So many new decks that can utilize Mountain Giants extremely effectively:
Handruid, Minion Mage, Even Handlock, etc.
I don't think Hand Druid is good enough. It appears to lack a cohesive game plan. I don't think minion mage will play it. It's more of a curve deck. Handlock probably won't see play over Cube. But they both play giant so it's a wash.
I think 2 mountain giants still lose to 6 voidlords
Everyone posts this on every theorycrafting thread ever.
If you have no valuable insight, then head on over to the salt thread.
How is this not valuable insight? If the deck doesn’t match up to cubelock, it’s not a tier 1 deck, therefore, it is not meta defining.
Its not salt, it’s just a fact. I don’t even hate cubelock, it’s just simply the strongest deck. And if you won’t compare your theorycrafted decks to it just because everyone plays it and talks about it, you are being naive.
1: Cubelock isn’t the strongest deck
2: 3 sets are rotating out; things are gonna change
3: The Witchwood has some crazy powerful cards that in all likelihood will spawn T1 decks
What the hell?
1. Everyones opinion is different, but I think cubelock/controllock is at least the most popular and probably the best deck on ladder now, so meta defines around it.
2. But cubes lose like two cards - Mistress of Mixtures and N'Zoth. First is not that important and while N'Zoth is a big loss, it is not nearly as big as losses of other decks, so it is clear that cubelock and controllock will stay and will be still top tier decks most likely.
3. What are those powerful cards? This set has some interesting cards, but overall it is extremely low power level and I currently don't see any sure tier 1 decks (maybe only minion elemental mage could make it). Things will change a lot, but this, combined with small losses of cubelock, unless we see some powerful cards today, makes sure that every new deck will have to compete with cubelock.
Well, Crowskin can actually work well in Handlock, although I'm not sure it's gonna get that far without some way to make cheaper giants...
I mean, Sea Giant would have it hard to work and Mountain Giant is not great with Glinda, but I could be mistaken -if so, I could definitively joining the giant frenzy, I miss them so much-
I think mountain giant should get HOF'ed. The thing is, if they want those Rush minion board trading decks, There should not be to much curve cheating. But they will propably nerf warlock soon so i wouldnt wonder if Mountaingiant gets in the same bus molten is sitting in.
I actually think that Handruid w/ giants will be a thing. Maybe you don't even need more minions, only tokens / buffs / removal / armor / plenty of drawing to make it work. What do you think about this?
I think 2 mountain giants still lose to 6 voidlords
Everyone posts this on every theorycrafting thread ever.
If you have no valuable insight, then head on over to the salt thread.
How is this not valuable insight? If the deck doesn’t match up to cubelock, it’s not a tier 1 deck, therefore, it is not meta defining.
Its not salt, it’s just a fact. I don’t even hate cubelock, it’s just simply the strongest deck. And if you won’t compare your theorycrafted decks to it just because everyone plays it and talks about it, you are being naive.
1: Cubelock isn’t the strongest deck
2: 3 sets are rotating out; things are gonna change
3: The Witchwood has some crazy powerful cards that in all likelihood will spawn T1 decks
What the hell?
1. Everyones opinion is different, but I think cubelock/controllock is at least the most popular and probably the best deck on ladder now, so meta defines around it.
2. But cubes lose like two cards - Mistress of Mixtures and N'Zoth. First is not that important and while N'Zoth is a big loss, it is not nearly as big as losses of other decks, so it is clear that cubelock and controllock will stay and will be still top tier decks most likely.
3. What are those powerful cards? This set has some interesting cards, but overall it is extremely low power level and I currently don't see any sure tier 1 decks (maybe only minion elemental mage could make it). Things will change a lot, but this, combined with small losses of cubelock, unless we see some powerful cards today, makes sure that every new deck will have to compete with cubelock.
Statistics show that Cubelock doesn’t have the best win rate.
There are so many high power-level cards, you just prefer to overlook them in favor of hatin’ on the Witchwood and Blizzard in general.
I hope it is not a Mountain Giant meta. If I see more than 5 mountain giants in the first few days then I will start running 2 BGHs in every one of my decks. I don't want to lose to this bullshit on turn 4-5 consistently.
I really despise mountain giant. I wish they made that card go to hall of fame instead of molten. EVERYONE loses their minds over "4 mana 7 7" which isn't even that great with 2 overload. Handlock has had a 4 mana 8 8 WITHOUT overload that they put 2 of in and consistently draw it every freaking game, and I NEVER see people complain about it. So much fun zzzzz
I think 2 mountain giants still lose to 6 voidlords
Everyone posts this on every theorycrafting thread ever.
If you have no valuable insight, then head on over to the salt thread.
How is this not valuable insight? If the deck doesn’t match up to cubelock, it’s not a tier 1 deck, therefore, it is not meta defining.
Its not salt, it’s just a fact. I don’t even hate cubelock, it’s just simply the strongest deck. And if you won’t compare your theorycrafted decks to it just because everyone plays it and talks about it, you are being naive.
1: Cubelock isn’t the strongest deck
2: 3 sets are rotating out; things are gonna change
3: The Witchwood has some crazy powerful cards that in all likelihood will spawn T1 decks
What the hell?
1. Everyones opinion is different, but I think cubelock/controllock is at least the most popular and probably the best deck on ladder now, so meta defines around it.
2. But cubes lose like two cards - Mistress of Mixtures and N'Zoth. First is not that important and while N'Zoth is a big loss, it is not nearly as big as losses of other decks, so it is clear that cubelock and controllock will stay and will be still top tier decks most likely.
3. What are those powerful cards? This set has some interesting cards, but overall it is extremely low power level and I currently don't see any sure tier 1 decks (maybe only minion elemental mage could make it). Things will change a lot, but this, combined with small losses of cubelock, unless we see some powerful cards today, makes sure that every new deck will have to compete with cubelock.
Statistics show that Cubelock doesn’t have the best win rate.
There are so many high power-level cards, you just prefer to overlook them in favor of hatin’ on the Witchwood and Blizzard in general.
:P
What are you talking about? Go to metadeck right now, cubelock has an ungodly %65 win rate. Number 2 is spiteful priest at %57, that’s a huge difference.
Name one high power card from this expansion that will help beat Cubelock.
I said it before I’ll say it again, I don’t hate cubelock, and I love the fact that this is a low power level expansion, but until they nerf cubelock (which they said they will do already when it continues to be #1), there’s no tier 1 meta change. Tier 2 and 3 decks will come out for sure, but you can’t call a deck tier 1 unless it can contest the other tier 1 deck(s)
I think 2 mountain giants still lose to 6 voidlords
Everyone posts this on every theorycrafting thread ever.
If you have no valuable insight, then head on over to the salt thread.
How is this not valuable insight? If the deck doesn’t match up to cubelock, it’s not a tier 1 deck, therefore, it is not meta defining.
Its not salt, it’s just a fact. I don’t even hate cubelock, it’s just simply the strongest deck. And if you won’t compare your theorycrafted decks to it just because everyone plays it and talks about it, you are being naive.
1: Cubelock isn’t the strongest deck
2: 3 sets are rotating out; things are gonna change
3: The Witchwood has some crazy powerful cards that in all likelihood will spawn T1 decks
What the hell?
1. Everyones opinion is different, but I think cubelock/controllock is at least the most popular and probably the best deck on ladder now, so meta defines around it.
2. But cubes lose like two cards - Mistress of Mixtures and N'Zoth. First is not that important and while N'Zoth is a big loss, it is not nearly as big as losses of other decks, so it is clear that cubelock and controllock will stay and will be still top tier decks most likely.
3. What are those powerful cards? This set has some interesting cards, but overall it is extremely low power level and I currently don't see any sure tier 1 decks (maybe only minion elemental mage could make it). Things will change a lot, but this, combined with small losses of cubelock, unless we see some powerful cards today, makes sure that every new deck will have to compete with cubelock.
Statistics show that Cubelock doesn’t have the best win rate.
There are so many high power-level cards, you just prefer to overlook them in favor of hatin’ on the Witchwood and Blizzard in general.
:P
What are you talking about? Go to metadeck right now, cubelock has an ungodly %65 win rate. Number 2 is spiteful priest at %57, that’s a huge difference.
Name one high power card from this expansion that will help beat Cubelock.
I said it before I’ll say it again, I don’t hate cubelock, and I love the fact that this is a low power level expansion, but until they nerf cubelock (which they said they will do already when it continues to be #1), there’s no tier 1 meta change. Tier 2 and 3 decks will come out for sure, but you can’t call a deck tier 1 unless it can contest the other tier 1 deck(s)
Not to mention the fact that Spiteful at number 2 is a deck that preys on cubelock specifically. Secret mage is another big one which lives off the same principle. The win rates aren't everything, the fact that other high win rate decks are strong against cubelock suggest that Cubelock is still the pivotal point of the meta.
I think 2 mountain giants still lose to 6 voidlords
Everyone posts this on every theorycrafting thread ever.
If you have no valuable insight, then head on over to the salt thread.
How is this not valuable insight? If the deck doesn’t match up to cubelock, it’s not a tier 1 deck, therefore, it is not meta defining.
Its not salt, it’s just a fact. I don’t even hate cubelock, it’s just simply the strongest deck. And if you won’t compare your theorycrafted decks to it just because everyone plays it and talks about it, you are being naive.
1: Cubelock isn’t the strongest deck
2: 3 sets are rotating out; things are gonna change
3: The Witchwood has some crazy powerful cards that in all likelihood will spawn T1 decks
What the hell?
1. Everyones opinion is different, but I think cubelock/controllock is at least the most popular and probably the best deck on ladder now, so meta defines around it.
2. But cubes lose like two cards - Mistress of Mixtures and N'Zoth. First is not that important and while N'Zoth is a big loss, it is not nearly as big as losses of other decks, so it is clear that cubelock and controllock will stay and will be still top tier decks most likely.
3. What are those powerful cards? This set has some interesting cards, but overall it is extremely low power level and I currently don't see any sure tier 1 decks (maybe only minion elemental mage could make it). Things will change a lot, but this, combined with small losses of cubelock, unless we see some powerful cards today, makes sure that every new deck will have to compete with cubelock.
Statistics show that Cubelock doesn’t have the best win rate.
There are so many high power-level cards, you just prefer to overlook them in favor of hatin’ on the Witchwood and Blizzard in general.
:P
Control lock beats Cubelock and while it may be losing N'Zoth, which is significant, it loses nothing else.
There are some high power level cards, I wouldn't exactly say there are many of them. People keep coming up with these crazy combos, some of which will work, but others that are very slow fringe type of perfect situation combos.
So far I am unimpressed with what odd/even cards were offered to classes that would be purposefully excluding key cards in their normal decks (e.g. odd mages casually tossing away pretty much all of their burn for nothing in return).
Rogue cards are almost all garbage, with one or two exceptions, and stand no chance at aggro survivability since their cards are too slow. Face Collector is meme card and even in the best scenarios it still won't compete against an attrition battle against Gul'Dan in the late game.
Minion mage could have promise, but I'm doubtful because it is only in wild right now that you can realistically build an aggressive minion mage deck currently. That leaves either a midrange minion mage deck or a control one. A control oriented minion mage deck still loses to Control Lock due to Gul'Dan removal each turn and the plethora of aoe that Gul'Dan has (which they got another in the form of Godfrey.
Shaman could be really good in wild due to the repeatable battlecries that take more than full advantage of previous jade battlecries. In standard I don't know a whole lot of battlecries that would be that useful to repeat. Hagatha could be strong, but still am not going to pass judgement that an rng-based shaman deck will be competitive yet. Rng is inconsistent so unless you're going to have the rng cards be as strong as pre-nerfed Yogg I just don't see it happening.
Control lock beats Cubelock and while it may be losing N'Zoth, which is significant, it loses nothing else.
Control Warlock is heavily unfavored against Cube Warlock. It's about an 18% win rate according to HSReplay.
HSReplay shows 38.4%, but I dont beleave at this numbers. It is based only on 388 matches on legend. And I dont think that all this matches were related to control lock deck which is using ooze.
And that was stated not once, that cubelock is favored match for Rinlock, both on streams and by experience of legend players..
No, it is somewhere at 55/45 in favor of Control lock.
I just checked before posting that - but maybe I completely misread the stats.
EDIT: I did. I was looking at a specific deck. That said, it's 35% in 19,000 total games. Sure, maybe at high legend this changes slightly. But for the overwhelming majority of most players, Cubelock is the better deck.
Warlock is the only class that can use Mountain Giant effectively, since it's a consistent T4 8/8.
Handdruid can play it T3 which is much-much stronger
But not consistently. Warlock can play it every time on T4; (if it's even a thing), Hand Druid can only play it on T4 if it's drawn the new card on T2.
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Handlock was a thing in Un’Goro for a little while.
Also, it’s getting a massive boost in Genn Greymane and Glinda Crowskin.
I don't think minion mage will play it. It's more of a curve deck.
Handlock probably won't see play over Cube. But they both play giant so it's a wash.
Well, Crowskin can actually work well in Handlock, although I'm not sure it's gonna get that far without some way to make cheaper giants...
I mean, Sea Giant would have it hard to work and Mountain Giant is not great with Glinda, but I could be mistaken -if so, I could definitively joining the giant frenzy, I miss them so much-
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I think mountain giant should get HOF'ed. The thing is, if they want those Rush minion board trading decks, There should not be to much curve cheating. But they will propably nerf warlock soon so i wouldnt wonder if Mountaingiant gets in the same bus molten is sitting in.
I actually think that Handruid w/ giants will be a thing. Maybe you don't even need more minions, only tokens / buffs / removal / armor / plenty of drawing to make it work. What do you think about this?
I hope it is not a Mountain Giant meta. If I see more than 5 mountain giants in the first few days then I will start running 2 BGHs in every one of my decks. I don't want to lose to this bullshit on turn 4-5 consistently.
I really despise mountain giant. I wish they made that card go to hall of fame instead of molten. EVERYONE loses their minds over "4 mana 7 7" which isn't even that great with 2 overload. Handlock has had a 4 mana 8 8 WITHOUT overload that they put 2 of in and consistently draw it every freaking game, and I NEVER see people complain about it. So much fun zzzzz
HSReplay shows 38.4%, but I dont beleave at this numbers. It is based only on 388 matches on legend. And I dont think that all this matches were related to control lock deck which is using ooze.
And that was stated not once, that cubelock is favored match for Rinlock, both on streams and by experience of legend players..
Sure, maybe at high legend this changes slightly. But for the overwhelming majority of most players, Cubelock is the better deck.
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