I think Wild is the place to go for some creative decks. I think making new archetyps is the most fun aspect of the game. And in wild you have the cards to do so, like i did on my crazy minion thief prist :
I just don't get why most people here consider meta decks "unfun" .
For me personally winning is fun in itself . I don't need to do crazy combos or play with wacky cards to feel good . I just enjoy making my 1 mana 10 10 jades, killing people with savage roar on turn 4 , out armoring raza priest damage by just malfurion hp every turn and so on .
Why can't people enjoy simple but effective mechanics ? Someone please answer as I am genuinely curious to see what other people think about the game .
The mechanics are fun, but grinding them into the dirt as we've seen with jade druid dominating the meta for a short period of time and same with quest rogue and raza priest. All fun decks, but some of us want to go against the current of "win seeking" and find enjoyment in defeating an opponent with an original deck or even an old deck with a new card or two.
For you, winning is the game, for others, being the best, and still others: doing the most crazy Crap there is. I like a combination of winning and doing the stupidest Crap I can imagine and that usually requires a deck that everyone ISNT playing.
We dont have enough good cards, nor enough win condions, to be creative. Creativity doesnt mean you put together 30 medicore cards and moaning that you cant win against top decks.
I gave up a year ago on trying to reach legend with cool decks. (by cool I mean fun, non OP & non aggro). At that time, I was mainly playing with reno mage, reno warlock, midrange pali and a sort of control war. I reached a good rank 2 but then was completely digusted by the proportion of ultra aggro decks (80%+ under rank 5, mainly pirates). I guess some players with more time, will or skills can do it in those conditions, but I couldn't.
With the ambition of reaching legend with cool decks gone, the way I try to have fun now is reaching rank 5 with cool & reasonably strong decks (it's currently for me control warlock, big mage which is too horrible against secret mage & a personal control pali), and then start with experimenting cool ideas.
Experimenting at 10-15 is surely a thing and reaching rank 5 is not very easy, but the cool thing with experimenting at low ranks is it allows you to improve your creations, even though it can be very frustrating because indeed, noone is experimenting at rank 5...
theres no point in experimenting. you can watch people like thijs, one of the worlds best players, playing unconventional decks and he is stuck at ranks 3-5
theres no point in experimenting. you can watch people like thijs, one of the worlds best players, playing unconventional decks and he is stuck at ranks 3-5
Well the question is whether you are experimenting to be interesting or for competitive purposes. The "For wins or for fun" meme.
If you are experimenting for wins or competition, that ship sailed LONG ago. The first month is dedicated specifically for this practice and the folks that do it have spent far more time doing it than hearthstone has been alive. Very little new stuff will appear because the interesting new stuff has been found.
If you are experimenting for fun then really rank isn't that big of an issue so being 'stuck at 3-5 isn't a problem especially since it means you ARE getting wins with the deck. Folks that play fun decks aren't looking for a >50% win rate (though that would be nice) but they DO want some sort of win rate just to see the deck work.
this is why you try to go out and make groups of hearthstone friends outside the game, (can't really recommend making friends in-game, not that it hasn't worked for me, is that it hasn't worked for me as many times as just going outside to a hearthstone event has worked)
This is true.
For the most part, when you play your fun decks for IRL card games, you are just screwing around with your friends - not many people bring their favourite home-brews to the local store in order to screw around with a bunch of strangers. The same has basically held in HS since the open beta - if you want to play fun decks, you play against friends, or you go to a Fireside Gathering and find someone who wants to play their home-brews against yours.
It's pretty scummy, but you can't stop people playing what they want to play. Often these are people who have no faith in themselves to win consistently on ladder, and need to have some easy wins to feel good.
Lately I've been Renounce Warlock on Casual with my golden Renounce Darkness. It loses more than it wins, but it's satisfying to beat down people's Tier 1 netdecks with a bunch of random rubbish thrown together.
I'm going to put in a plug here for firebats deck doctor series. For a long time I was bummed about netdecks one after another, which my homebrews could not compete against. It turns out however, that I just wasn't that good at building decks. Sometimes I'd have just the right stuff, but often missing some crucial deck elements and most importantly didn't know what I was doing wrong. Now I understand much better how to build and play test decks with a lot of thanks going to the deck doctor series. Right now my top decks are big hunter and quest druid (not meta) and I have great success against all the priests and warlocks and other netdecks out there.
the only way to enjoy ths game for me now is try to make a deck that serves to make two or three combined quests like someone above said......deathrattle with minions with 2 mana cost or less and wins for a certain hero, i face tryharders all the time, its just sad they really feel they do something great wining a game between 100 or more they play eryday..........with a net deck...........in a game with a HuGe amount of RNG........wich rewards are crap...........and those people emote evrery bonemare and keleseth they play........hahahahaha WTF . then i get out play a 99% skill based game and wonder how the hell can people be so serius in HS! its a game to play 30 minutes every three days loling with tryhardes that spend hours and thats all the fun it can give to some of us...........
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Some people. Johnnies tend to do what you are describing. Spikes are the folks who are netdecking and they enjoy perfecting their use of a deck and proving themselves capable of overwhelming the odds and reaching higher ranks. After all, there's only so much RNG you can claim if you NEVER get up to the high ranks compared to others who get there every month.
And that's a big thing to remember: not everyone is interested in the same things. Not everyone wants to experiment. Not everyone wants to try new things. Some people honestly just want a deck that works and to run it. They ENJOY that type of game and will keep playing it. They aren't wrong or 'missing something' to play this way.
If there's an issue, it's not that people netdeck or spam the same deck over and over. It's that it's very hard to find otheres who find fun the way you do. Everyone sticking to certain MMRs or ranks helps (rank 15!!) but we really do need better community tools so that we can better organize ourselves.
There are only so many decks deckbuilders can come up with and have time to play-test to ensure they aren't complete and utter trash. Lots of people experiment but that doesn't mean they are going to make or have the time to make their creations public. In the eventuality that they do, then they usually post just the decklist with no stats or even short introduction to the deck, which sadly, even if they did, would get them minimal attention since the majority of the time the average player only looks to celebrity players for their lists.
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I just don't get why most people here consider meta decks "unfun" .
For me personally winning is fun in itself . I don't need to do crazy combos or play with wacky cards to feel good . I just enjoy making my 1 mana 10 10 jades, killing people with savage roar on turn 4 , out armoring raza priest damage by just malfurion hp every turn and so on .
Why can't people enjoy simple but effective mechanics ? Someone please answer as I am genuinely curious to see what other people think about the game .
You are the quintessential fanboy who Brode focusses on. The guy that is remodeled to crave for an easy winfix, don't mind how he wins as long as it is fast. The burger-boy who doesn't like quality slow food. The largest faction within the HS-community. Your kind is so numerous that it is the sole reason why the meta, is unbalanced, not diverse and aggressive. Thumbs up for Brode who successfully sells a lot of packs to the ********.
You must be a very intelligent person. Still you have fun with mindless, skilless archetypes. It puzzles me, it really does: how can an intelligent being have 'fun' playing mindlessness? That you feel fun in being dumb down and ********. I just can't understand that. Probably it goes beyond my intelligence. Don't come with: it is just a game. You are what you play as much as you are what you eat.
You know, card design by Brode and consort is in a certain sense a crime against humanity. How so? Well if you look at crimes against humanity what is paramount is taking away the (intellectual) dignity of the victims. Dehumanizing them. Making them objects, things that you use, can dispose of. Well Brode prints cards that results in skilless archetypes that gives you the rush of an easy winfix... and you will as a drug addict love him for that. That rush dehumanizes you as it clearly is below the abilities of your intelligence; as such below your dignity.
Dignity means that you as a human being can aspire in a accordance to your abilities in the fullest sense of the word. Willfully letting people take away that dignity makes you a subhuman. Only those who have no self-respect and self-worth will let that happen.
Of course crimes against humanity is punishable by international law. Being likewise dehumanized, taken away self-respect by Brode and consort is not. In the end it is all about ethics. It is your own choice, but you should really reconsider.
That brings me to a conclusion to my response to you mr. Robert_fanR. Why do you think Brode himself has so much fun? His silly faces, ridiculous laughs, raps, acting like a fool. He is celebrating the successful endeavor of dumbing you down, that you buy his packs, play his game, making you an easy winfix addict. And how do you think he looks upon you? Do you think he considers you with respect? How do you think we look upon people who willfully let themselves be dumbed down? With no respect sir. Brode looks at you with the greatest contempt while he's laughing his ass off as he successfully made you an addict to mindlessness, and notably let you buy his packs for that. What a succes! I leave you at that.
this is why they need to have a "report" feature in game. You should be able to report people playing tier 1 decks in casual mode, because they ruin the game for new players. I have absolutely no respect for people that go to casual to "farm gold". It's disgusting. Honestly, I lack cards to make any GREAT decks other than secret mage (which sadly is the best deck for casual players as it is the only deck in the meta that requires less than 6K dust), but I never ever go to casual mode. Sometimes I get a quest for "play 10 divine shield minions" so I make a shitty warlock deck with every divine shield and nothing but card draw, and see if I can play all 10 in 1 game lol. I play that in casual mode, but like you said, most people play the same tier 1 net-decking shit there. I'd literally consider it griefing. Some people on my friends' list do that sometimes and I make sure to spectate them and give them a hard time for it. I remember back in the day, in vanilla when i had no cards and I played casual mode, id rage so hard whenever I played a game and someone dropped Ragnaros, the Firelord and that was nothing compared to what these assholes do.
Either that or they should have a feature that bans any deck that costs more than 4k dust from being playable in casual.
this is why they need to have a "report" feature in game. You should be able to report people playing tier 1 decks in casual mode, because they ruin the game for new players.
Not even getting into 'what constitutes tier 1' (your 4k dust suggestion is laughable), can you kindly explain how said 'new player' has such a good MMR that they face these decks? When I play my F2P account with a budget mid hunter I get matched against morons who do Arcane Missiles to face on turn 1. Look at your MMR and your need to win frequently before you complain about casual.
Not sure if everyone posting here really plays wild, but in casual I see plenty of different decks along with meta decks. I myself probably play with 80-90% meme decks in wild casual to complete my quests.
This, Wild format is just so much better and actually more balanced than standard lul, good job blizzard
Sadly it's all down to marketing. Blizzard does not want to push the format and as a result Hearthpawn and other sites fall in line and kind of discard wild Content to the side. If you factor in the mania of people that have never played the format screaming that it's all secret paladin, Pirate warrior and giants, there are a lot of misconceptions about the format. On a final note if we factor in the cost of getting into wild with multiple decks ~ yeah it's pretty up there! :(
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I think Wild is the place to go for some creative decks. I think making new archetyps is the most fun aspect of the game. And in wild you have the cards to do so, like i did on my crazy minion thief prist :
I just don't get why most people here consider meta decks "unfun" .
For me personally winning is fun in itself . I don't need to do crazy combos or play with wacky cards to feel good . I just enjoy making my 1 mana 10 10 jades, killing people with savage roar on turn 4 , out armoring raza priest damage by just malfurion hp every turn and so on .
Why can't people enjoy simple but effective mechanics ? Someone please answer as I am genuinely curious to see what other people think about the game .
The mechanics are fun, but grinding them into the dirt as we've seen with jade druid dominating the meta for a short period of time and same with quest rogue and raza priest. All fun decks, but some of us want to go against the current of "win seeking" and find enjoyment in defeating an opponent with an original deck or even an old deck with a new card or two.
For you, winning is the game, for others, being the best, and still others: doing the most crazy Crap there is. I like a combination of winning and doing the stupidest Crap I can imagine and that usually requires a deck that everyone ISNT playing.
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We dont have enough good cards, nor enough win condions, to be creative. Creativity doesnt mean you put together 30 medicore cards and moaning that you cant win against top decks.
I gave up a year ago on trying to reach legend with cool decks. (by cool I mean fun, non OP & non aggro). At that time, I was mainly playing with reno mage, reno warlock, midrange pali and a sort of control war. I reached a good rank 2 but then was completely digusted by the proportion of ultra aggro decks (80%+ under rank 5, mainly pirates). I guess some players with more time, will or skills can do it in those conditions, but I couldn't.
With the ambition of reaching legend with cool decks gone, the way I try to have fun now is reaching rank 5 with cool & reasonably strong decks (it's currently for me control warlock, big mage which is too horrible against secret mage & a personal control pali), and then start with experimenting cool ideas.
Experimenting at 10-15 is surely a thing and reaching rank 5 is not very easy, but the cool thing with experimenting at low ranks is it allows you to improve your creations, even though it can be very frustrating because indeed, noone is experimenting at rank 5...
theres no point in experimenting. you can watch people like thijs, one of the worlds best players, playing unconventional decks and he is stuck at ranks 3-5
Unless you have other plans than legend (like fun)
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
It's pretty scummy, but you can't stop people playing what they want to play. Often these are people who have no faith in themselves to win consistently on ladder, and need to have some easy wins to feel good.
Lately I've been Renounce Warlock on Casual with my golden Renounce Darkness. It loses more than it wins, but it's satisfying to beat down people's Tier 1 netdecks with a bunch of random rubbish thrown together.
I'm going to put in a plug here for firebats deck doctor series. For a long time I was bummed about netdecks one after another, which my homebrews could not compete against. It turns out however, that I just wasn't that good at building decks. Sometimes I'd have just the right stuff, but often missing some crucial deck elements and most importantly didn't know what I was doing wrong. Now I understand much better how to build and play test decks with a lot of thanks going to the deck doctor series. Right now my top decks are big hunter and quest druid (not meta) and I have great success against all the priests and warlocks and other netdecks out there.
If you can provide me the resources to be creative (i.e, all the legendary and epic cards). I'm happy to do the deck "research" for ya.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
There are only so many decks deckbuilders can come up with and have time to play-test to ensure they aren't complete and utter trash. Lots of people experiment but that doesn't mean they are going to make or have the time to make their creations public. In the eventuality that they do, then they usually post just the decklist with no stats or even short introduction to the deck, which sadly, even if they did, would get them minimal attention since the majority of the time the average player only looks to celebrity players for their lists.
this is why they need to have a "report" feature in game. You should be able to report people playing tier 1 decks in casual mode, because they ruin the game for new players. I have absolutely no respect for people that go to casual to "farm gold". It's disgusting. Honestly, I lack cards to make any GREAT decks other than secret mage (which sadly is the best deck for casual players as it is the only deck in the meta that requires less than 6K dust), but I never ever go to casual mode. Sometimes I get a quest for "play 10 divine shield minions" so I make a shitty warlock deck with every divine shield and nothing but card draw, and see if I can play all 10 in 1 game lol. I play that in casual mode, but like you said, most people play the same tier 1 net-decking shit there. I'd literally consider it griefing. Some people on my friends' list do that sometimes and I make sure to spectate them and give them a hard time for it. I remember back in the day, in vanilla when i had no cards and I played casual mode, id rage so hard whenever I played a game and someone dropped Ragnaros, the Firelord and that was nothing compared to what these assholes do.
Either that or they should have a feature that bans any deck that costs more than 4k dust from being playable in casual.
Not even getting into 'what constitutes tier 1' (your 4k dust suggestion is laughable), can you kindly explain how said 'new player' has such a good MMR that they face these decks? When I play my F2P account with a budget mid hunter I get matched against morons who do Arcane Missiles to face on turn 1. Look at your MMR and your need to win frequently before you complain about casual.
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Sadly it's all down to marketing. Blizzard does not want to push the format and as a result Hearthpawn and other sites fall in line and kind of discard wild Content to the side. If you factor in the mania of people that have never played the format screaming that it's all secret paladin, Pirate warrior and giants, there are a lot of misconceptions about the format. On a final note if we factor in the cost of getting into wild with multiple decks ~ yeah it's pretty up there! :(