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I just played casual for 30 minutes.

I played two games.

This is why we need to limit netdecking.

 How would you Limit Netdecking then? Do you have any ideas? 

  Seriously, tell me. Because it happens in every single online CCG. I'm sure if you have a good idea it wouldn't just be Blizzard who'd be thanking you.

 Right? 

 Or you could just take Casual as what it is. A mode where it doesn't matter if you win or lose because there is literally nothing at stake. 

 And knowing what your opponent has in his or her deck after a Turn or two could be considered an advantage..🤔

 

 class bans

card bans

Like I said already ITT.

edit: The point isn't "there's something on the line or not on the line," the point is "I don't want to queue into netdecks in casual."

I'm at 30 health opponent at 6 with a single murloc on board.

I lost because he put out over 25/25 in stats and cleared my board, because Murloc Shaman.

Go ahead and tell me this is fine.

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You all play a free to enter, mobile optional, collectible card game, and you think that just because there is a ranked selection and a casual selection someone or something explicitly laid out the experience you will have/should expect in each mode? This is just pure ignorance if you are someone who curses, harasses, or puts down net-decking in casual. It is casual mode because it does not effect your current ranking...The fact it is called "Casual Mode" in no way insinuates that the experience you have is in fact the definition of "casual". It is gaming jargon for "You have nothing to gain or lose by coming here." WhY uSe CaSuAl As ThE nAmE tHeN?! Because its a 6 letter word that easily explains to virtually any age range that this zone is not tracked for any competitive purposes. Can you be competitive in this mode? YES. Does it matter if you are being competitive? NO. Do you have something to lose in ranked? YES. If you don't want to lose rank where do you go? CASUAL...WITH ANY DECK YOU PLEASE AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY BECAUSE THAT MODE IS DESIGNED TO NOT MATTER FOR TOURNAMENT, PROFESSIONAL, OR POINT/REWARD EARNING PURPOSES.

 If I'm getting your general idea why would you be against someone harassing trolling or flaming someone for netdecking or playing a t1 deck in casual? There are no rules against it and some people have fun making other people feel bad. 

 My argument is any deck can and should be played in casual. Even if it is the number one deck.

 I get your point but I think that only applies when there is diversity. Casual is like 90% t1 net decks for me and I'm sure the frustration for others stems from that as well. It is silly to dismiss someone's experience because you don't have the same. I also see those same t1 decks BMing at a much higher rate. I think if someone wants to tell someone off for that it's fine in my book and it should be fine in yours too.

 Woah woah woah are you assuming I don't deal with the same problems every other player has? I have played this game for 3 years pretty consistently and in no way am I saying I don't still see the same trends you do. In casual every day I get "Greetings" right before the turn I get executed. In casual every day I fight 5-10 bomb warriors while I'm trying to see if a heal/token druid hybrid would be good/fun. In casual every day I get Emote spammed when I'm playing something fun and my opponent is playing the top win-rate deck, crushing me mercilessly when I have to summon 20 minions of cost 0-2. Don't EVER assume I don't experience the things you are discouraged exist. I have lived in them for years, and yet I still defend their right to do it... For everyone absolutely destroying casual because they are mad/trolling/win-farming there is someone trying a deck for the first time trying to push past rank 11 and is afraid to hit the ladder for that great feeling of watching 10 pop up and they have EVERY RIGHT to play in casual first. I have hit legend and play to rank 5 basically every month. At this point I don't play in casual nearly as often. However, damn right I've been playing casual this past week because the meta is unrefined and I'd like to meme a little with fun decks before jumping back in and try-harding with the others. It is a card game, and it is online with virtually no communication. The only time you know for a fact a player is being rude is if they spam emotes left and right AND they are absolutely digging into you/roping you. Otherwise, you could very well be here complaining about someone building their confidence up with a deck to hit a record rank that makes them feel good. I stand by my previous comment.

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I'm at 30 health opponent at 6 with a single murloc on board.

I lost because he put out over 25/25 in stats and cleared my board, because Murloc Shaman.

Go ahead and tell me this is fine.

 I started running crystal power as a way to remove a murloc early that might help snowball the board for them. it's not perfect, but it's better than cable rat IMO. 

you get faceless with rat and then summons a doomsayer into your lovely, wide bpard. no thanks man. ha ha. at least if you are rogue you can shadowstep the doomsayer and use it again later. as druid you're F'd. 

I'd recommend anyone playing true token to run this card over rat. 

I know you have your own version of druid right now though which is more of a mid range treant deck, right? I am still working on my mid range treant deck as I don't have force of nature yet. looks amazing though. 

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I'm at 30 health opponent at 6 with a single murloc on board.

I lost because he put out over 25/25 in stats and cleared my board, because Murloc Shaman.

Go ahead and tell me this is fine.

 This seems like a bit of a non-sequitur. That type of thing would still happen in a world without netdecking. Aggro would still exist as a strategy, and you would still sometimes lose from a position of seeming advantage due to it.

But again, this is kinda what I've been seeing all throughout out this topic. People think they hate netdecking, but they actually hate something else. Aggro, repetitiveness in cards or decks, or casual not being played the way they think it should be... none of these things are or are necessarily caused by Netdecking.

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I'm at 30 health opponent at 6 with a single murloc on board.

I lost because he put out over 25/25 in stats and cleared my board, because Murloc Shaman.

Go ahead and tell me this is fine.

 This seems like a bit of a non-sequitur. That type of thing would still happen in a world without netdecking. Aggro would still exist as a strategy, and you would still sometimes lose from a position of seeming advantage due to it.

But again, this is kinda what I've been seeing all throughout out this topic. People think they hate netdecking, but they actually hate something else. Aggro, repetitiveness in cards or decks, or casual not being played the way they think it should be... none of these things are or are necessarily caused by Netdecking.

 

 Also, they tend to hate losing.

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I'm at 30 health opponent at 6 with a single murloc on board.

I lost because he put out over 25/25 in stats and cleared my board, because Murloc Shaman.

Go ahead and tell me this is fine.

 It is fine. 

I think it's hard to make your own decks nowadays, there are currently too many strong decks right now and the meta is entirely different. Also, it's a bad time to test a deck since there are many people who wants to try out competitive decks.

I'm completely fine with netdecks as it can improve our custom decks, but not every game we have to play against competitive decks, that really sucks, especially in casual mode. Now I'm not inspiring people to make a horrible deck and play with it. But, I also don't want to discourage people not to use their own decks, especially if you're deck maker genius. You can win with your own decks, but you have to adapt to meta to deal with these problems, it can improve your deckbuilding too for a while.

And by the way, making your own deck (once again) is pretty hard now, I advise players to go for a netdeck first, especially if your deck is bad (or even it's your best deck that is still being bad), but as you see in this thread, it's better not to go inside casual game mode and play with overpowered decks, it's just much better for you to test out the competitive deck in ranked mode than unreliable casual mode, or maybe you have other reasons to play in casual mode for quests or something. But hey, you're free to go anywhere you want, no one is stopping you.

In short, I don't like facing strong decks in casual, it's just ruining a fun experience. Not due to facing strong decks, but due to facing strongest decks out there. But again, it's up to people to test out their decks in anywhere they want. Nothing we can do about it.

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I'm at 30 health opponent at 6 with a single murloc on board.

I lost because he put out over 25/25 in stats and cleared my board, because Murloc Shaman.

Go ahead and tell me this is fine.

 This seems like a bit of a non-sequitur. That type of thing would still happen in a world without netdecking. Aggro would still exist as a strategy, and you would still sometimes lose from a position of seeming advantage due to it.

But again, this is kinda what I've been seeing all throughout out this topic. People think they hate netdecking, but they actually hate something else. Aggro, repetitiveness in cards or decks, or casual not being played the way they think it should be... none of these things are or are necessarily caused by Netdecking.

 

 No, I hate netdecking.  You wanna play a homebrew aggro deck?  That's fine.  Keep murloc shaman out of casual though.  keep token druid out of casual. 

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I'm at 30 health opponent at 6 with a single murloc on board.

I lost because he put out over 25/25 in stats and cleared my board, because Murloc Shaman.

Go ahead and tell me this is fine.

 This seems like a bit of a non-sequitur. That type of thing would still happen in a world without netdecking. Aggro would still exist as a strategy, and you would still sometimes lose from a position of seeming advantage due to it.

But again, this is kinda what I've been seeing all throughout out this topic. People think they hate netdecking, but they actually hate something else. Aggro, repetitiveness in cards or decks, or casual not being played the way they think it should be... none of these things are or are necessarily caused by Netdecking.

 

 No, I hate netdecking.  You wanna play a homebrew aggro deck?  That's fine.  Keep murloc shaman out of casual though.  keep token druid out of casual. 

 I faced so many murloc shamans in casual yesterday actually when I was messing around with a meme rogue deck. I could only assume that it's a good deck for farming gold in this mode or something, as it's not like it's something you;d ever need practice with. ha ha. 

with this in mind, have you played any of the new murloc decks? I'm extremely tempted to build the cheap overload one. It looks like fun, but it does have some bad match up's that are prevalent like bomb warrior and tempo rogue, so this is putting me off slightly. 

I am not sure whether I should just invest harder into druid (as druid is my favourite this expac so far with the mid range, token, treant stuff) or get some shaman stuff as well. 

shaman and druid were my least played classes, so getting t play a deck for both that I find appealing is probs a good idea. I don't wanna just play a variation on a deck I've played a million times like zoo or whatever.

as they say "variety is the spice of life" 

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I'm at 30 health opponent at 6 with a single murloc on board.

I lost because he put out over 25/25 in stats and cleared my board, because Murloc Shaman.

Go ahead and tell me this is fine.

 This seems like a bit of a non-sequitur. That type of thing would still happen in a world without netdecking. Aggro would still exist as a strategy, and you would still sometimes lose from a position of seeming advantage due to it.

But again, this is kinda what I've been seeing all throughout out this topic. People think they hate netdecking, but they actually hate something else. Aggro, repetitiveness in cards or decks, or casual not being played the way they think it should be... none of these things are or are necessarily caused by Netdecking.

 

 No, I hate netdecking.  You wanna play a homebrew aggro deck?  That's fine.  Keep murloc shaman out of casual though.  keep token druid out of casual. 

 Again, I think you're missing the point. If you want people to run non-optimized decks in casual, getting rid of netdecking would not do that. People would still eventually figure out that Murloc Shaman is the most efficient model to play there, and you would still face it. The corruption of casual by meta-decks would just happen slightly slower without the information transfer facilitated through netdecking. 

So, I reiterate, you may hate netdecking, but the opinions you are sharing here are not expressing that. What you are expressing is that you hate optimized decks in a format you would prefer be off limits to optimized decks.

I’m sorry are you getting at the point that players should have the power to click a “Should this game count for your opponent” button?!?! That has to be the worst idea I’ve ever heard for any video game ever. Salty your opponent top decked lethal? Hit no after the game. He/She emoted you GG two turns early. Hit no after the game. A person first time crafted a new archetype and is sitting at high rank (subjective to their performance) and doesn’t want to hurt their rank? Meh it was a high tier deck... hit no after the game. Absolutely terrible, salty, inconsiderate, spoiled brat, of an idea. Good lord I don’t think I’ve ever been so mad reading an opinion before in my life, but it happened here just now with this comment. The day someone was dumb enough to put this system into place is the day I’d start campaigning on every site possible to get people to quit.

It depends on what you want from the game and if it's the general "beat your opponent no matter what fuck them" mentality (AKA competition) it clearly contradicts that. Instead such a system incentivices people to play the game more like both parties would like it. Maybe you're forgetting something: You are your opponent's opponent. And just to be clear: This only makes sense in casual, not ranked. I just didn't mentioned it because the topic of the thread is about casual and also I don't really give a fuck about ranked anyways.

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I'm at 30 health opponent at 6 with a single murloc on board.

I lost because he put out over 25/25 in stats and cleared my board, because Murloc Shaman.

Go ahead and tell me this is fine.

 This seems like a bit of a non-sequitur. That type of thing would still happen in a world without netdecking. Aggro would still exist as a strategy, and you would still sometimes lose from a position of seeming advantage due to it.

But again, this is kinda what I've been seeing all throughout out this topic. People think they hate netdecking, but they actually hate something else. Aggro, repetitiveness in cards or decks, or casual not being played the way they think it should be... none of these things are or are necessarily caused by Netdecking.

 

 No, I hate netdecking.  You wanna play a homebrew aggro deck?  That's fine.  Keep murloc shaman out of casual though.  keep token druid out of casual. 

 Again, I think you're missing the point. If you want people to run non-optimized decks in casual, getting rid of netdecking would not do that. People would still eventually figure out that Murloc Shaman is the most efficient model to play there, and you would still face it. The corruption of casual by meta-decks would just happen slightly slower without the information transfer facilitated through netdecking. 

So, I reiterate, you may hate netdecking, but the opinions you are sharing here are not expressing that. What you are expressing is that you hate optimized decks in a format you would prefer be off limits to optimized decks.

 Go ahead and run your non optimized homebrew deck.  You wanna run a bunch of basic/Classic Murlocs, fine.  Let me ban Scargil and Lyra the 2-drop Murloc. You wanna run Token Druid? Fine, let me just ban Druid altogether.  

What do I need to do to prove to you that I hate netdecks in casual, aside from outright saying, "I hate netdecks in casual"?  Shall I link you to pretty much every post I've ever made in the Salt thread?  Should I point out the multiple times I've been banned for spamming the Salt thread out of frustration from netdecks in casual?  

Or are you going to use this post once again to somehow show me that I don't actually mean any of this?

It's where people practice. They only think of significance about it is you are not ranked. So if you care about rankings, but play something you think will lose, you go to casual.

But casual should not be thought of as easy, it's more just where people who think they might lose are playing. 

It often has lots of net decks because people are trying them out to see how they work or just running quests. (I do 90% of my quests in ranked but I don't really care much about my ranking.)

I will say there is a slightly higher percentage of unrefined decks in casual, but not by a big margin.

I have never in my life playing Hearthstone netdecked. I make my own decks using what i personally find fun. I simply take pride in designing something that is not a meta netdeck as i know i make the game more fun for others and for my own enjoyment and dont harm it.

It is like that for me in many games. In Baldurs Gate 2, the easiest way to win the game is simply to spam Cloudkill + Web and you will beat every single encounter without no effort. But what is the fun in that? The game has over 500+ different spells so why limit yourself to just 2 spells. Sounds like a awfully self defeating way to play a game imo.

The idea of fun is ofcourse incredibly subjective, and i know its wrong for me to blame netdecks as most of those players also do just play the game the way they want and they also have a ton of fun else they would obviously not play the game. I just wish more players would be interested in the deck building part of the game and take pride in their own creations.

You guys are aware that a successful 'Homebrew' is basically a Tier one or Two deck with a few different cards. Right? 

 With the millions of Hearthstone players out there and the relatively few Cards available, your precious Home brew has already been made. Right?

 So get off your High Horses and give it some thought. You aren't Special. And people can play whatever the hell they want in whatever mode they choose to play.

 Edit: And if you really want to play your Special Snowflake Games, get together with some friends and just Ban whatever takes your Fancy. Why the hell should Blizzard do that for you. 

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You guys are aware that a successful 'Homebrew' is basically a Tier one or Two deck with a few different cards. Right? 

 With the millions of Hearthstone players out there and the relatively few Cards available, your precious Home brew has already been made. Right?

 So get off your High Horses and give it some thought. You aren't Special. And people can play whatever the hell they want in whatever mode they choose to play.

 Edit: And if you really want to play your Special Snowflake Games, get together with some friends and just Ban whatever takes your Fancy. Why the hell should Blizzard do that for you. 

 That is......actually quite incorrect.  A lot of homebrew decks are purely brand new ideas that wouldn't stand a chance on ladder.  I've personally made decks I've literally never seen played in any mode, so no, they haven't all been made (maybe they have, but I'm just a statistical anomaly that hasn't ever queued into my own deck?)

Yes, people can play whatever they want in any mode they want (unfortunately).  People who play competitive ladder decks have two places (three if you count the Innkeeper) to play their decks - Ladder and Casual.  That means Casual players who want to play against non ladder decks have no dedicated mode to do so.  "Just concede if you don't like the matchup" then means that I'm stuck conceding games for maybe an hour or more, or eventually just trying to stick it out and eventually losing a 20 minute game against Bomb Warrior.  

If I want to try out my crazy idea that I had in theorycrafting, guess what - I can't.  There is no mode for me to try that out where I can be reasonably sure that I'm not just going to get crushed by Big Mage or Token Druid or Bomb Warrior or Aggro/Tempo Rogue.  All these new cards and combos to try out and I literally cannot try them, because Casual is made up entirely of netdecks. 

The fact that this thread exists is evidence that there is a demand for a less serious mode.  

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You guys are aware that a successful 'Homebrew' is basically a Tier one or Two deck with a few different cards. Right? 

 With the millions of Hearthstone players out there and the relatively few Cards available, your precious Home brew has already been made. Right?

 So get off your High Horses and give it some thought. You aren't Special. And people can play whatever the hell they want in whatever mode they choose to play.

 Edit: And if you really want to play your Special Snowflake Games, get together with some friends and just Ban whatever takes your Fancy. Why the hell should Blizzard do that for you. 

 yeah dude, I try to say this every time in a way. 

like when people start going on about "netdecking" and stuff. there are limited cards, some work better than others, people are naturally going to use the cards that work over the ones that don't. 

also a lot of interactions were already thought of by the devs, so technically they created the decks anyway. ha ha. 

I don't think this was really your point, but I do understand what you're saying. 

what you playing anyway, smeg-head? 

also I got some curry flavoured beer you might be interested in. 

To be honest it annoys me. Why play the strong meta face decks in public? Like when I do a public match myself I try some fun decks or bad tier decks. But when I face meta decks I'm just confused as if they clicked the wrong button. 

Casual is for whatever. It sucks to face meta decks one after the other while you're trying to meme or test a homebrew or whatever, but it's casual. Someone might be testing their netdeck to see if they have a grasp on it before hitting ladder, or just getting their daily done quickly.