What i havent mentioned is Rogue having no important cards gone. It will be a sin removing Gadgetzan Auctioneer, doing so will vanish all good old nice miracle rogue :.(
Miracle rogue can still work without Auctioneer. Prep+Sprint works just fine and is debatably better. The only way Miracle completely dies out is if both Auctioneer AND Prep get HoF'd
4 mana draw 2 is not really “better than auctioneer,” as often you can draw more than that. Also, it might be “ok” cycle. But you need a two card combo for a weaker (and more expensive) arcane intellect. I disagree that it’s better.
4 mana draw 2?
Prep + Sprint is 4 mana draw 4, which is much better than the likes of Arcane Intellect and Nourish. Actually, this combo was the main draw engine of oil rogue and similar decks before. Apparently, Auctioneer is a better engine, and w/o him miracle rogue will suck. However, some kind of malygos rogue will emerge with the aforementioned combo, mimic pod, minstrel and thalnos as card draw. That is of course, if Auctioneer rotates out.
What i havent mentioned is Rogue having no important cards gone. It will be a sin removing Gadgetzan Auctioneer, doing so will vanish all good old nice miracle rogue :.(
Miracle rogue can still work without Auctioneer. Prep+Sprint works just fine and is debatably better. The only way Miracle completely dies out is if both Auctioneer AND Prep get HoF'd
4 mana draw 2 is not really “better than auctioneer,” as often you can draw more than that. Also, it might be “ok” cycle. But you need a two card combo for a weaker (and more expensive) arcane intellect. I disagree that it’s better.
4 mana draw 2?
Prep + Sprint is 4 mana draw 4, which is much better than the likes of Arcane Intellect and Nourish. Actually, this combo was the main draw engine of oil rogue and similar decks before. Apparently, Auctioneer is a better engine, and w/o him miracle rogue will suck. However, some kind of malygos rogue will emerge with the aforementioned combo, mimic pod, minstrel and thalnos as card draw. That is of course, if Auctioneer rotates out.
Counterfeit Coin Rotating will hurt Miracle rogue, but it not sure it will kill it as some decks don't run it.
For big priest, there are additional board clears like Dragonfire, Pint-Sized, PoM.
Kabal Talonpriest for any tempo-midrange priest deck.
Kun for most druid decks out there (this card just became popular with UI)
Grimscale Chum for murloc paladin is another good turn 1 play.
For shaman and druid, all jade cards are important losses (Chieftain is not). So unless new set brings a whole lot of new toys, both classes will be totally different from now on.
Great list! +1 for the effort
Priest is getting wrecked after their reign of terror in single card power plays
In my opinion they wont rotate Ice Block into wild, because this is literally the only card keeping every Mage Archetype except Cancer-Burn-your-Face-Mage viable (Quest, Big Spell, Control etc.) alive. Furthermore, Ice Block is a card you can so easily Tech against, it isn't that big of a problem. If there's anybody crying out there about Ice Block, just use Eater of Secrets.
EDIT: And after the rotation, I'm sure they will print some "Follow Up" replacing the Eater.
nah they cant continue printing crabs or eaters. If you know Blizzard last years , you understand they will change everything. Also even eater of secrets is too slow
There will always be a need for tech cards to be printed, and if you're saying something is slower that the slowest card in the entire game (Ice Block) I'm afraid you're gravely mistaken. I gladly await the next form of anti-secret tech as Hunter is catching on and Mage will always have the best secrets at 3 mana a piece.
For big priest, there are additional board clears like Dragonfire, Pint-Sized, PoM.
Kabal Talonpriest for any tempo-midrange priest deck.
Kun for most druid decks out there (this card just became popular with UI)
Grimscale Chum for murloc paladin is another good turn 1 play.
For shaman and druid, all jade cards are important losses (Chieftain is not). So unless new set brings a whole lot of new toys, both classes will be totally different from now on.
Great list! +1 for the effort
Priest is getting wrecked after their reign of terror in single card power plays
In my opinion they wont rotate Ice Block into wild, because this is literally the only card keeping every Mage Archetype except Cancer-Burn-your-Face-Mage viable (Quest, Big Spell, Control etc.) alive. Furthermore, Ice Block is a card you can so easily Tech against, it isn't that big of a problem. If there's anybody crying out there about Ice Block, just use Eater of Secrets.
EDIT: And after the rotation, I'm sure they will print some "Follow Up" replacing the Eater.
nah they cant continue printing crabs or eaters. If you know Blizzard last years , you understand they will change everything. Also even eater of secrets is too slow
There will always be a need for tech cards to be printed, and if you're saying something is slower that the slowest card in the entire game (Ice Block) I'm afraid you're gravely mistaken. I gladly await the next form of anti-secret tech as Hunter is catching on and Mage will always have the best secrets at 3 mana a piece.
if i am mistaken, all statistical websites are mistaken, techs against secrets dont work, get over it. and i mentioned nzoth in first comment, for cube lock though it wont be such an important miss as it is for control. still considering how hard the other classes drop, losing nzoth is nothing
The other guy mentioned specifically Ice Block, and Eater of Secrets perfectly deals with that card, but I do agree with you that he is too slow for the stream of secrets that the tempo burn mage throws at you in this meta.
What i havent mentioned is Rogue having no important cards gone. It will be a sin removing Gadgetzan Auctioneer, doing so will vanish all good old nice miracle rogue :.(
Miracle rogue can still work without Auctioneer. Prep+Sprint works just fine and is debatably better. The only way Miracle completely dies out is if both Auctioneer AND Prep get HoF'd
4 mana draw 2 is not really “better than auctioneer,” as often you can draw more than that. Also, it might be “ok” cycle. But you need a two card combo for a weaker (and more expensive) arcane intellect. I disagree that it’s better.
4 mana draw 2?
Prep + Sprint is 4 mana draw 4, which is much better than the likes of Arcane Intellect and Nourish. Actually, this combo was the main draw engine of oil rogue and similar decks before. Apparently, Auctioneer is a better engine, and w/o him miracle rogue will suck. However, some kind of malygos rogue will emerge with the aforementioned combo, mimic pod, minstrel and thalnos as card draw. That is of course, if Auctioneer rotates out.
Yes i meant what i said when i said draw 2. You are spending two cards (which could be two good cards that actually do something relevant to your opponents life total or board control) to draw 4, your net gain is 2 cards. 4 -2 is 2. In addition, you cannot use sprint into sprint or prep into prep so you need exactly these two cards to make this weak play happen, which is another drawback.
You said “arguably better than gadget” which is just so far from the truth. Gadget leaves a body, he’s a must kill minion, and sometimes he draws your entire deck.
As someone who started about a month before Ungoro, I cant wait for the rotation. While I have gotten a lot of the important cards from the 2016 sets, I didnt get them all. The meta will drastically change and I will have more of the cards that make up the decks.
Where’s the love for handbuff? I for one will miss all the MSoG cards some classes got. Never had more fun as paladin than with handbuff!!! At rank 5 now with my valanyr/ grimestreet / dopplegangster smugglers run etcdeck. So much fun. Damn shame
and poor priest losing drak op will be a huge hit to any dragon big etc build.
Where’s the love for handbuff? I for one will miss all the MSoG cards some classes got. Never had more fun as paladin than with handbuff!!! At rank 5 now with my valanyr/ grimestreet / dopplegangster smugglers run etcdeck. So much fun. Damn shame
and poor priest losing drak op will be a huge hit to any dragon big etc build.
you may be one of the rare handbuff paladin players dude xp but ok fair enough , i will write that too
What i havent mentioned is Rogue having no important cards gone. It will be a sin removing Gadgetzan Auctioneer, doing so will vanish all good old nice miracle rogue :.(
Miracle rogue can still work without Auctioneer. Prep+Sprint works just fine and is debatably better. The only way Miracle completely dies out is if both Auctioneer AND Prep get HoF'd
4 mana draw 2 is not really “better than auctioneer,” as often you can draw more than that. Also, it might be “ok” cycle. But you need a two card combo for a weaker (and more expensive) arcane intellect. I disagree that it’s better.
4 mana draw 2?
Prep + Sprint is 4 mana draw 4, which is much better than the likes of Arcane Intellect and Nourish. Actually, this combo was the main draw engine of oil rogue and similar decks before. Apparently, Auctioneer is a better engine, and w/o him miracle rogue will suck. However, some kind of malygos rogue will emerge with the aforementioned combo, mimic pod, minstrel and thalnos as card draw. That is of course, if Auctioneer rotates out.
Yes i meant what i said when i said draw 2. You are spending two cards (which could be two good cards that actually do something relevant to your opponents life total or board control) to draw 4, your net gain is 2 cards. 4 -2 is 2. In addition, you cannot use sprint into sprint or prep into prep so you need exactly these two cards to make this weak play happen, which is another drawback.
You said “arguably better than gadget” which is just so far from the truth. Gadget leaves a body, he’s a must kill minion, and sometimes he draws your entire deck.
If it was so good, people would do it.
I didn't say it was arguably better than gadget, that wasn't me, maybe check who wrote what first:)
I say, Gadget is a better draw engine,but for slower combo decks, Prep+Sprint should do the job.
Plus, saying that it is 'draw 2 because you use 2 cards to draw 4' is not logical, because with that logic Arcane Intellect draws 1 card and Azure Drake doesn't even draw.
You're posting this as if it's new that decks will die or change after a rotation or nerf. This is literally what happens every time a set rotate in or out. Remember the trash that Warlock was through Un'goro and Frozen Throne? Now it's the most dominant class in the meta. Remember Midrange Shaman during Karazhan? Now it's fallen because Blizzard wants Shaman to take another route (I actually would like to see how they implement freeze Shaman). Remember Control Warrior? It's gone now because The Grand Tournament rotated out with Justicar Trueheart. Stuff like this happens all the time, I don't know why it's being fussed about nowadays. Yeah, it's sad to see expansions go, but you can always play Wild. This is how Hearthstone works, there are cards that create archetypes, new cards are introduced to refine them or make other archetypes, and cards rotate out so you have to make new decks with the new cards. I don't understand why everyone is saying "Oh my god, Hearthstone is going to change so much next expansion" because this has happened ever since Naxxramas rotated out.
You're posting this as if it's new that decks will die or change after a rotation or nerf. This is literally what happens every time a set rotate in or out. Remember the trash that Warlock was through Un'goro and Frozen Throne? Now it's the most dominant class in the meta. Remember Midrange Shaman during Karazhan? Now it's fallen because Blizzard wants Shaman to take another route (I actually would like to see how they implement freeze Shaman). Remember Control Warrior? It's gone now because The Grand Tournament rotated out with Justicar Trueheart. Stuff like this happens all the time, I don't know why it's being fussed about nowadays. Yeah, it's sad to see expansions go, but you can always play Wild. This is how Hearthstone works, there are cards that create archetypes, new cards are introduced to refine them or make other archetypes, and cards rotate out so you have to make new decks with the new cards. I don't understand why everyone is saying "Oh my god, Hearthstone is going to change so much next expansion" because this has happened ever since Naxxramas rotated out.
you are missing the point Davy Jones. people are more happy to never see this decks anymore as ever. and new players want to craft meta decks, all meta decks contain dead cards so i listed for them to know what not to craft
agreed
Blizzard is a lie for money lul
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The other guy mentioned specifically Ice Block, and Eater of Secrets perfectly deals with that card, but I do agree with you that he is too slow for the stream of secrets that the tempo burn mage throws at you in this meta.
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As someone who started about a month before Ungoro, I cant wait for the rotation. While I have gotten a lot of the important cards from the 2016 sets, I didnt get them all. The meta will drastically change and I will have more of the cards that make up the decks.
If you are in your first year of playing please read this post.
Dust does not burn a hole in the jar. Be careful what you craft, especially before and right after a rotation.
Where’s the love for handbuff? I for one will miss all the MSoG cards some classes got. Never had more fun as paladin than with handbuff!!! At rank 5 now with my valanyr/ grimestreet / dopplegangster smugglers run etcdeck. So much fun. Damn shame
and poor priest losing drak op will be a huge hit to any dragon big etc build.
Blizzard is a lie for money lul
i have updated the thread with even more info, check it out
Blizzard is a lie for money lul
You're posting this as if it's new that decks will die or change after a rotation or nerf. This is literally what happens every time a set rotate in or out. Remember the trash that Warlock was through Un'goro and Frozen Throne? Now it's the most dominant class in the meta. Remember Midrange Shaman during Karazhan? Now it's fallen because Blizzard wants Shaman to take another route (I actually would like to see how they implement freeze Shaman). Remember Control Warrior? It's gone now because The Grand Tournament rotated out with Justicar Trueheart. Stuff like this happens all the time, I don't know why it's being fussed about nowadays. Yeah, it's sad to see expansions go, but you can always play Wild. This is how Hearthstone works, there are cards that create archetypes, new cards are introduced to refine them or make other archetypes, and cards rotate out so you have to make new decks with the new cards. I don't understand why everyone is saying "Oh my god, Hearthstone is going to change so much next expansion" because this has happened ever since Naxxramas rotated out.
Blizzard is a lie for money lul
It seems fatigue warrior and mill rogue are dying with the new hall of fame.