I can't believe I'm wasting my time posting this. if mmr matchmaking is "rigging", then every sport and game EVER is rigged.
The definition of ladder play is rigged.
They play games... 1st place plays second place (high mmr)... 3rd place place 4th place (medium mmr)... 5th place plays 6th place (low mmr), etc, etc... That is how matchmaking for just about everything works... You play, you are ranked, you are placed with equally matched players... Every sport has different levels, all of them are marked milby difficulty based on the skill of those playing.
Matchmaking can pretty much assure "fair" matchups... Going beyond that into "in game rigging" is LITERALLY pointless. They can achieve their goals without putting "corrupt" programming into their game which would inevitably be found by freelance programmers. There going to risk their lucrative esports franchise just to piss you off? Or, to get the 50% average winrate by which they are already getting through mmr matchmaking?
Same reason athletes don't really use steroids anymore... Not worth it.
It would be pointless = I don't understand it = must not be happening.
Fanboy logic.
Making the game so easy that new players can win 50% of their games keeps them playing longer. Getting people to play longer is not pointless. Getting people to spend real money on decks is not pointless.
ZTG pulled back the curtain but some players simply refuse to acknowledge it. The answer to the question of "why would they use ZTG programming throughout the game" is to achieve their stated goal of an overall 50% win rate.
What are you talking about? Matchmaking based on a win percentage is the definition of rigging. They are actively removing any true random occurrence of opponents you meet based on how often your deck wins. That is altering the natural random occurrence of what decks and players you run across to ensure that you lose if you have won more times that you have lost recently.
And - yes it does make perfect sense. Here's just a few reasons.
Blizzard believes a 50% win rate goal is ideal for all players in terms of keeping the maximum numbers of players actively addicted.
Blizzard wants to sell digital card packs.
Blizzard believes that if unskilled players, noobs and children can't win often enough they will dislike the game and won't pay for their content.
That's more than enough reason right there to manipulate natural occurrence odds.
The frustrating part is that despite Blizzard flat out publishing that they manipulate the occurrence of cards, manipulate the matchmaking system, pity timer, ZTG, etc some players actually say "yeah maybe in those cases they do but they would never manipulate anything else." It simply defies logic. Imagine stepping up to a blackjack table and the dealer saying "I can control whether I deal you a red card or black card but I promise I won't manipulate the deck any other way." How much are you going to bet?
Exactly...and if anything the fact that they manipulate your matches is actually the WORST possible thing you can do to a digital card game like Hearthstone.
Why? because the biggest draw to a game like this is the ability to randomly queue into opponents. Without the ability to do that...you will always face opponents 50% of the time that will counter whatever deck you make creatively on your own - which is the only way this game can provide any fun whatsoever. Making it feel exactly like what it really is...cheap, highrolly, and manipulated...because it is.
Regardless of what you create...Blizzard's MMR provides opponents that literally counter your deck.
I can't believe I'm wasting my time posting this. if mmr matchmaking is "rigging", then every sport and game EVER is rigged.
The definition of ladder play is rigged.
They play games... 1st place plays second place (high mmr)... 3rd place place 4th place (medium mmr)... 5th place plays 6th place (low mmr), etc, etc... That is how matchmaking for just about everything works... You play, you are ranked, you are placed with equally matched players... Every sport has different levels, all of them are marked milby difficulty based on the skill of those playing.
Matchmaking can pretty much assure "fair" matchups... Going beyond that into "in game rigging" is LITERALLY pointless. They can achieve their goals without putting "corrupt" programming into their game which would inevitably be found by freelance programmers. There going to risk their lucrative esports franchise just to piss you off? Or, to get the 50% average winrate by which they are already getting through mmr matchmaking?
Same reason athletes don't really use steroids anymore... Not worth it.
Please. Get a grip.
That is why the MMR is hidden and your rank is different than your mmr. This way terrible players with low MMR can achieve the same rank/rewards as good players with high MMR. It is called player engagement and is well documented.
All the rigged RNG in this game is in further pursuit of the goal of keeping noobs and small children happy so they keep buying packs.
Savage roar just fucking needs to go asap, these games are pure aids when turn 4 is lethal. How the fuck am i suppose to win against shit like this, fucking swarm the board on turn 2 and turn 3 lethal with this wanker card
I can't believe I'm wasting my time posting this. if mmr matchmaking is "rigging", then every sport and game EVER is rigged.
The definition of ladder play is rigged.
They play games... 1st place plays second place (high mmr)... 3rd place place 4th place (medium mmr)... 5th place plays 6th place (low mmr), etc, etc... That is how matchmaking for just about everything works... You play, you are ranked, you are placed with equally matched players... Every sport has different levels, all of them are marked milby difficulty based on the skill of those playing.
Matchmaking can pretty much assure "fair" matchups... Going beyond that into "in game rigging" is LITERALLY pointless. They can achieve their goals without putting "corrupt" programming into their game which would inevitably be found by freelance programmers. There going to risk their lucrative esports franchise just to piss you off? Or, to get the 50% average winrate by which they are already getting through mmr matchmaking?
Same reason athletes don't really use steroids anymore... Not worth it.
Please. Get a grip.
That is why the MMR is hidden and your rank is different than your mmr. This way terrible players with low MMR can achieve the same rank/rewards as good players with high MMR. It is called player engagement and is well documented.
All the rigged RNG in this game is in further pursuit of the goal of keeping noobs and small children happy so they keep buying packs.
MMR isn't "hidden" as though it were some secret agenda... They early discuss it... They so explain that it's only on effect while you have a star multiplier... Beyond that, who cares??
Out of curiosity, are you a QAnon guy? or more is Critical Race Theory more your bag?
I can't believe I'm wasting my time posting this. if mmr matchmaking is "rigging", then every sport and game EVER is rigged.
The definition of ladder play is rigged.
They play games... 1st place plays second place (high mmr)... 3rd place place 4th place (medium mmr)... 5th place plays 6th place (low mmr), etc, etc... That is how matchmaking for just about everything works... You play, you are ranked, you are placed with equally matched players... Every sport has different levels, all of them are marked milby difficulty based on the skill of those playing.
Matchmaking can pretty much assure "fair" matchups... Going beyond that into "in game rigging" is LITERALLY pointless. They can achieve their goals without putting "corrupt" programming into their game which would inevitably be found by freelance programmers. There going to risk their lucrative esports franchise just to piss you off? Or, to get the 50% average winrate by which they are already getting through mmr matchmaking?
Same reason athletes don't really use steroids anymore... Not worth it.
Please. Get a grip.
That is why the MMR is hidden and your rank is different than your mmr. This way terrible players with low MMR can achieve the same rank/rewards as good players with high MMR. It is called player engagement and is well documented.
All the rigged RNG in this game is in further pursuit of the goal of keeping noobs and small children happy so they keep buying packs.
MMR isn't "hidden" as though it were some secret agenda... They early discuss it... They so explain that it's only on effect while you have a star multiplier... Beyond that, who cares??
Out of curiosity, are you a QAnon guy? or more is Critical Race Theory more your bag?
I am sick of playing against mages. My win-rate has dropped dramatically since Scholomance came out. They are so annoying to play against. I don't like queuing into them now.
Screw this game for playing against the same bullshit decks all the time. Clown fiesta mages, rOUges, soul DHS, libram retardins and face hunters go fuck yourselves
Been having terrible luck in arena lately. Frustrating.
I've lost to hunter 9/10 times. I don't know how, every time I play hunter I'm lucky to go 3/3.
Similar story with Druid, have had several games where I play embiggen early on and then lose even though I play big taunts several turns in a row, they just happen to have something absurd like three hunters mark and a silence. Whenever I play against a druid with an embiggen turn 1 I just get wrecked.
Have been getting crushed with what I thought were absurd priest decks.
Hm all three of my arena losses came to rng and runner runner runner runner top decks imagine that! Btw thanks mods glad you keep up comments certain people make degrading people here. But god forbid I say anything about them :’(
I can't believe I'm wasting my time posting this. if mmr matchmaking is "rigging", then every sport and game EVER is rigged.
The definition of ladder play is rigged.
They play games... 1st place plays second place (high mmr)... 3rd place place 4th place (medium mmr)... 5th place plays 6th place (low mmr), etc, etc... That is how matchmaking for just about everything works... You play, you are ranked, you are placed with equally matched players... Every sport has different levels, all of them are marked milby difficulty based on the skill of those playing.
Matchmaking can pretty much assure "fair" matchups... Going beyond that into "in game rigging" is LITERALLY pointless. They can achieve their goals without putting "corrupt" programming into their game which would inevitably be found by freelance programmers. There going to risk their lucrative esports franchise just to piss you off? Or, to get the 50% average winrate by which they are already getting through mmr matchmaking?
Same reason athletes don't really use steroids anymore... Not worth it.
Please. Get a grip.
Why are you in a salt thread trying explain? It’s for people to cry without know it alls telling them “Ackshuallay....” but since we’re here.
In no way does how a business matches its players to make money and retain customers compare to sports or tournament seedings. Your example shows how little you know about sports. If people can’t handle that this game is a business venture, they should move on.
Now getting back to the topic of salty crying........Nothing sucks more than playing my OTK deck vs. another OTK deck and losing a turn after I normally would have won, because Druids keep getting everything nerfed. :(
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Grammar is the difference between knowing your crap, and knowing you’re crap.
I can't believe I'm wasting my time posting this. if mmr matchmaking is "rigging", then every sport and game EVER is rigged.
The definition of ladder play is rigged.
They play games... 1st place plays second place (high mmr)... 3rd place place 4th place (medium mmr)... 5th place plays 6th place (low mmr), etc, etc... That is how matchmaking for just about everything works... You play, you are ranked, you are placed with equally matched players... Every sport has different levels, all of them are marked milby difficulty based on the skill of those playing.
Matchmaking can pretty much assure "fair" matchups... Going beyond that into "in game rigging" is LITERALLY pointless. They can achieve their goals without putting "corrupt" programming into their game which would inevitably be found by freelance programmers. There going to risk their lucrative esports franchise just to piss you off? Or, to get the 50% average winrate by which they are already getting through mmr matchmaking?
Same reason athletes don't really use steroids anymore... Not worth it.
Please. Get a grip.
It would be pointless = I don't understand it = must not be happening.
Fanboy logic.
Making the game so easy that new players can win 50% of their games keeps them playing longer. Getting people to play longer is not pointless. Getting people to spend real money on decks is not pointless.
ZTG pulled back the curtain but some players simply refuse to acknowledge it. The answer to the question of "why would they use ZTG programming throughout the game" is to achieve their stated goal of an overall 50% win rate.
This is really basic shit here.
The frustrating part is that despite Blizzard flat out publishing that they manipulate the occurrence of cards, manipulate the matchmaking system, pity timer, ZTG, etc some players actually say "yeah maybe in those cases they do but they would never manipulate anything else." It simply defies logic. Imagine stepping up to a blackjack table and the dealer saying "I can control whether I deal you a red card or black card but I promise I won't manipulate the deck any other way." How much are you going to bet?
Exactly...and if anything the fact that they manipulate your matches is actually the WORST possible thing you can do to a digital card game like Hearthstone.
Why? because the biggest draw to a game like this is the ability to randomly queue into opponents. Without the ability to do that...you will always face opponents 50% of the time that will counter whatever deck you make creatively on your own - which is the only way this game can provide any fun whatsoever. Making it feel exactly like what it really is...cheap, highrolly, and manipulated...because it is.
Regardless of what you create...Blizzard's MMR provides opponents that literally counter your deck.
That is why the MMR is hidden and your rank is different than your mmr. This way terrible players with low MMR can achieve the same rank/rewards as good players with high MMR. It is called player engagement and is well documented.
All the rigged RNG in this game is in further pursuit of the goal of keeping noobs and small children happy so they keep buying packs.
Savage roar just fucking needs to go asap, these games are pure aids when turn 4 is lethal. How the fuck am i suppose to win against shit like this, fucking swarm the board on turn 2 and turn 3 lethal with this wanker card
This game is just a created by mess now. Absolute state. No point even playing it.
Then don't?
MMR isn't "hidden" as though it were some secret agenda... They early discuss it... They so explain that it's only on effect while you have a star multiplier... Beyond that, who cares??
Out of curiosity, are you a QAnon guy? or more is Critical Race Theory more your bag?
9/11 Inside job?
Edgelord trolls salt thread.
Imagine this:
In the course of the game you shuffle like 45 1/1 Albatrosses and 15 Weasels into his deck. You are lucky and you shuffle 19! Nzoths into your deck.
You got 40 hp. He got 20 hp.
Guess what. He STILL is able to draw the perfect cards to fuck me. Guess what. I only drew ONE Nzoth. He won.
If the game decides im not allowed to win, because my winratio is over the top, this game is pulling of the most retarded stunts.
You can't beat manipulated RNG.
deleted this shit off my hdd, way too much cancer decks. maybe will install this next expansion
I do not get how Amalgadon works, why do I get crap results with it all the time? Last time 5 adapts 0 keywords, wth.
I am sick of playing against mages. My win-rate has dropped dramatically since Scholomance came out. They are so annoying to play against. I don't like queuing into them now.
Screw this game for playing against the same bullshit decks all the time. Clown fiesta mages, rOUges, soul DHS, libram retardins and face hunters go fuck yourselves
Been having terrible luck in arena lately. Frustrating.
I've lost to hunter 9/10 times. I don't know how, every time I play hunter I'm lucky to go 3/3.
Similar story with Druid, have had several games where I play embiggen early on and then lose even though I play big taunts several turns in a row, they just happen to have something absurd like three hunters mark and a silence. Whenever I play against a druid with an embiggen turn 1 I just get wrecked.
Have been getting crushed with what I thought were absurd priest decks.
Anyway, fuck RNG.
Hm all three of my arena losses came to rng and runner runner runner runner top decks imagine that! Btw thanks mods glad you keep up comments certain people make degrading people here. But god forbid I say anything about them :’(
Why are you in a salt thread trying explain? It’s for people to cry without know it alls telling them “Ackshuallay....” but since we’re here.
In no way does how a business matches its players to make money and retain customers compare to sports or tournament seedings. Your example shows how little you know about sports. If people can’t handle that this game is a business venture, they should move on.
Now getting back to the topic of salty crying........Nothing sucks more than playing my OTK deck vs. another OTK deck and losing a turn after I normally would have won, because Druids keep getting everything nerfed. :(
Grammar is the difference between knowing your crap, and knowing you’re crap.
A .gif is worth a thousand words.
FFS why is it that the SLOWER and dumber someone's plays are, the BETTER their RNG?
Never fails, particularly with discardlock players.