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Quote from Tarnoduds >>

You are mistaken... What people puts as easy and self-piloting decks are face decks, the ones you can put a bot to farm all day long.

Aggro in itself is actually easier to play than control, given, but it requires the feeling of when is the right time to trade and when you should go face.

Pirate Warrior, Face Shaman, Face Hunter... Those decks require very little of this feeling, since 95% of the time it is correct to ignore your opponent's board as you want to burst'em down no matter what. Those decks generates races, where no one is having fun (I, at least, hate that feeling of "despair" when trying to survive or to finish the other guy), and that's that.

I don't think I ever heard about bots playing Zoo, for instance, and you  most likely have never heard people complaining about this deck or the ones playing it.

aggro/tempo/midrange decks limit plays and play time, by ending the game fast which in turn mean less skill because there are less decisions in less turns. but also AGGRO decks do take skill, and meta game knowledge as you can get shut out by 1 oversight. midrange/tempo decks on the other hand you just curve out and BrokeBack

Can we agree that fewer decisions = easier (strictly in the context of competitive Hearthstone, I'm not saying solving a single problem of third level calculus is easier than adding 1+1 fifty times....)?

Can we agree that the first stage of a dungeon run is easier than any later stage?  

This is at least a point of quantifiable data.  

A control player is playing against what they see. Their enemy is their draws and their ally is time. 

An aggro player is playing around what they don't see. They don't have the luxury of time, and their window is ever closing. 

Experience benefits both, but I'd argue that the hard decisions an aggro player faces, although rarer, are far more difficult than the hard decisions control decks face. They get one chance, and if they choose wrong the window closes and they lose. 

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 The average face deck is actually WAY harder to play well than the average low curve midrange deck(ie zoo, midrange hunter, murloc pally, etc), mostly because when you do make a mistake as a face deck, you get punished way harder.

Sadly, right now there really aren't any hard decks to play in the game, on ANY archetype. People just like to pretend whatever they play is hard because it feeds their e-penis to do so.

 

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Quote from Tarnoduds >>

You are mistaken... What people puts as easy and self-piloting decks are face decks, the ones you can put a bot to farm all day long.

Aggro in itself is actually easier to play than control, given, but it requires the feeling of when is the right time to trade and when you should go face.

Pirate Warrior, Face Shaman, Face Hunter... Those decks require very little of this feeling, since 95% of the time it is correct to ignore your opponent's board as you want to burst'em down no matter what. Those decks generates races, where no one is having fun (I, at least, hate that feeling of "despair" when trying to survive or to finish the other guy), and that's that.

I don't think I ever heard about bots playing Zoo, for instance, and you  most likely have never heard people complaining about this deck or the ones playing it.

 The average face deck is actually WAY harder to play well than the average low curve midrange deck(ie zoo, midrange hunter, murloc pally, etc), mostly because when you do make a mistake as a face deck, you get punished way harder.

Sadly, right now there really aren't any hard decks to play in the game, on ANY archetype. People just like to pretend whatever they play is hard because it feeds their e-penis to do so.

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Quote from Tarnoduds >>

You are mistaken... What people puts as easy and self-piloting decks are face decks, the ones you can put a bot to farm all day long.

Aggro in itself is actually easier to play than control, given, but it requires the feeling of when is the right time to trade and when you should go face.

Pirate Warrior, Face Shaman, Face Hunter... Those decks require very little of this feeling, since 95% of the time it is correct to ignore your opponent's board as you want to burst'em down no matter what. Those decks generates races, where no one is having fun (I, at least, hate that feeling of "despair" when trying to survive or to finish the other guy), and that's that.

I don't think I ever heard about bots playing Zoo, for instance, and you  most likely have never heard people complaining about this deck or the ones playing it.

 The average face deck is actually WAY harder to play well than the average low curve midrange deck(ie zoo, midrange hunter, murloc pally, etc), mostly because when you do make a mistake as a face deck, you get punished way harder.

Sadly, right now there really aren't any hard decks to play in the game, on ANY archetype. People just like to pretend whatever they play is hard because it feeds their e-penis to do so.

 Hmm, I'm going to have to disagree with you on there being a lack of difficult decks in the game. Razakus Priest is not an easy deck at all to play. It might have a really simple win condition (Raza 5, Anduin 8, Velen + Mind Blast 9) but getting to that point isn't cut and dry. Being a singleton deck means it really needs to manage its removal against aggressive decks, especially with the addition of Corridor Creeper, and against certain late game decks (namely Big/Jade Druid) dealing with armor isn't too much better.

As for the actual topic of the thread, it's just viewed as scummy or whatever because it's typically the bane of any unrefined or meme deck that people try to play, not because of their actual power level, unless you want to talk about decks that are currently no longer in standard (cough Huntertaker cough)

Because the games are fast and you  can steamroll lower power level control decks and counters while still being shit.
Aggro decks take skill to master but on ladder grind they take the fun out of it and are easy climb without thinking, because you'll eventually progress with a tier 1 aggro deck but maybe not with a control deck if you waste answers.
So, lower entry level skill 

Despite me being a midrange fan, midrange and tempo are probably the easiest to play because you go 1 2 3 4 or just shit out your hand

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People are allowed to complain about whatever they want. So, you can just go do something else.

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Any thoughts?

 I think the people you are talking about are more stubborn then superior.
And if they truly were as smart as they think they are they would spend less time whining about it as then they would understand the whining could be spend better doing pretty much anything else.

 

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A control player is playing against what they see. Their enemy is their draws and their ally is time. 

An aggro player is playing around what they don't see. They don't have the luxury of time, and their window is ever closing. 

Experience benefits both, but I'd argue that the hard decisions an aggro player faces, although rarer, are far more difficult than the hard decisions control decks face. They get one chance, and if they choose wrong the window closes and they lose. 

I will say overall Blizzard has really dumbed down the game. As others have said, decks like Patron Warrior, Handlock and old school Freeze Mage took SERIOUS skill to maximize (the difference, of course, being that Patron had a floor of still being very good while Freeze and Handlock had a floor of being useless.) Or decks like Echo Mage and even the various Golden Monkey decks.

Plus, those decks could hard punish agro decks by outplaying them.

These days, there just aren't really decks that hard punish agro nor decks that highly reward skilled play.

95% of my games I feel like I would have won or lost just based on my deck and draw vs. opponent's deck and draw.

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Quote from CriticalBastard >>

A control player is playing against what they see. Their enemy is their draws and their ally is time. 

An aggro player is playing around what they don't see. They don't have the luxury of time, and their window is ever closing. 

Experience benefits both, but I'd argue that the hard decisions an aggro player faces, although rarer, are far more difficult than the hard decisions control decks face. They get one chance, and if they choose wrong the window closes and they lose. 

 As someone who doesn't really play aggro, can you please describe an example or two of the hard decisions (which are "far more difficult than the hard decisions control decks face") that an aggro deck has to make? 

Control players don't realize how important pushing face is as a more aggressive style deck, I've often won to like 2 or 3 damage windows that I wouldn't have had next turn. Not to mention, you have to think about all the removal they could have and weigh the pros and cons.
Honestly, I find aggro harder to play personally. I do more thinking when I do, because I play heavy duty control decks like wild shaman and handlock, that run a lot of removal

Tho control warrior fucks me up, still, it's like seriously hard to figure out (Look at Trump's early videos of dead man's hand, control warriors, and despair!)

I remember losing on turn 4 to pirate warrior back when it was at its peak before Small time buccaneer got nerfed. Getting smorced down by turn 4 IS NOT FUN! It's just not a fun experience to feel like you did not even get a chance to play the game. 

I don't mind aggro except when its braindead aggro which is basically just go face and not trading unless the opponent plays a taunt and try to kill your opponent by turn 5. And at Pirate warrior's peak, the deck was so strong some players actually played like that.

Anyone who says aggro requires no skill is someone with a very narrow range of experience.

I guess it's easy to mistake "a different set of skills" for "lack of skill" when you don't even know what you're looking for. I suppose a control-only player, who thinks he understands everything about the game but really only understands how to play control well, might look at a skilled aggro player and have no idea decisions are being made at all. In reality, it's just a completely different set of decisions.

It's kind of like the new player who always chalks up his losses to bad luck. In fact, he had many opportunities to win those games, but he just didn't understand the game well enough to see his own mistakes.

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Anyone who says aggro requires no skill is someone with a very narrow range of experience.

I guess it's easy to mistake "a different set of skills" for "lack of skill" when you don't even know what you're looking for. I suppose a control-only player, who thinks he understands everything about the game but really only understands how to play control well, might look at a skilled aggro player and have no idea decisions are being made at all. In reality, it's just a completely different set of decisions.

It's kind of like the new player who always chalks up his losses to bad luck. In fact, he had many opportunities to win those games, but he just didn't understand the game well enough to see his own mistakes.

Anyone who says mid-range and aggro aren't as easy as control is just lying to themselves.  Any time I do quests with classes like warrior or hunter that I don't particularly like to play I just sit there tapping my desk waiting for my opponent to move because I already know what I'm gonna do and very few plays change that decision.  Even secret mage can be a little braindead at times depending on your draws.  On the flip side when I play any of the controlish type decks I like I'm much more engaged with the game.  This isn't to say people play aggro because they're dumb, it's probably a lack of patience mixed with a need to just win a lot in a short period of time.  On the flip side playing control doesn't mean you're smarter.  None of this changes the fact that aggro and mid-range type decks are incredibly linear by nature and therefore easier to play.