taunt minion, which typically requires 2-3 sources of damage from your opponent in order to deal with this one card. For Sylvanas, your opponent expends a card to deal with her, loses a minion on their side of their board from her deathrattle, and needs to expend another card to deal with the stolen minion. With cards like Simulacrum, Molten Reflection, Echo of Medivh, Duplicate, Stitched Tracker, and even Faceless Manipulator, it is not uncommon to win games solely by simply dropping a Sludge Belcher or Sylvanas every single turn until your opponent is overwhelmed by this unanswerable board.
In a grinder deck, it actually makes sense to build your deck around having 5-10 copies of a single powerful minion. Take for example in Dead Man's Hand Warrior where N'zoth is potentially able to bring back 6 Direhorn Hatchlings if you are able to set things up properly. This is an area where I can see Baleful Banker truly shine and quite possibly break the game if it finds its way into a deck like cubelock. Otherwise, this card will see absolutely no play elsewhere so I would definitely not call Baleful Banker a sleeper card.
This card is actually ridiculous, maybe it's just me but i've seen no love for this card. It's an absolutely amazing card that will drastically limit design space, as now every class can go infinite or make a sick OTK (looking at you rogue, priest, paladin). It's a huge buff to control paladin because you can add more Zolas or brewmasters to your to deck with it, or a horseman, or tirion, etc. In priest it makes wild OTKs possible in probably a huge amount of ways, im personally looking at embrace darkness squashing OTK in wild. I love this card because it opens up entirely new lanes of decks that people might not discover for months, and yet I see very little appreciation for it. at 2 mana it's so aggressively costed that you can put it in any deck pretty much and get insane value with extreme flexibility depending on the matchup. I think this card will be gamebreakinig in some way; thoughts?
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Imo it's only good with Shudderwock, but insanely good with Shudderwock
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U can add oracle cold light for mill, recruit using gather your party warrior , anything can be done now because it's like everyone have gang up or deadman hand, this have different function than Zola , with Zola u want to play the copy as fast as you can , with this u want to go a long game , or recruit giant minion like ysraj deathwing ysera lich King u name it , add more cold light to ur deck even if u are not rogue , maybe this is one of the reasons they move cold light to wild , so every class don't suddenly become mill deck
Wow
I'm seeing a lot of pros giving Baleful Banker high ratings (except for Trump), but I'm just not seeing it.
Why not just play Zola?
Even then, Zola isn't even played.
It is cool that you can go infinite with two of these though.
We already had a card which did the same, but put the card directly to your hand, only for 1 more mana
Also nice for all Razakus or Reno decks in wild. Adds more flexibility and lets you copy crucial minions...
Sleepers are often viewed as the Bonemares and Corridor Creepers of the set. Something which is over looked but winds up affecting the entire meta. When neutral these cards find themselves in multiple classes or archetypes. Baleful Banker isn't that card. Will it be good? Yeah, it looks pretty good. Will it see play in everything from aggro paladin to warlock? No. It ain't a sleeper. It's just a good card in the right circumstances.
I agree, I think Baleful Banker is a sleeper card. It is not comparable to Zola the Gorgon because it is effectively adding a card back into your deck rather your hand.
This can defeat fatigue, and set up some good combos later in the game. I do not play Wild format, but I can see this card being used in many creative ways there.
It's overlooked atm, but blizzard printed him as an Epic for a reason. He will have his foot in some standard decks.
"Do you smell something...burning?
I see what you mean, yeah generally those cards are regarded as sleepers. I guess the word i was looking for was something along the lines of underrated.
My soul is painted like the wings on butterflies, the fairytales of yesterday will grow but never die. I can fly, my friends.
Exactly even if it's only obviously good in Control Paladin now, im positive people will find a use for it just like with Cube. And in wild it's gonna be really broken the more cards that are released.
My soul is painted like the wings on butterflies, the fairytales of yesterday will grow but never die. I can fly, my friends.
Yup, manic soulcaster was pretty often run in reno mage. Now you can run it any reno deck, and its cheaper allowing for easier combos. This card is so good.
My soul is painted like the wings on butterflies, the fairytales of yesterday will grow but never die. I can fly, my friends.
This card is similar to Zola. The difference is that Zola puts the card into your hand while Baleful Banker in the deck. I think Zola is much better though since you can get value right away. And Zola did see play but it didn't see play in every/almost deck.
The card is not a sleeper card. Yeah, it has a good effect but people are overhyping this card.
I think it is the best card of the set. Or at the very least the top enabler.
I cannot understand how people can value the „card in deck“ so high. Even Fal'dorei Strider is not a top card despite being in a class that can draw a lot and being played for free. Admitted, in an attrition war this card has some merit like the Mage card Manic Soulcaster . But otherwise it is a dead card until you have your value minion played (which should cost less than 8 mana) and then you still have to draw it.
I can imagine it in decks like dead man‘s hand warrior or other attrition/fatigue decks as well as some recruit decks so that you immediately get the minion for free, but beside that i think it is a 2/2do nothing on board or to your hand for 2mana and will not be played.
I have extensive experience playing with cards like Forgotten Torch and Manic Soulcaster in a multitude of different mage decks. I'll just start off by saying that there is a huge difference between control and grinder decks, and also that this is not something that you want to be putting into combo decks.
A well built and polished combo deck tends to be extremely concise and straight to the point, and more often than not having a 30 card deck is a disservice to your win condition since you only need a very strict and select variety of cards from your deck in order to win.
For cards like Baleful Banker that are extremely low tempo, no matter how cheap this card may be, do offer a considerable amount of value to your deck; but playing even a single copy of this card is sort of like playing with a 32 card deck or taking 2 draws away from you. First you expend a draw to get this card into your hand, and then its battlecry puts in a card that dilutes the remaining card pool in your deck. Adding a third Sorcerer's Apprentice into your deck when you have yet to even draw Antonidas is going to hurt your win condition a lot for example in quest mage. Despite the criticism that a lot of combo decks get, they actually require you to play your hand relatively fast amidst cycling throughout your deck and stalling the game. Baleful banker does neither of these things.
Shadow Visions is a perfect example as a counter to what Baleful Banker does. Cards like Psychic Scream are extremely powerful almost non-conditional board clears, so it makes sense that you want to extend the power level of your deck beyond standard deck building conventions. By this I mean that you would actually want 3 or 4 copies of this card instead of just 2 in a lot of cases, and Shadow Visions lets you do that. In a scenario like this, its almost as if you have 2 copies of Psychic Scream in your deck, and 2 additional copies that cost 9 instead of 7, which is still ok. A better example of this is that cards like Simulacrum and Molten Reflection can serve as a trade off for extra Sorcerer's Apprentices without requiring additional card draw or having to dilute your deck, or resurrecting Obsidian Statues with Eternal Servitude.
The same principles apply to playing a control deck. Though control decks tend to be less concise and are more lenient in what you are able to use in order to respond to the opponent's board, drawing consistency is still a major key to success. Unless you're hitting a true control minion like King Mosh in the ultra late game every single time with Baleful Banker, I expect this card to also be detrimental to control decks.
Grinder decks on the other hand are an entirely different story. While control decks are proactive in trying to answer everything in response to whatever your opponent throws at you, grinder decks are all about setting up high board presence minions that are meant to bait out or waste valuable resources from your opponent. Grinder decks are extremely slow and typically require little to no draw since in several cases since perhaps a single one of your cards may be able to take care of 2 of your opponent's cards all on its own, allowing you to stall out the game until your opponent inevitably runs out of cards in their hand and deck.
Sludge Belcher and Sylvanas are sort of the epitomes of what a grinder card is. For Sludge Belcher, it is a taunt minion with a decent body that spawns another taunt minion, which typically requires 2-3 sources of damage from your opponent in order to deal with this one card. For Sylvanas, your opponent expends a card to deal with her, loses a minion on their side of their board from her deathrattle, and needs to expend another card to deal with the stolen minion. With cards like Simulacrum, Molten Reflection, Echo of Medivh, Duplicate, Stitched Tracker, and even Faceless Manipulator, it is not uncommon to win games solely by simply dropping a Sludge Belcher or Sylvanas every single turn until your opponent is overwhelmed by this unanswerable board.
In a grinder deck, it actually makes sense to build your deck around having 5-10 copies of a single powerful minion. Take for example in Dead Man's Hand Warrior where N'zoth is potentially able to bring back 6 Direhorn Hatchlings if you are able to set things up properly. This is an area where I can see Baleful Banker truly shine and quite possibly break the game if it finds its way into a deck like cubelock. Otherwise, this card will see absolutely no play elsewhere so I would definitely not call Baleful Banker a sleeper card.
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