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Blizzard has a stated goal of an overall 50% win rate. This does not mean that every meta deck will have exactly 50% win rate. I'm not going to explain the math as it shouldn't be that difficult to comprehend.

With the new ranking system it is not difficult to reach legend. In fact if you read something other than gaming message boards you would see that legend rankings are at all time highs since the new system was put in place. The game rewards grinding not strategy. Play long enough and you'll hit legend. I realize that instead of answering the ZTG question you will now reply "how long?". I am not certain that there is a set time. When you hit legend you will have your answer. I have all golden heroes and just got my fourth 1,000+ win hero. Nothing in the game is difficult anymore as thought and strategy have long ago been removed. 

I apologize for not recognizing that your entire goal was to dodge my questions when I said "any deck works in ranked". I forgot to put "viable" in there. No a randomly generated deck is not viable. To save you the trip to Google "viable" means capable of being successful. 

Not surprisingly you still haven't offered an answer to my question regarding ZTG and the programming behind it being utilized in the game. I have typed a lot here just in the hopes that you will simply type "yes" or "no". A futile effort I am sure. It is easier to nail jello to a wall then to get you to answer a simple yes or no question. 

 

 You sound very upset and getting personal, I apologize for getting you so riled up, was not my intent. 
I completely agree that not every deck can get a 50% win rate, in fact that was my entire point. However, when you made your point about decks getting 50% winrate, your exact words were: “...some hodge podge deck you threw together“. That does not indicate a viable deck to me. If your point was only viable meta decks, then you don’t need some card manipulation algorithm to approximate 50% winrate. The viable meta decks are quite balanced (in fact, that’s what makes them viable), so regular MMR system where you get matched with more skilled players the better you do, will get you close to the desired 50%.

I also agree the new ranking system makes it very easy to reach legend with the new star multipliers and more rank floors. Since I play high legend in both wild and standard, I won’t be asking “how long”, as I’m very aware that’s subjective and - contrary to your belief - depends on deck and skill.

I never meant to dodge your question, I just needed to weed it out from the rant of insults you piled up. To keep it short: Of course ZTG code is being re-used when applicable. That is standard programming practice, for instance they had a brawl with wish cards that would do similar, only natural they used the code there.

If the question is indeed just a thinly veiled segue to asking if I think the same code is also used to rig every game and every card draw, then the answer can be on your desired form: “no”.

 "You sound very upset and getting personal, I apologize for getting you so riled up, was not my intent." - I applaud your effort to take what I say in almost every post and turn it around. It is those that want to believe that this is a skill game that get upset when I point out that it is not. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..."

It has been fun watching the evolution of denial from some players. The original argument was of course that the level of programming required to "rig the game" was so complex that Blizzard could never accomplish it. Then ZTG came out and not-so-surprisingly those naysayers disappeared. Now the position has evolved to "well yes they do have a card that reads the board and selects cards accordingly, but they only use that program in that instance, and maybe a couple of others, but not all the time." If that makes the game more enjoyable for you then by all means run with it. Your high legend rankings in both wild and standard are of course a testament to your skill at the game. 

Nerf everything except hunter good idea right? 

I am so tilted about the new DH card Glide, I feel betrayed. Team 5 said they would never make hand disruptive cards cuz they would be too unfun to play against, but then they make THIS. 

My hype for the new expansion went completely down the gutter, enjoy your 100% aggro meta folks, im out until they eventually nuke it into oblivion, hopefully.

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I am so tilted about the new DH card Glide, I feel betrayed. Team 5 said they would never make hand disruptive cards cuz they would be too unfun to play against, but then they make THIS. 

My hype for the new expansion went completely down the gutter, enjoy your 100% aggro meta folks, im out until they eventually nuke it into oblivion, hopefully.

 

 

 

It's possible that team 5 got replaced with new developers because the old ones have left to other projects

Hm funny how everytime im in an overwhelming position to win where I have the lethal my opponent just happens to top deck a miracle. Oh but the game doesn’t know the game state. The game doesn’t know the opps hand. Zephyrs is just a one card thing. My fucking ass you sack of shit lying company that’s why when im in a winning position I get sacked 100 percent of the time right!?

Resurrection priest.

Slow. Predictable. Boring. Ruins my game experience. 

No matter what I play on ladder I get matched up against resurrection priest around 75%. 

Is there a way I can change my matchmaking profile to: "looking for fun and outgoing players who like to experiment"? Can I block unwanted approaches from these cretins who play resurrection priest? 

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Hm funny how everytime im in an overwhelming position to win where I have the lethal my opponent just happens to top deck a miracle. Oh but the game doesn’t know the game state. The game doesn’t know the opps hand. Zephyrs is just a one card thing. My fucking ass you sack of shit lying company that’s why when im in a winning position I get sacked 100 percent of the time right!?

 Casual observation will tell you that the ZTG programming runs the entire game. Literally every game features one player drawing perfect cards and/or top decking the game winner. I lost to a hunter in 4 turns and I healed so he did 34 damage in 4 turns. I'm sure it's because he's really good at the game lol. People today have short attention spans. That's why most games don't go past 8 turns anymore. 

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Hm funny how everytime im in an overwhelming position to win where I have the lethal my opponent just happens to top deck a miracle. Oh but the game doesn’t know the game state. The game doesn’t know the opps hand. Zephyrs is just a one card thing. My fucking ass you sack of shit lying company that’s why when im in a winning position I get sacked 100 percent of the time right!?

 Casual observation will tell you that the ZTG programming runs the entire game. Literally every game features one player drawing perfect cards and/or top decking the game winner. I lost to a hunter in 4 turns and I healed so he did 34 damage in 4 turns. I'm sure it's because he's really good at the game lol. People today have short attention spans. That's why most games don't go past 8 turns anymore. 

 You are 100% dead on. Funny how you were called emotional, upset and personal for making a very valid very obvious point. This game is obviously rigged, and the HS team have stated on record that the matchmaking is set to maintaining a 50% win avg across the board for all players.  This invalidates the claim of anyone (Blizzard fanboy, employee, or otherwise) of saying that this game is not rigged.

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Hm funny how everytime im in an overwhelming position to win where I have the lethal my opponent just happens to top deck a miracle. Oh but the game doesn’t know the game state. The game doesn’t know the opps hand. Zephyrs is just a one card thing. My fucking ass you sack of shit lying company that’s why when im in a winning position I get sacked 100 percent of the time right!?

 Casual observation will tell you that the ZTG programming runs the entire game. Literally every game features one player drawing perfect cards and/or top decking the game winner. I lost to a hunter in 4 turns and I healed so he did 34 damage in 4 turns. I'm sure it's because he's really good at the game lol. People today have short attention spans. That's why most games don't go past 8 turns anymore. 

 Oh you’re def not wrong. Every loss I have is 100 percent to the perfect card. For example playing against hunter. One card in hand. Draws rotnest, the other card in hand just happens to be a dragon. My best creature dies everytime. 50/50 or a 1/4, 1/6, never matters. Whatever I don’t want to die always dies. In this case my divine shield and taunt creature gets killed. Which wins him the game. Because he proceeded to of course go face. I double trade or else I prob wouldve won next turn. His turn draws tops breath. Just so happens to be enough to win. Two perfect draws in a row to bail him out of his bad play and being immensely behind. Same shit game before vs warlock. It’s always always always top deck life steal or board clear. Oh look I have more than lethal. Top deck kelidan, followed by top decking life steal. Oh look suddenly I can’t win. Every single loss is exactly the same way against every class. It’s fucking bs. When I started playing in 16 the only bs hardcore rng classes that pulled shit out of there ass via top or discover/rng was mage and priest. And ive always hated those classes. Now every fucking class is like this now and it’s pretty goddamn sad. It’s literally affirmative action but for vidya. Oh you can’t think? Can’t strategize? Can’t build a deck yourself? That’s ok the game plays itself now! And maybe just maybe if these idiots didn’t pat themselves on the back and think they’re some next level masters. And maybe if Bli$$ard didn’t lie through their teeth about things, not even try to fix things (tho they pretend like they do) and insulting my intelligence I wouldn’t mind. But like everything else. Things always go to shit over time.

demon hunter's gonna be broken again, yay

just what everyone needs ffs

can't wait for 10 more nerfs i guess, bloody christ

Why does Saturday always bring out the idiot meme deck builders that don't know how to play their meme decks? I'm just trying to complete my quests here. Go fucking play the AI before you trot that shitty deck that your just going to lose with anyways, out live.

Wow. Multiple games with multiple classes. All Tier 1 or 2 decks. And today I learned that if Blizzard wants to lock you into a rank. There is zero you can do about it.

Tried to make an honest attempt to get to Plat 1 today. But every strategy or deck build I use, Blizzard is throwing me against the counter to it if I win a game or two. Every single game I got to Plat 5 with 3 stars, I get booted back to the floor level to start again.

I play OTK for some games........get paired with a combo buster player or super aggro.

I play Aggro for some games......get paired with control.

I play control for some games........I get paired with combo OTK.

And this isn't a "weekend" thing. I've been deadlocked in Plat 5 for two straight weeks now. I'm done for the day. Fuck this. Rather go do something that isn't fucking aggravating. I guess this is Blizzards way of making sure there are gatekeepers in all ranks, and this month it's me.

BG salt, but Ripsnarl Captain should get some sort of nerf. Infuriating to play against. What should be a reasonably fair fight or minor loss turns into taking 20+ damage from nearly-dead pirates. Either make him T5 or change his effect somehow. Total bullshit.

Dumb fucks that queue 100% standard lists into wild. Don't know how to use the UI? Can't even put the logic together that a 100% standard deck is almost certain to do better in standard than in wild?

Just fucking annoying. Isn't it obvious that people play wild to get away from standard? Otherwise, they'd play standard. Dur! I don't even care if it's a tier 20 deck; take that standard shit to standard you dumbasses. Bonus idiot points if it's a demon hunter.

I am fking done with the arena gamemode. I did not have the best paladin deck, but it was good enough, duh! 

Hell Yeah mate, lets roll into a highroll mage that highrolls double azure explorer into:

1) Ysera that he plays vs my giant board, only to highroll Ysera Awakens, when my entire board except twin tyrant and dig day is 5 hp or less.

2) Cobalt Spellking that gives Power of Creation (that gives Antonidas) and Evocation (that gives ray of frost and some other shit), both of which give him a perfect freeze to my semi-good 2 minions and a 1/1 recruit board, an antonidas and double fireball vs my 15 hp. 

Yep. Entire game of board domination that has been occasionally thwarted to a small extent by some freezes and cheap minions has been destroyed by both azure explorers rolling him ysera into awakens and cobalt spellkin into broken for arena spells. 

Oh by the way, time for a nice reward for my shenanigans - 25 dust, 20 gold, and another 40 dust AoO pack that has LITERALLY the same cards as the previous pack, with the exception of 1 or maybe 2 cards, but the rarity is all the same. 

I do not blame the player for anything. After that I managed to get a super unlikely win vs a reno mage as a spell hunter, just because my yogg psychic screamed himself into my enemy's empty deck, then void contracted himself and played double infestation. But we tend to only notice the bad thing, and it wasn't even the player or game issue, but the fact that every single arena run AND reward feels the same - gold, 40 dust pack, maybe a card/dust, some boring wins, some outrageous losses. 

Dude, I might be just a bad player, but I am still angery because of that. Good Lord this thread exists, I might've smashed my hard drive again if it wasn't for it

The meta sux right now. Its almost all Hunter. For days now its almost all Hunter.  For days now, its almost all Hunter. For days now, its almost all Hunter. 

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Dumb fucks that queue 100% standard lists into wild. Don't know how to use the UI? Can't even put the logic together that a 100% standard deck is almost certain to do better in standard than in wild?

Just fucking annoying. Isn't it obvious that people play wild to get away from standard? Otherwise, they'd play standard. Dur! I don't even care if it's a tier 20 deck; take that standard shit to standard you dumbasses. Bonus idiot points if it's a demon hunter.

 Facts, i hate that shit so much.

I see alot of Free Hunter Standard Deck tards in wild

yOuR wiSH iS mY SugGeSTiOn
 every single game

I miss the slower matches. I'm sick of all the Tokens and damage so early on. I enjoy a back and forth match. Every move calculated and necessary. Not "this do damage now me add me play" style. I enjoy a good game with my highlander mage against priest. Sick turns and twists.